How predictable your answer is, roc. Rape covers 2% of all pregnancies. Yes, you anti-Christs all say that if a woman is pleased to be pregnant, it's called a baby. If she is not pleased to be pregnant, you conveniently refer to it as a blob of tissue. How ironic.
"It's nice that everyone in the media grants that Princess Kate is carrying a baby, not a piece of tissue." ~John Stonestreet of http://www.breakpoint.org/bp-home
Nope, they need to realistically face the consequences of their choice. Once a baby is conceived, there is one choice and that is to carry that baby.
Um, hello, the atrocities committed during the Crusades were not committed by true believers in Jesus. How is that so difficult for folks to comprehend? If you need a history lesson on this, I will be glad to oblige. It is better for an evil abortionist to die than it is for him to kill thousands of innocent babies, just like it would have been better for Hitler to die than for him to keep killing Jews, Christians and others. Wow, I'm shaking my head in disbelief over your lack of logic.
That's a preposterous statement, roc. Mark was disrespectful, plain and simple.
If women are willing to seek illegal abortions, then they must also be willing to face the possible consequences.
"It is a poverty that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." ~Mother Teresa
Big government is a very baddd thing! If you don't know that, you are the nutter, roc!
God defines murder. Gha! For a fetus to be killed by a doctor does not follow God being the one who gives and the one who takes away! Gha!
My belief in Jesus necessarily drives everything I do. I cannot compartmentalize my life.
Once upon a time, a girl was mature when she started menstruating, and she was expected to marry soon afterwards. There was a community of support behind her, women who would encourage and take care of her throughout her pregnancy. The same older, wiser women were there to guide her through childbirth, and to teach her how to care for her newborn child. They were there to teach her how to keep a home for her husband and children, how to nurture and raise her children. Pathetically, in our sophisticated modern world, young people are raised as entitled individuals who are lazy, selfish, immature, undisciplined, irresponsible, rebellious against and disrespectful to those adults that are there to instruct them in the way they should go.
To engage in sexual activity is a personal choice, a choice that has natural consequences. Before one chooses to engage in such activity, one must engage one's brain to think whether what they are considering is loving or wise.
Any female finding herself in a situation as difficult as this is already suffering beyond imagination. To add murder on top of that suffering would make it unbearable! Murder of her unborn child does not alleviate the suffering of the rape perpetrated upon her. To bring a precious child, created in God's image, into the world after such an act is shedding light in the darkness! Life conquers death!
I chose to post the truth about Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving Day, something every U. S. citizen, or illegal alien among us, NEEDS to know!
Everything I post here is quite relevant to this debate, roc.
I was informing folks of the truth about Thanksgiving and George Washington, that's what. It's quite pertinent to this debate.
No, you are wrong, the onus is upon you, Mr. hades to prove God does not exist.
"Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be - That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks - for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation - for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war - for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed - for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted - for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us."
--George Washington, 1789
The Washington Times
Forgetting the holy; The Feast of the Intransitive Verb
Published Thursday, November 25, 1999.
By Kevin "Seamus" Hasson
Every fourth Thursday in November work and school are canceled so that families can gather together for the day and thank - well, we'll get to just who it is they may be thanking in a minute. They also enjoy good food, good company and good football. The holiday is currently called Thanksgiving, although there is reason to think that may have to change.
Just about every other religious holiday has been stripped of its original meaning and transformed into a more secular version of its former self. Why should Thanksgiving be any different? In Pittsburgh, Christmas and Hanukkah morphed into "Sparkle Season" and then disintegrated further into "Downtown Pittsburgh Sparkles." Public school systems across the country are renaming the Easter Bunny the "Special Bunny." Even Halloween is being transformed out of concern for its rampant religiosity. In many places it is now the "Fall Festival Celebration." Surely Thanksgiving, a state-sanctioned holiday that purports to give the nation a day to thank God, cannot withstand the small, furious army of radical secularists determined to take the "holy" out of our holidays. A day set aside to thank God can hardly be appropriate when the celebration of Christmas, Hanukkah and even Halloween has become taboo. Something will have to be done.
