1. Education: College
2. Religion: Atheist/Agnostic
3: Hobbies: Smoking? I dont know.
4: Race (optional): Bosnian
5: Age (optional): ?
6: Political Views: Totalitarian
7: Personality: Calm and sparky.
8: Most Likely to over use the word dude.
1. Education: High School
2. Religion: Christian
3: Hobbies: Dubstep? And Tennis?
4: Race (optional): Caucasian
5: Age (optional): 17 I think
6: Political Views: Parental Style Government
7: Personality: Nice, Sweet, Helpful, etc.
8: Most Likely to become a very nice person?
The First-born from the dead
The highest of earthly kings
The Alpha and Omega
Lord God
The Almighty
Son of Man
The First and the Last
The Living One
Son of God
Witness
Creator
Lion of the Tribe of Judah
Root of David
The Lamb
The Shepherd
Christ (Anointed)
Faithful and True
Word of God
King of Kings
Lord of Lords
Eloheim
El Elyon
El Roi
El Shaddai
Yahweh
Adonai
There may be a few more but these are the firsts ones that come to mind. I dont see how this makes me delusional or psychopathic though.
a) They use wrong terms like exactly: The prophecies that they reference didn't predict anything exactly. Everything is vague and easily manipulated to fit
Regardless of vagueness they occured yes?
b) They mention how the prediction was made so many years before it happened, but the prediction doesn't say, in 700 years this happens, and 1300 years this happens. The predicted events could happen at anytime and fulfill the prediction, so it doesn't matter how long before the event it was made.
The math is for us to figure out. Thats why I said read it.
Predicting that someone who claims he is God will be tortured and beaten and killed, is not a great prediction. How would we treat someone nowadays who claimed they were the son of God? We would lock them up.
Actually claiming all the specifics to the man, which you completepy left out, make it a near impossible prediction.
d) My personal favorite. The predictions appear in the Bible, and the proof that the predictions came true appears in ... wait for it ... the Bible. If the first book of Harry Potter made a prediction and it came true in the fifth book of Harry Potter would we really be surprised?
The bible is full of different authors over a period of time. Harry potter is by one.
Jesus wasn't either.
Jesus indeed was.
No, Christians just used it as a way to break all of the strict rules, Jesus hasn't made anything better
Break what rules?
Both works of fiction. How many copies of Harry Potter need to be printed for it to become truth. Obviously being the most printed doesn't actually prove anything
I never said it did. I said you are going to compare Harry Potter to a collection of books. Thats foolish.
I guess you totally missed the point there.
I guess sarcasm isnt your strong suit.
That is your argument. All you keep saying is that God is all knowing because God is all knowing.
Show me where I claimed that. Because I said to you God does not know everything because he is inherently omniscient. Then I gave definitions for the term all knowing and what it means to people. Dont lie.
But, the Bible also says times He doesn't know stuff. So, I claim that I have perfect knowledge, and you can demonstrate I don't by showing there is something I don't know, I can say that your claim is also false because we can show something God didn't know.
I never claimed that God knows everything so ita useless to do so.
You are using the Bible to prove the Bible is true. It is worthless. It is circular to use passages from a book to prove the passages from the book.
Again, false. I never said the bible was true. I am using the bible to describe God. Thats it. I never said the bible is a history book. I never said it was true. That is why you lie. You are just assuming things now.
My beliefs:
God is inherently omniscience. This means that he doesnt know everything but is aware of all and can percieve all and if he wants to know something he can.
My God is omnipotent by definition. Omnipotence, by definition, does not mean one can do everything but infact implies, by definition, to affect or rule with absolute authority over his creation.
The bible is a collection of books from different people over a period of time. That is why the predictions are stronger than they appear. The predictions are even more complicated but you seem to have left that out.
Jesus was the Son of Man, which by biblical definiton, practically God. God in human form.
So arguing that he doesnt know everything is what I have been twlling you this whole time. I even told Quocalimar that he doesnt know everything. He didnt know Adam did what he did and he didnt know what Abraham would do either. So what exactly are you disputing me for?
I have not once used circular reasoning. I asked you for evidence and you still wont give me anything. When will you highlight a passage of my words? Prove me wrong.
I dont care if you believe or not or if you insult God of not but making up stiff while debating just shows me how much of a poor debater you are.
1) I never claimed the bible was true.
2) I never said God knows absolutely everything.
3) I never said God is all-knowing because the bible says so.
4) I never used circular reasoning. For one you told me not to use the bible and then lied and said you have been asking me the entire time when you know you never asked me once.
5) I never brainwashed anybody and you know that for there was no forceful indoctrination committed by me. My parents voluntarily asked me to describe my faith. They choose my faith almost a year later. That is not brainwashing and I dispise being accused of it.
