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Individual Problem Societal Problem
Debate Score:66
Arguments:56
Total Votes:69
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 Individual Problem (33)
 
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What is drug addiction?

What is at the core problem?

If indivdiual, why should we care?

If societial, who is to blame, dealers or addicts?

Individual Problem

Side Score: 37
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Societal Problem

Side Score: 29

"I'm in favor of legalizing drugs. According to my values system, if people want to kill themselves, they have every right to do so. Most of the harm that comes from drugs is because they are illegal." --Milton Friedman, the Legend

Drug addiction is purely a individual problem because nobody forces anyone to do drugs. Plus, in a free market, when two parties voluntary exchange goods or services, both parties benefit individually because the user gets his fix while the dealer gets his money. That is what a transaction of voluntary exchange entails.

The government feels the need to intervene because they perceive it as a societal problem where the government actually makes it worse.

Government intervention leads to black markets, and the black market becomes more valuable as opposed if it was legal.

Side: Individual Problem
brycer2012(1002) Disputed
2 points

You completely ignored the family of the person. They didn't choose to use drugs, and yet they have to deal with the consequences.

When the people drug there bodies so much that they can't work, the society has pick up the tab for food stamps for their children, disability checks, medicaid, etc.

Side: Societal Problem
1 point

So, let them rot. They choose that path. If anything, only the family should have to pick up the tab. Look at Lindsey Lohan! She is to stupid to realize that the government is trying to protect of HER OWN DECISIONS, so I say, the government should get out of the babysitting business and allow free will.

On a side note, the government let thousands of returning Vietnam vets rot in the streets after the war and they were good people, so the government has no problem with letting their own people rot.

Side: Individual Problem
Kinda(1649) Disputed
0 points

Most of the harm that comes from drugs is because they are illegal

Obviously large pharmaceutical companies bringing drugs to the masses will make things better.

Side: Societal Problem
1 point

If freedom and personal responsibility are valued, then we should consider the consequences of individual choices as individual problems. Trying to keep people away from drugs only makes it easier for those who don't respect the law to profit from the situation. It creates a fertile ground for black markets, forces us to spend taxpayer money to enforce the law, and keeps us from collecting taxes on the sell of drugs.

So, it's an individual problem, and society's attempt to deal with it is foolish.

Side: Individual Problem
1 point

A major problem with the Socialist, Authoritarian view on society is that individualism is practically dead. The Elitist Liberals think that we are not capable of making decisions for ourselves and that they know what's best for us.

A problem with the Conservative, Theocratic view is that because certain things can lead to immoral behavior they must be stopped. "Think about the children", they say.

Individualism is one of the most important qualities of human beings. Without it, we die with nothing but what the government told us to do. We're supposed to explore the realms of our two worlds (psychological and physical). Really, it's all we have. By living an ordered life where all indecent and "harmful" ways of life are banned, we die miserable and the same.

In today's society, a main problem with legalizing drugs is that socialist government will force the burden of junkies unto the rest of us who are either clean or use substance in moderation. For the individual's sake, socialism must stop progressing.

Side: Individual Problem
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

... you realize that legalizing drugs is a far left issue I hope...

Side: Societal Problem
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
1 point

In most cases, you'd be right. But the socialist mentality of Liberals leads to drug addiction being everyone's problem and not just the individual's. These are the same people who want junk food and tobacco banned. it goes to show that the Liberals of America aren't Liberal where it counts.

Side: Individual Problem
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

I'm not going to bother arguing but I'll repost this because it's just as relevant

Take it as you want. I know because you're a retarded demented fag that you'll argue for individualism and libertarianism NO MATTER WHAT, even if your future self who has managed to survive the conditions of a libertarianised america comes back in time to warn you of the consequences.

Individualism is one of the most important qualities of human beings. Without it, we die with nothing but what the government told us to do.

I also just wanted to highlight this for future references. I can't believe people actually believe in this shit.

Side: Societal Problem
1 point

Personally, I think everyone should take responsibility for everything in their own lives.

I vote individual. ;)

Side: Individual Problem
1 point

The categories are flawed.

Drugs being illegal makes it a society problem.

If they were legal though, it would be an individual problem.

I believe they should be legal, so I'm on this side.

However, after legalized, centers should be available for those who do want to quit - society should provide this. And this would be infinately less violent, and far far cheaper than all the time and money we put into making them illegal.

Side: Individual Problem
1 point

The categories are hardly flawed; it is drug addiction.

Not whether drugs are illegal or not. Different debate.

Side: Societal Problem
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

... then as long as they are illegal, addiction to it is a social problem, because society says it is a problem.

You cannot say "hey, you're not allowed to do that" than when they do say "hey, that's not my problem"

It's conflicting.