So I have a modest proposal: Let's practice truth-in-labeling and call the November holiday that was formerly Thanksgiving, "The Feast of the Intransitive Verb." Intransitive verbs, as we all remember from those unpleasant days of diagramming sentences in grammar school, are verbs that do not require an object. Verbs in sentences like "The horse ran" and "The wind blows" are intransitive because the horse doesn't have to run anything or the wind blow anything. They can simply run and blow without any object at all. Well, what about the verb "to thank"? It's supposed to have an object. You can't just sit there and "thank." You have to thank someone. Which is why secularists don't use that word much in late November anymore. Their creed requires them to celebrate the day by being grateful while thanking no one. And it's embarrassing to have to choose between being politically and grammatically correct. So secularists prefer the circumlocution "to give thanks." It doesn't require an object. You can get away with "giving thanks" without having to be grateful to anyone in particular. It's much more comfortable that way. Thank whomever you want. Or, don't thank anyone; it's entirely up to you. Either way you can still "give thanks." That's the beauty of using an intransitive verb; it doesn't need any object.
Of course, once the object of our gratitude is out of the way it's all downhill. The rest of the day is uncommonly easy to secularize. It has none of the outward trappings of a religious holiday. There are no babes in mangers or symbolic candles to remove from courthouse steps. No one is ringing church bells that require silencing or allowing children to hunt for eggs that must be renamed. The staples of Thanksgiving - turkeys, cornucopias and pumpkin pies - in and of themselves present no real threat to the secularist ascendancy. And the football games are an absolute godsend (so to speak) for secularists. After all, the more distracted we all are the easier it is to forget about the one to whom we owe gratitude.
So let's hear it for the Feast of the Intransitive Verb. It's a worthy companion to "Sparkle Season" (formerly known as Christmas), "Special Person Day" (previously St. Valentine's Day), and the "Spring Festival," which was once Easter. Of course, if all this isn't agreeable to you, if it all seems just a little bit extreme, or even if you're just worried that turkey and cranberries may never taste the same again, you could always
be a thumb in the eye of the radical secularists. You could insist on thanking God, and not settle for
generically "giving thanks." You could tell your neighbors that you're grateful to God for all He's done for
you. You could even go so far as to tell your children to do the same - to make sure that amidst all the
construction paper turkeys they fashion in school they get the message across that they, too, are thanking
God.
Defending the public integrity of our holidays is not just petulance. Cultures are built, and eroded, by a
succession of public acts both great and small. Everything from the arts we exhibit to the table manners we
display makes a difference in building up or wearing down our culture. Public holiday celebrations are
particularly potent engines of culture - which is why the secularists have poured so much energy into
changing ours. Pittsburgh's "sparkle season," for example, has done great damage, not only to Christmas in
Pennsylvania, but to our culture nationally. But the fight is far from over. So this weekend enlist in the
culture war and thank God.
Kevin J. “Seamus” Hasson is the president emeritus of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.
Abraham Lincoln’s Thanksgiving Proclamation
Amy PayneNovember 22, 2012 at 8:14 am(0)
Happy Thanksgiving from The Heritage Foundation! As we celebrate and give thanks today, we invite you to read President Abraham Lincoln’s 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation below.
The year that is drawing toward its close has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added which are of so extraordinary a nature that they can not fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever-watchful providence of Almighty God.
In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign states to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere, except in the theater of military conflict, while that theater has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union.
Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defense have not arrested the plow, the shuttle, or the ship; the ax has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well as the iron and coal as of our precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege, and the battlefield, and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.
No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.
It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently, and gratefully acknowledged, as with one heart and one voice, by the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow-citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens.
And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners, or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the imposition of the Almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the divine purpose, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility, and union.
http://www.youtube.com/user/cslewisweb
The Magician's Twin: C.S. Lewis and the Case against Scientism
Gnaw on this a while.
How unfortunate you have said in your heart there is no God.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/
Before that age, the little one has a developing heart that began it's development at conception, roc.
Everyone should want to do that for the betterment of society, for a much healthier society. If you cared for someone other than yourself, you would comprehend this. Your narcissism is blatantly obvious, sick and exceedingly harmful.
The entire Bible is reliable, blithering Blah, whether or not you believe it to be. God doesn't need your opinion to make His Word true.
See the answer I already provided you in a previous dispute, Blah blah.
Actually, you MK are the moron because you have chosen not to believe in Jesus! The Bible refers to folks such as you as as fool.
http://www.youtube.com/
Now, you tell me from the moment of conception, this marvelously created being is NOT a human, not a person? If you do, you are a fool, and it's futile to argue against such foolishness.
http://www.youtube.com/
You talk such stuff and nonsense! It's futile to argue with a fool!
Respect, you say, gu. How can anyone have respect for a woman who has her own flesh and blood murdered in cold blood?
