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Political test

This is the world's smallest political test. Do it and share your result if you want. Did you find it accurate?


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2 points

Libertarians support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

Yeah sounds pretty accurate.

Jace(4706) Clarified
2 points

The thing which confuses me about the libertarian perspective it that it seems to ignore the potential conflict between the free market and individual liberty, or at the very least to so minimize the government as to make it an ineffectual intermediary between the two (sometimes) competing ends.

Not expecting any response; mostly just thinking out loud.

1 point

First thing you and I have agreed on in a long time.

nobodyknows(745) Disputed
1 point

I am not sure what you mean. A natural rights libertarian ideology would place respect for individual liberties above all else. A free market would be subject to those rights. Therefore externalities would need to be compensated and minimal public goods provided. A decent argument for this is provided by Robert Nozick in Anarchy, State, and Utopia. However, if you are simply acknowledging the tendency of actual libertarians to reject all forms of correcting market failures, including externalities, I would have to agree that they have not thought it all through very well.

instig8or(3307) Disputed
1 point

I almost puke... Too right wing for me...

2 points

Centrist prefer a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice. Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind, tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.

I was slightly left-leaning too, which is accurate. I'm amazed at how much more accurate this is than the political compass bullshit which keeps telling me that i'm a right-wing libertarian which is simply not the case.

GoneFishing(126) Clarified
1 point

I took the quiz out of curiosity (since i dont claim a political stance) and it said im a centrist; figures.

2 points

Conservatives tend to favor economic freedom, but frequently support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional values." They oppose excessive government control of business, while endorsing government action to defend morality and the traditional family structure. Conservatives usually support a strong military, oppose bureaucracy and high taxes, favor a free-market economy, and endorse strong law enforcement.

Seems accurate.

Jace(4706) Clarified
1 point

Why do you think it is the role of the government to impose your moral values onto others?

Why is it valid to regulate individual morality but not private corporate morality?

How do you fund a strong military and law enforcement without high taxes?

31337(560) Clarified
1 point

I don't think that.

How is it not valid?

With the implementation of taxes that aren't considered as high.

2 points

I think the aim of the test is that is it quite small and gets right to the point but this has some issues that need to be recognized. Any nuances in a position that a person may hold will be glossed over and the results will lump people together despite them having varying degrees of agreement.

The test put me in the correct quadrant but what use is that? I already knew where I would be generally put. I prefer this test if someone wants to know more of the details.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

instig8or(3307) Disputed
1 point

I loathe that test, it's extremely inaccurate.

It forces me to pick one of four equally stupid answers VERY often. If the answer I agree with is one of the four options it is always linked to a wing or ideology at random with no real link to it.

Like what exactly is 'our race is superior'? which race? dumbest test ever.

J-Roc77(70) Disputed
2 points

It forces me to pick one of four equally stupid answers VERY often.

Your response seems to be more addressing how people make polls, this test s not the only one to do this. Ever consider that it is designed that way? They are purposefully slanted or vague to elicit certain responses. Anyone who has had to help design polls has ran into this before and probably recognizes the purposeful wording right off the bat. The FAQ addresses why many of the questions are written the way they are if you want to hear this from them.

And as for its accuracy, look below this post at my other post to see the comparison I added, the tests seem to coincide with me when I take them both. I see you said above that it gets you wrong. Of course I would need a larger sample size to say it is accurate or not, I mean it would be foolish to think that one data point is a great representation of this political compasses accuracy. What data did you use to come to your conclusion about accuracy?

Overall I have not heard of people thinking the other test is inaccurate but I do often hear that the questions are slanted etc.

1 point

And just for comparison...

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/images/graphImages/90_30.png

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-8.75&soc;=-6.77

I am surprised at how close these are to each other. In fact these two are basically the same with me.

I would be interested to see other people comparisons of the two tests and see if there is a difference for them.

instig8or(3307) Clarified
2 points

You should remove the semicolon after 'soc' in your link or it will stay broken.

1 point

The semicolon persists even after I take it out in an edit. This post was a repeat with the links but the semicolon still appears even after I made sure it wasn't there. So I guess I will just have to leave well enough alone.

And just for comparison...

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/images/graphImages/90_30.png

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-8.75&soc;=-6.77

I am surprised at how close these are to each other. In fact these two are basically the same with me.

I would be interested to see other people comparisons of the two tests and see if there is a difference for them.

Iulmi(251) Clarified
1 point

It got more or less similar results between the two, but I didn't like how the test was made. It has a lot of subjective questions. Some of them are indeed related to certain ideologies, but they're still personal opinions. Astrology? Abstract art? I don't understand why those are there. I don't recommend it.

instig8or(3307) Disputed
1 point

Just to make you happy I took it and it says I'm a Libertarian-leaning centrist but I'm actually a left-leaning statist-leaning centrist which the other test was correct about: https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=0.0&soc;=-2.1

2 points

The test places me in the libertarian camp. However, since there are a huge variety of sects within libertarianism I would like to further qualify my current albeit unsure position. I am first and foremost an economist. I find myself in the most agreement with the writings of John Staurt Mill, F.A. Hayek, and Milton Friedman. These are utilitarian pro-market (not necessarily free market) economists. I like most of what comes out of the University of Chicago. More recent writers I admire: Alvin E Roth, Richard Thaler, and Cass Sunstein.

Jace(4706) Clarified
1 point

May I ask what exactly appeals to you about utilitarianism?

Also, how would you describe the difference between being pro-market and supporting a free market? And how would a pro-market stance be differentiated from more stereotypically liberal economic views which cannot be said to be anti-market?

1 point

Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

I also did find it accurate. I knew I tend to the left ideology and also a bit to the libertarian one.

Nobody statist here? Such a shame. xD

Supporting Evidence: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/images/ graphImages/80_40.png (www.theadvocates.org)
instig8or(3307) Disputed
1 point

I leaned more to statism than libertarianism. http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/images/ graphImages/60_30.png

Iulmi(251) Disputed
1 point

Well, but you got centrist. What is it? Wanna fight about that fact?

Jace(4706) Clarified
1 point

Economic regulation ultimately affects the freedoms of individuals to act within the private sector. Why are such private, economic rights subject to restriction more than their other counterparts?

Iulmi(251) Clarified
1 point

You said it, ultimately. It's because extreme economic freedom does more wrong than right in a lot of issues, and affects negatively a lot of people, while favoring some others. I see some problems on a free market, and sure it's definition says that a true free market would be without corruption, but I can't think how would that be accomplished.

However, personal liberties do not affect others (unless you are talking about beliefs and those things), so, that's the reason.

I want economic regulation, but however, they are a lot of different kinds of regulations that can be done. It can mean many things.

I am not a communist, by any means. But I am not a libertarian, undoubtedly.

Hhahahahahahah! This is what I got: Statist ( Big Government )........

1 point

Conservatives tend to favor economic freedom, but frequently support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional values." They oppose excessive government control of business, while endorsing government action to defend morality and the traditional family structure. Conservatives usually support a strong military, oppose bureaucracy and high taxes, favor a free-market economy, and endorse strong law enforcement.

I got a 70% on economics, 20% on personal

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Liberal, who would have guessed ?