You can only say, "hey, that's not my problem" if you weren't making it your problem to begin with by doing things like not making it illegal, not paying for jails for people who take drugs, not paying cops to arrest people on drugs, etc.

By having a "war on drugs" society is making all things drugs their problem including addiction. That's not an opinion, just the fact of the matter if stated reply is the rule of this debate.

I would love for it to be an individual problem

Side: Societal Problem
1 point

I think that everyone has a right to make their own choices and if that means buying drugs that are going to slowly/instantly kill you, then so be it. Society might be the suppler, but it is the individual who choices take the drug. Everyone knows what the risk are with abusing drugs, but that is clearly not stopping them. If you believe it is the society who is to be blamed, the only thing they should be blamed for is being amazing salesmen. They are doing their job right. And the buyers/addicts are doing their job by keeping them in business.

Side: Individual Problem
3 points

It's a societal problem because it doesn't only hurt the user. It hurts their families and others

People not only die from O.D.ing, but during the deal.

But most of all it hurts the taxpayer. We pay for our police to get these people. We pay our border patrol to keep these people out and we fund rehab facilities to fix these people. Yes using drugs is their choice, but it affects others.

Side: Societal Problem
3 points

Realize this that more people die during the deal because of drug cartels and government killings.

Imagine the money saved if we didn't pay police, border patrol and rehab facilitates if it was a legal market. Just like the adult beverage industry.

Side: Individual Problem
trumpeter93(998) Disputed
1 point

We can't cut back on those services because they protect us. I assume you mean saving money by not training them how to deal with those situations. We need police and border patrol. There are also people in rehab facilities because of alcohol addiction.

Side: Societal Problem
1 point

It's both.

It's an individual's problem that leads to problems in society. 99% of people on this website would have no idea about the impact of drugs and the problems it causes. Legalising it may rid us of gang bangers and drug cartels but the rest of the problems would be brought home on a national level.

Then these idiot liberatarians will be crying for government intervention when a crackhead takes off with all their possessions or kills them for £20 or when a family member becomes a drug abuser. It was all good moaning about government intervention safely locked away in their basements on the internet, but when the shit gets real... WHERES THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT?? WAHHHHH!!!

kmt....

Side: Societal Problem
1 point

99% of people on this website would have no idea about the impact of drugs and the problems it causes.

So, you know actually the impact of drugs.

Because when it is illegal, 10000 people are killed due to drug wars and government killings whereas actual drug use kills many less.

when a crackhead takes off with all their possessions or kills them for £20 or when a family member becomes a drug abuser

Wrong, that is why my right to own a gun is vital.

I would have no sympathy for drug abusers even if family member. That was a choice that s/he made. I would help them with giving options.

Plus, why would they be after your possessions if the drugs are easily attained at a retail store at cheaper prices than now.

Side: Individual Problem
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

So, you know actually the impact of drugs.

A lot better than most here who get all their information from professors sitting in universities.

Because when it is illegal, 10000 people are killed due to drug wars and government killings whereas actual drug use kills many less.

Because it's illegal. Like I said maybe the gangbanging might stop, but the use of drugs will exponentially expand and will exponentially cause deaths.

Wrong, that is why my right to own a gun is vital.

Lol you're only upping the stakes.

If they know you're going to be armed (or that you're more than likely to be armed) they'll come with measures to overcome the situation, in this case arming themselves. Who you think's going to win you or him? Lol the answer is obvious.

I would have no sympathy for drug abusers even if family member.

Did they rape you multiple times when you were young or something?

Plus, why would they be after your possessions if the drugs are easily attained at a retail store at cheaper prices than now.

Lol. You really think the prices won't be jacked up?? Forreal?

Side: Societal Problem
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
1 point

Portugal legalized all narcotics. Actual usage has gone down... while correlation does not prove causation, there is absolutely NO evidence to suggest that legalizing drugs may cause usage to go up. Even so, it's the individual's choice, not ours. For more on what happens when you legalize drugs, watch this:

Legalize drugs; stop crime and usage
Side: Individual Problem
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

A) Portugal has only legalised narcotics for personal use, not the whole drug industry itself (which is what you're ACTUALLY SUGGESTING)

B) The video also shows that in Britain 90% of narcotic offenses lead to warnings or cautions, with only 1% leading to prison. So legalising drugs wouldn't really change much.

C) You're still missing the bigger picture. Completely legalising the drug industry, having pharmaceutical companies sell drugs with no government inteference (I cannot put more emphasis on the following sentence) WOULD ONLY LEAD TO MORE PROBLEMS.

Take it as you want. I know because you're a retarded demented fag that you'll argue for individualism and libertarianism NO MATTER WHAT, even if your future self who has managed to survive the conditions of a libertarianised america comes back in time to warn you of the consequences.

Side: Societal Problem

Exactly the point. Crime will go down, usage will go down and prices will go down.

Side: Individual Problem