6) A predi tion in the bible is significant. If you didnt know, and I will say it again, the bible is a collection of books from different authors and is supposed to be a non-fictional account of history. Harry Potter was deemed by its author as fiction. Harry Potter is a terrible example to use against the bible. It doesnt do anything. Harry Potter is one book. The bible is many. Harry Potter has one author. The bible has plenty. A prediction is already know by the author and can be conpleted by the author in Harry Potter. The bible is an account of predictions coming true over a long period of time from the accounts of multiple people and thus making the prediction legitimate. Like your poor example of the prediction of Jesus. The bible predicted so much more about Jesus' life and fufillment yet you left it out to make your argument better. You are a terrible debater if that is all you wish to do is lie, decieve, and barely give any information for your side. I have not once seen you understand what I have been trying to tell you from the start. I told you God is inherently omniscient. You didnt listen. I am done with you I just can no longer stand you.
Well sometimes we may have a sort of righteous anger in us. Sometimes Christians are angry with their lives and their are some verses in the bible that tell us to be happy with our current situation or lives. It is hard for one to be humble all the time.
Exaggerate much?
Nope. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/
Look, there have been people who have fulfilled prophecies way better than Jesus.
I dont think anybody has been the son of man besides Jesus. So that is false.
Plus, when you fail the most important prophecy you can't call yourself the Messiah. The Messiah was supposed to make everything better for God's chosen people, the Jews. That clearly didn't happen, so no Messiah.
For faithful jews to his name back in that day and age he did and he will.
That's like telling me to read Harry Potter. There is no need to read it.
Equating the bible to Harry Potter? The bible is the most printed book in history and you compare it to Harry Potter? I would tell you to read that too. Maybe you can formulate a normal argument after reading a good novel.
My prayers were answered by a jug of milk. Therefore jug of milk is God.
That is neat. I am proud that your prayers have been answered. Ao have mine through my God.
Your definitions and logic are circular as they need each other to be true.
Now you are just lying. This is your last resort isnt it? This is circular reasoning. God is all-knowing because God is all-knowing therefore God is all-knowing. Never made such a claim. Stop avoiding your defeat.
I keep asking you to tell me where the Bible says it and you refuse to, that's the only reason you haven't quoted a passage.
Where the bible says what? You never asked me once. You even told me not to use the bible but now I can? Hypocritcal much? I will provide you with verses anyways.
Job 37:16
Do you know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him who is perfect in knowledge.
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.
1 Samuel 2:3
Talk no more so very proudly, let not arrogance come from your mouth; for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 46:9
I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done.
Psalm 139:4
Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
Now would you like anymore biblical quotes? Because for one you never asked me and two you told me specifically not to use the bible so dont make up stuff. You claim I am using circular reasoning so why dont you show me your evidence so I can either deny or un-circulate it for you.
This has nothing to do with omniscience. So, He got lucky on His predictions, why should that count?
It all has to do with omniscience. One must know how to make a planet. Or anything he wishes. Luck? That explains the 44 times for prophesy of the account of Jesus. Thats totally acceptable. Because 44 times of luck happens. Or what about the 450+ prophesies that a man would have a 10^157 chance of doing all of it. That is absolute luck? I dont think so.
I thought it was based off Him telling the prophets that He is perfect.
Like I said read the bible and come back to me.
1) What you say doesn't prove God. Doesn't change God. You can't prove that God knows what's in your heart.
God has shown me the ways of his works through out my prayers. I have several testimonies. What you say doesn't disprove God.
2) You can't use the Bible to verify the claims that are only found in the Bible. Plus, the Bible is a book of fiction.
Funny. I have not used a single verse in this argument and you say that? I have given you definitions and logical explainations and you cant even take heed of one word I have posted. So now you say I cant use the bible when I have not even used it yet? Typical. Again, if you cannot come up with an actual argument dont bother posting.
Well, I agree, He is not great.
That is your opinion. I believe he is great.
How do you know He has this ability?
How do I know? God gave people prophesy and the prophesy was fufilled.God read the hearts of people. You cannot. God created Heaven and Earth. I don't see you even making the smallest of moons or even the smallest of stars. God must have known how to do these things. You don't.
He said so.
Read the bible and come back to me. If you are just going based off of assumptions then you may need to read the bible. You must debate with an open mind.
I say, so what?
I say I don't care what you say. What you say doesn't disprove God. Doesn't change God.
In fact, I said I have that ability and you immediately shot me down, so I can safely do the same
1) You are not a God. If you have inherent omniscience tell me what the content of my heart is. Prove you claim or don't make it.
2) Just because you can claim something doesn't mean it true and the same goes for God. So we have to investigate. I read the bible, learned about the qualities of God, and noticed that he has the ability to know anything he wishes for nothing can be hidden from him. I can hide anything from you. For example my thoughts or my dreams or my desires.