It's God's opinion that abortion is wrong. It's God's opinion that abortion is murder. It's God's opinion that it is NOT legal to slaughter an unborn baby that He created in His image! God's ways are higher. He is God and we are NOT! His way is the only way that matters! Get over yourself, CH.
CH, for anyone to go against God is hubris! That's what is wrong with people who have chosen not to believe in Him. They are puffed up with pride. Abortion is murder!
AS, you need to educate yourself about the truth of the Roe v Wade story, and how diabolical it is.
Abortion should NEVER be legal, chatturgha! It is always murder, and it is God who gives and God who takes away!
I do not live by mythology. Science, the study of God's creation, proves that life begins at conception. Science, God's creation, concurs with God's creation of the human life.
Abortion is morally reprehensible! It is Evil! It is harmful to our entire society and world! It's absurd that in the U. S. in the year 2012 murder is legal. God's law is higher! He says it is wrong! That's all that matters, folks!
Actually, Planned Barrenhood does NOT inform of the to-be-expected psychological, emotional, physical and spiritual consequences. They attempt to pass abortion off as a minor procedure that will only require a bandage in order to heal. They treat ending the valuable life of a baby as nothing more than having one's tonsils removed. They are wicked and care only about the money and doing their part to ensure zero population growth. They are Evil with a capital E!
Most abortions are performed after the heart has started beating, rocky. That is a pro-death action whether or not you believe it!
Consider how 80% of 18-24 years olds voted for Obama. It is proof positive of the progressive brainwashing that takes place in our public institutions of lower learning. That coupled with their frontal lobes being under-developed, their lack of experience, knowledge and wisdom, their deficient education, their lack of suffering, their narcissism, their pride, their sense of entitlement, their rebelliousness, their ridiculous worship of Che, marijuana, booze, Hollywood, the pop music industry, pornography, promiscuity, fashion, etc. makes them unequipped to vote responsibly. Our anti-Jesus society has robbed them of necessary skills to serve others instead of themselves, and ensures they will act as know-it-alls with all the answers but none of the problems, when they are barely out of diapers.
A mere four weeks after conception, a baby's heart starts pumping blood, roc.
An abortion always causes psychological trauma to the one who has been an accomplice to her own baby's death. It causes physical trauma to both she and her baby, and sometimes infections to the mother, or even death to the mother. Most importantly, it ends the life of the unborn child. That's real suffering. Suffering that endures long after the "procedure" has accomplished its hideous purpose.
Abortion stops a beating heart, Daddy. No mammal can exist without a beating heart, so when an abortion is performed, a life is extinguished.
Fox News is not filled with false, hate-opposing opinions. It is more factual than the progressive media sources. Conservatives need their own reliable news sources because we cannot believe the venomous lies being touted from the progressive, anti-Christ crowd. Contrary to what has been taught about conservatives for decades, we are not lacking in intelligence, awareness or knowledge.
Abortion stops a beating heart, Mark. That is murderous. So what if those in the opposition here do not consider abortion to be murder. It is murder whether or not you believe it to be.
Have you read my comments on how porn destroys lives yet, Mark? If not, why not? If so, do you believe what I wrote to be factual?
Are you willing to better yourself by eradicating pornography from your life, Mark?
You're not only funnylookin', you're also stupidthinkin'. Abortion is legalized murder. It's akin to slavery.
My essay is completely relevant to this topic, young prideful one.
I will reiterate, until you have gained wisdom with age and experience, I will not listen to you, for you have all of the answers but none of the problems. With suffering comes a tenderness of heart that you have yet to develop. Clearly you have not suffered much.
Hahahaha, I'm not the one making you look stupid! Got a mirror handy?
If I want to copy and paste my own essay that addresses the topic of abortion here, I will! Who are you to tell me my argument is invalid? You are barely out of diapers, with an under-developed frontal lobe at that! There's a greater chance I'll listen to you after you turn 25, as well as after you have endured great suffering.
Works of art to be ogled at, women are not. Made of flesh and blood, they have feelings, aspirations, and dreams. Our society evaluates the sexual attractiveness of women by creating uncommon, unearthly standards of beauty, causing many to consider they are inferior. We all suffer when women are dishonored by allowing themselves to become immodest slabs of meat on display for all to enjoy. Wives, girlfriends, mothers, sisters, and daughters are wounded when significant males in their lives view nude bodies of indiscriminate women. Males become mesmerized with the so-called ideal specimens, who do not nag or have any expectations of them, who appear to stare longingly back and desire them from screens or glossy, airbrushed pages. Creating fantasy worlds for men, these models cause divisions between men and the women who truly care for them. Not to mention, sex trafficking and child pornography. And folks wonder from whence comes disrespect for, neglect of, and violence directed at women?
