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Yes, it is stealing. No, it's not stealing.
Debate Score:11
Arguments:10
Total Votes:11
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 Yes, it is stealing. (5)
 
 No, it's not stealing. (4)

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Is downloading a song stealing?

This is NOT a morality debate. The question is NOT "Is downloading songs ethical?" or "Is downloading songs a bad thing to do?" We can operate under the assumption it's a lousy thing to do. Fine. Not the point here.  This is NOT really intended to be much of a legal argument, either. The question is not "Is it against current laws to download songs?" or "Do laws say it is stealing to download songs?" It's a simple question of definition. By definition of what it means to steal something, does the action of downloading an illegal copy of a song fall under the definition of stealing?

Yes, it is stealing.

Side Score: 5
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No, it's not stealing.

Side Score: 6
1 point

To play devil's advocate:

You're stealing the artist's intellectual property.

Side: Yes, it is stealing.
1 point

It is stealing, if you do not have permission to download it. Although on a video I watched recently (I think it is called Shift Happens) it says that (I'm not 100% sure) over 10000 songs are downloaded ILLEGALLY every second.

Side: Yes, it is stealing.

It is theft. If someone does not pay the fee to download an artist's music, it is wrong.

Side: Yes, it is stealing.
3 points

Downloading a song is not stealing, it's copyright infringement.

Side: No, it's not stealing.

Is reorganizing toy blocks into a pattern stealing? Especially if you own those toy blocks?

Side: No, it's not stealing.
Apollo(1590) Disputed
1 point

That argument falls apart when applied to forms of 'stealing' like intellectual property theft.

Side: Yes, it is stealing.
1 point

It all depends on the user's intent. Back when vinyl records and CDs were the only source of portable music, the government made it illegal to distribute copied music. However, it was perfectly legal to make your own copies of music as long as they were for your personal use only. Now, debates rage over whether sites such as listentoyoutube.com that convert music from online sites to MP3 are legal. Currently, however, the general consensus is that as long as you use the music for personal use only, it is legal.

Side: No, it's not stealing.
pancake(143) Clarified
1 point

I can download as many song torrents as I want, as long as they're only for my personal listening? I don't think that's quite right.

Side: Yes, it is stealing.
ledgy(21) Disputed
1 point

No, it is true. However, there are current debates to whether the old laws still apply to the digital music industry. When the laws were first established, it was legal to pirate music for your own personal use because it was so hard that the government found it unnecessary to make it illegal. According to DMCA, Digital Millennium Copyright Act, it is illegal to DISTRIBUTE, SALE, MANUFACTURE copyrighted material. It does not state that having copyright material in your possession is illegal. People who use sites like Limewire, download music, movies, etc... The giver has now broken the law by sharing this materials with you. The reason you end up getting caught is because LIMEWIRE has a feature that enables your system to automatically share anything that have downloaded. This is where you break the law. Now you are a DISTRIBUTOR of copyrighted materials.

Side: Yes, it is stealing.
1 point

If they download it with permission then no but even if it is not allowed who's gonna snitch.

Side: No, it's not stealing.