Yes, your opinion, let's stop stating it like it is a fact.
I never stated that God was great.
So, you forced them. Brainwasher.
They voluntarily asked me to explain my faith. I did so and they said they will try it. That is not brain washing at all.
God says He is all knowing. God doesn't actually know things in some of the stories. He seems to be lying.
I already explained what all-knowing means and you seem to not be able to realize this. I already gave you the definition of the words. All-knowing refers to God's ABILITY to know all things.
You gave three possibilities for your God to be. He is none of those, therefore I ignored nothing.
I gave two types of omniscience. I gave you the definition of "all-knowing". So if you just want to keep avoiding the fact that you are failing to produce an argument be my guest. However this debate with you is futile because you steadily resort to attacks with no basis of information, and when you finally gain information, and I answer it, you resort back to attacks. Now if you wont produce a normal, non insulting argument I will no longer bother in trying to relate info with you. Tell me when you can actually come up with an argument.
You started it when you said God is great because you say so.
In my opinion God is great and awesome. Your opinion will vary from mine.
Your brains have been washed, it doesn't have to be from some really powerful, but you were forced.
Forced by what? Are you going to say parents? Because I actually brought my family into the faith. So what will you say forced me?
Let me break it down for you. If I say I can do something and then through my actions I can't seem to do what I say I can do, I can't actually do the thing I say I can do.
That doesn't really relate to what we are talking about. You have to go into detail or be more specific.
The Bible also invalidates His claims, which parts should I ignore?
Invalidates what claim? That he is all-knowing? I just gave you dictionary definitions and explained how it can be interpreted. You seemed to completely ignore that.
Please, for your own good, and for my own, don't argue if all you can do is just insult somebody because that is not debating.
Wrong, you say it because you are part of a brainwashed cult.
I see you have no argument against my own. Again, you result to simple insults. By the definition of "cult" I may be in one, but by societies definition of cult? No.
Brainwashing? No. We simply believe what we read because we choose to. We were not forced. Although some may have been I choose for myself. Unless you can absolutely prove that all Christians are just brainwashed I would cease from throwing insults. If this is what you result to when on the bad edge of a debate then debating with you is no longer a learning expierience or fun.
Your cult book tells you that He doesn't know everything by reading some of the stories.
My Holy Bible indeed says so.
Your cult book quotes God when He says He is all knowing
Let's break down the words shall we? Only in hopes that you can create a normal argument.
Knowing: 1 : having or reflecting knowledge, information, or intelligence. shrewdly and keenly alert. b : indicating possession of exclusive inside knowledge or information.
All: the whole amount, quantity, or extent of
He has infinite understanding. He possesses the ability to know everything there is. All-knowing can be interpreted in a few ways. One can have an understanding of all things. One can have the information of all beings. One can have the knowledge of all things.
He makes big claims and can't back them up.
I see. It is up to us to validate then isn't it? Although the bible does go into detail their is no use even trying to use it since you won't read it anyway.
I have tried doing tricks on a bike. I indeed learned that speed is only necessary when you want to ride with no hands for a period of time but I have gone sort of slow and maintained balance without using my hands. A wheelie does not always require speed. However on a sports bike I think keeping your bike in balance is necessary if someone wants to do random tricks like standing on their bike or sitting backwards or laying down on their bike.
maybe God being Omnipotent and Omniscient is just metaphorical. Maybe instead of knowing all and being all powerful he just knows more than you'll ever know, and is more powerful than the human race.
God is almighty. God has inherent omniscience. The bible says the word "almighty" many times just to get the point across. The definition of omnipotence does not mean "can do everything". Unless you can show me a definition that actually says so. You cannot say it is logically implied because the definition would have spoke of it. He is more powerful than us all though. By a vast amount.
God claims to have omniscience. I claim to have omniscience. God doesn't know stuff. I don't know stuff. God still has omniscience. I still have omniscience.
The reason we say God has omniscience is because he knows the hearts of his creation. Humans cannot do so. Humans can be lied to and decieved. God cannot be tricked or decieved for he knows the quality and content of a man, or woman's, heart. You cannot know what my heart says or whay it wishes. That is beyond human capability.
There are 2 types of omniscience, real and fake. He has fake.
That is not even an argument. I have given you the two forms of omniscience and you still seem to just go for attacks. Are you ever going to post an actual argument? Inherent omniscience means that anything he wishes to know can be known by him. Humans cannot do this. We can obtain the information that has already been established for us or we can discovery something that we has not been discovered yet, but even then we still cannot obtain the knowledge of anything we wan't. You have not proven he is fake at all. Are you going to actually attempt to do so or are you just going to go for you basic attacks?
