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If Humans have no free will then why are humans not all worshipping the same God

For this deabte we assume the Christain God and Religion is true and that God controls all our actions.

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The people who believe humans have no free will, are not reading the bible propertely or they're just making stuff up ?

It's actually the first thing you read in the bible.

God created man and woman, he made them their home called Eden, where they could eat from every tree they liked to, except the one tree, that if they ate from it, they would be able to chose from right and wrong ?

I want to notify that english isn't my main language, I am from norway, so I don't really know how to tell the story in english. But whatever.

Adam and Eve they ate from the tree, and that's when they were able to chose between right and wrong, that was the first time someone ever sinned.

since God is 'allergic' to sin, they couldn't be with him anymore.

So they needed to sacrifice stuff to clean their soul from sin - like sheep and stuff.

But then God found a solution. He sent his own son to take all the sin ever made and all the sins yet to make away. It had to be a person who had never sinned before, and that is impossible for humans, because Adam and Eve's children were caught in Adam and Eve's sins too.

So Jesus died on the cross, and so Satan was defeated.

But we still have our free wills. We get to chose where we wanna be.

I personally don't believe in Hell .. but most christians do, so they believe that all the people who haven't thanked Jesus ... well .. they can go to hell

Humblejoe(18) Clarified
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God gave man free will but any fool should see that free will is not Gods will,He gives us a choice but we all go our own way and it doesnt work ,so hopefully you will see doing his will is the only way to serve and become holy that we might recieve mercy and obtain eternal life.

Who said that humans has no free will? I am pretty sure that most, if not all, relgions believe in the induvidals own responibility to choose right or wrong.

Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
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Also ask lolzors he seems to think we have no freewill and yes he is a Christian.

Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
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did you read the little description?

wardogninja(1789) Clarified
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Sorry, i misread the debate question, i was under the impression that this was a debate assaulting other religions.

That being said, i still stand by my earlier statment that the bible does say there is free will. There are a lot of examples of free will in the bible. For example, Adam and Eve come to mind, especially when they disobeyed God's direct orders not the eat the forbidden fruit.

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Read Romans 9.... ;)

Actually, I'll post it directly from Bible Gateway:

Romans 9

English Standard Version (ESV)

God's Sovereign Choice

9 I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9 For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,

“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’

and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”

26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’

there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel[c] be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, 28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” 29 And as Isaiah predicted,

“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,

we would have been like Sodom

and become like Gomorrah.”

Israel's Unbelief

30 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness[d] did not succeed in reaching that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 as it is written,

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;

and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

If we are all controlled by God, then it's obvious that it was his intention for not all of us to worship him.

Having an absence of free will in relation to a being of incomprehensible power and intelligence means that proof is not obtainable to support nor deny his control of us. He is, after all, incomprehensibly powerful. Therefore, we cannot comprehend his decisions; but this doesn't mean he did not make said decisions (i.e., choosing for others to not worship him).

Though, I'm not a Christian myself; it is in fact a fallacious way of attempting to think logically. Though, it is logical if you are the sort of person to abandon all search for answers and instead just prefer to assume things.

Humblejoe(18) Clarified
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Why obsess over it you despise I never been on a debate site and i speak with conviction eternal life or no huh peoplethat have respect and self control helps a lot of your you think your savvy strong minded can you be by yourself and remain true to your own sanity

Humblejoe(18) Clarified
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Why obsess over it you despise I never been on a debate site and i speak with conviction eternal life or no huh peoplethat have respect and self control helps a lot of your you think your savvy strong minded can you be by yourself and remain true to your own sanity you have to be burdned to really follow it easy on the net to say piss off carnality in bad things like your gonna find Gods salvation somehow but on your terms and die like fool trusting in your own breath in your nostrils

No one asks to be born, therefore, there is no such thing as free will.