It teaches little boys that females are less than they, simply objects to be used for their pleasure. Once a man becomes addicted to porn, for it to continue satisfying, it necessarily leads to kinkier and kinkier places. Men masturbate while viewing porn, and it causes them to prefer that to healthy sexual relations with their wives. Porn is addictive behaviour that robs wives and children of their husband's/father's time, finances and attention. Porn is the leading cause of divorce. Consider the evil of sex trafficking and child porn. Consider how the consumption of porn led Ted Bundy to become a serial killer.
How we spend our time shapes who we are, and how we build the persons we are is cause for social concern. At all times we must ask ourselves whether what we are doing is loving or wise. Are we putting the needs and feelings of others above our own, or is the pursuit of our own pleasure the measure of our lives?
Mark, I ask you, do you believe porn destroys lives, or are you still a doubter even when faced with the facts? What rock have you been living under? Oh, that's right, you're barely out of diapers.
Obviously I did not pass it off as my own, because you easily found that it was not my own!
Just because you deem my argument invalid does not make it invalid. Are you even a person yet since your brain is not finished developing?
I didn't copy and paste. I own the book and typed it all out here. I didn't try to pass it off as my own either!
If homosexuals want to legalize their union, they must use a word other than marriage to do so.
I didn't accuse you of working for the diabolical porn industry. I said you make a practice of delving into it for your own pleasure. PORN DESTROYS LIVES IN A MYRIAD OF WAYS! Exemplary Josh McDowell can educate you on this topic. Get your head out of the sand on this crucial topic, as you zip your pants back up. The accessibility of porn afforded by the Internet has completely transformed our nation. Maranatha!
Of course you compare an unborn little one to a comic book and a chick. What an atrocity for your public education to have been the cause of such convoluted thinking. How frightening and disturbing for our society.
Of course you feel no shame, for you believe yourself to be good as you are, requiring no refinement. How frightening for the rest of society!
Until one's frontal lobe has completed development, at age 25, one is not yet an adult. Until age 25, young people make irrational decisions. (They should definitely not vote). The way children are educated, being brainwashed by progressive propaganda, makes our society an exceedingly frightening and disturbing place. Most young folks are belligerent, arrogant, hateful, intolerant, rebellious anti-Christs with a sense of entitlement. Sadly, I am well-acquainted with such young people. To realize they will be the future leaders in our society is exceedingly sobering.
Science supports the notion that the universe had a beginning and that something independent of the universe brought it into being. The well-accepted scientific belief in the universe's origination and expansion and the second law of thermodynamics (energy tends to spread out) support the universe's absolute beginning from nothing. This sounds remarkably like Genesis 1:1! The chances of a thing's popping into being from literally nothing are exactly zero. Being cannot come from non-being; there's no potential for this. Even skeptic David Hume called this "absurd" - a metaphysical impossibility.
Believers reject the claim, "Everything that exists has a cause" and affirm "Whatever begins to exist has a cause." To say "Everything needs a cause would necessarily exclude an uncaused God. This is "question-begging" (assuming what needs to be proved). It's like presuming that since all reality is physical (which can't be demonstrated), a nonphysical God cannot exist.
Why think everything needs a cause, since an uncaused entity is logical and intelligible? Through the centuries, many believed that the universe didn't need a cause; it was self-existent. They did not believe an uncaused universe was illogical or impossible. But now that contemporary cosmology points to the universe's beginning and an external cause, skeptics insist that everything needs a cause after all!
A good number of uncaused things exist. Logical laws are real; we can't think coherently without using them (e.g., the law of identity, X = X, tells you: "This book is this book"). Moral laws or virtues (love, justice) are real. But none of these began to exist. They are eternal and uncaused (being in God's mind).
The question "Who made God?" commits the category fallacy. To say that all things, even God, must be caused is incoherent - like the question "How does the color green taste?" Why fault God for being uncaused? when we rephrase the question to say, "What caused the self-existent uncaused Cause, who is by definition unmade, to exist?" the answer is obvious.
Science supports the notion that the universe had a beginning and that something independent of the universe brought it into being. The well-accepted scientific belief in the universe's origination and expansion and the second law of thermodynamics (energy tends to spread out) support the universe's absolute beginning from nothing. This sounds remarkably like Genesis 1:1! The chances of a thing's popping into being from literally nothing are exactly zero. Being cannot come from non-being; there's no potential for this. Even skeptic David Hume called this "absurd" - a metaphysical impossibility.
Believers reject the claim, "Everything that exists has a cause" and affirm "Whatever begins to exist has a cause." To say "Everything needs a cause would necessarily exclude an uncaused God. This is "question-begging" (assuming what needs to be proved). It's like presuming that since all reality is physical (which can't be demonstrated), a nonphysical God cannot exist.
Why think everything needs a cause, since an uncaused entity is logical and intelligible? Through the centuries, many believed that the universe didn't need a cause; it was self-existent. They did not believe an uncaused universe was illogical or impossible. But now that contemporary cosmology points to the universe's beginning and an external cause, skeptics insist that everything needs a cause after all!
A good number of uncaused things exist. Logical laws are real; we can't think coherently without using them (e.g., the law of identity, X = X, tells you: "This book is this book"). Moral laws or virtues (love, justice) are real. But none of these began to exist. They are eternal and uncaused (being in God's mind).
The question "Who made God?" commits the category fallacy. To say that all things, even God, must be caused is incoherent - like the question "How does the color green taste?" Why fault God for being uncaused? when we rephrase the question to say, "What caused the self-existent uncaused Cause, who is by definition unmade, to exist?" the answer is obvious.
Touche! You just made a slam dunk, Jawkins, or even a 3-pointer! :)
Mark, you say you live for others. Is delving into the hideous, diabolical industry of pornography living for others? There is absolutely NOTHING funny about porn! It destroys lives!
Jawkins, here is a wonderful miracle about George Washington!
There is more than one miraculous story about God's intervention in General George Washington's life! Here is one:
http://rjmoeller.com/2010/12/
Science supports the notion that the universe had a beginning and that something independent of the universe brought it into being. The well-accepted scientific belief in the universe's origination and expansion and the second law of thermodynamics (energy tends to spread out) support the universe's absolute beginning from nothing. This sounds remarkably like Genesis 1:1! The chances of a thing's popping into being from literally nothing are exactly zero. Being cannot come from non-being; there's no potential for this. Even skeptic David Hume called this "absurd" - a metaphysical impossibility.
Believers reject the claim, "Everything that exists has a cause" and affirm "Whatever begins to exist has a cause." To say "Everything needs a cause would necessarily exclude an uncaused God. This is "question-begging" (assuming what needs to be proved). It's like presuming that since all reality is physical (which can't be demonstrated), a nonphysical God cannot exist.
Why think everything needs a cause, since an uncaused entity is logical and intelligible? Through the centuries, many believed that the universe didn't need a cause; it was self-existent. They did not believe an uncaused universe was illogical or impossible. But now that contemporary cosmology points to the universe's beginning and an external cause, skeptics insist that everything needs a cause after all!
A good number of uncaused things exist. Logical laws are real; we can't think coherently without using them (e.g., the law of identity, X = X, tells you: "This book is this book"). Moral laws or virtues (love, justice) are real. But none of these began to exist. They are eternal and uncaused (being in God's mind).
The question "Who made God?" commits the category fallacy. To say that all things, even God, must be caused is incoherent - like the question "How does the color green taste?" Why fault God for being uncaused? when we rephrase the question to say, "What caused the self-existent uncaused Cause, who is by definition unmade, to exist?" the answer is obvious.
MrPrime, why the God of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob, of course. Every child developing in the womb is an unmitigated blessing from Him!
Fetus means little one. How do you not know this, Markie? What has your public edumication afforded you, except to turn you away from the Truth which is Jesus? By the way, I was raised Catholic and at the age of nine, I remember vividly the day a priest lied to us about the Bible being filled with nice fairy tales. At the age of eighteen I knew the evolution I was learning in biology class was lies too. Way before I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour, my spirit was in tune with the Truth which is Jesus.
Of course the sin of abortion is forgiven if the one who was involved in it turns from the sin, repenting of it, and genuinely seeks to be forgiven.
You're sorry? I bet you never admit to being wrong. How dare you speak so callously of our profound suffering???
We'll let the readers decide who makes the better argument. It's obvious to me you don't have a leg on which to stand.
Folks, get real, the main reason you all are pro-death is that you don't want your plans for free love spoiled. Am I right? Am I right? Am I right, right right?
God did supernaturally save George's life on the battlefield, that's for darn tootin' sure!
That's all you've got in response to my posting? Mark, you're slipping.
Okie dokie, keep right on believing that nothing banged itself into everything. That makes much more sense than a Creator God!