It is potentially worthless. I have potential omniscience as well. Everything I don't know is because I choose not to know it
Do you know what heaven looks like? What did Adam and Eve look like? What am I thinking? What is Obama thinking? What is Kim Kardashian thinking? You do not have inherent omniscience. Humans cannot have it. It seems like your argument is just attacks to God. Do you have an actual argument perhaps?
Does that mean He is not all knowing?
There are two forms of omniscience. Total and Inherent. Inherent is what God has which pretty much is all knowledge.
Knowledge: the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or acquaintance with or understanding
Then put all in front and it logically fits together. The argument you have is based on societies definition.
How come he didn't have the power? That question isn't being asked properly. You should ask "why didn't God stop them?". God has the power to affect all of his creation, but God didn't expect Adam and Eve to eat the fruit. That is why he punished them justly instead of excusing them. Same thing with Lucifer. Why didn't God erase or stop the war in heaven? God highly values free will and in order to do so one must not be able to know exactly what every person will do. God knew Lucifer would not stop once he started the war and therefore kicked him out of heaven. God has inherent omniscience meaning his knowledge is potentially infinite and his understanding is infinite and what ever he does not know he can obtain if he wishes.
What do you mean allowed? He gave his kids everything. He gave Lucifer the throne above all angels and he was pretty much the second in command behind God. He was given beauty beyond comprehension. He was near the rank of most high. Lucifer ruined it for himself. Adam and Eve were given domain of the entire Garden of Eden and he told them to eat of anything except for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and for some people the Tree of Life. They were given peace and joy. Lucifer was given everything.
Depends on how you look at it. Lucifer's iniquity is said to be the root or the start of it all. However with Adam and Eve the act of disobedience was the thing that brought sin into the world. The fruit didnt give them anything but knowledge. When they disobeyed they released sin into the world.
Jesus is not God, it is the son of God, he was the savior of mankind, for he sacrificed his life, and that is only stories written 2000 years ago in a book.
Depending on someone's beliefs Jesus was God in human form. He is a part of the Holy Trinity. So technically, with a variance in faith, Jesus was God.
All powerful, able to do anything.
And what dictionary definition says "able to do anything"? All powerful yes. Almighty yes. All ruling yes. Ability to do anything? What definition supports your view?
What I said was and, two separate shortcomings of his. he does not know all and is not omnipotent.
He has inherent omniscience. Not total. Also define omnipotence correctly by dictionary definition and you will see that he is.
Though omniscience always has a fallacy attached to it. God couldn't know everything, because their is sure to be something he doesn't know that he doesn't know.
You are absolutely correct. Thats why we say inherent omniscience.
Then God does not know all, and he is not omnipotent.
You mean omniscient? Power is attributed to omnipotent. Also define omnipotent in your view.
Although it still works, then this reaffirms that he is not omniscient. It works for omnipotence because being able to do anything would allow him to see the future, or predict it at all times.
God cannot do "anything". So define omnipotence correctly. The definition never says "the ability to do everything" so please give a dictionary definition and not the typical assumption of God's power.
If the Bible means something else by these terms that is not affirmed by the definition then it's not true.
Do you know the correct definition of omnipotence and omniscience? God has inherent omniscience. There are two kinds, total and inherent. God has inherent omniscience. So what exactly are you trying to say?
Put simple, he knows all that happened, happens, and will happen. It's very within the logic that God is omnipotent to say that he knew Lucifer would tempt eve.
God knew that Lucifer would do that? No. Did God know Adam and Eve would sin? No. He could have faith that they would not. Knowledge fits the definition of omniscience not omnipotence. Can you prove to me that God knew he would rebel? Or that God knew he would tempt Eve? Or that Adam would follow Eve? Can you prove to me that God already knew this? Or are you just attributing omniscience to God without realizing what the bible means by omniscience?
but you have just agreed
I didnt agree to anything.
So yes, we made sin because we disobeyed God, but it was God's plan for us to do that.
Oh we don't know his plan. However once we disobeyed, and this isn't a human thing its a free will thing, God had to make a way for humans to have a conplete choice over their actions.
The perfect being made us to sin
No. He gave us free will and free will has the ability to sin. He didnt make us to sin. Lucifer rebelled because he had free will. He wasn't made to just sin. He was made to be a worship leader. For instance, if Lucifer never rebelled how can you say we were made to sin? If we would have never sinned? We were persuaded into sinning.
There are many things to discuss. You can talk about the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (I don't think I spelled their names properly). I like that story. Or you can talk about certain interpretations of the book of Revelation.
Honestly tell me how something good, can be used for evil.
Well I guess the best example I can give you is a nice person. If this person is too nice they may be duped into doing something bad with the thought that they are doing good. This person can be manipulated if they are too nice.
This is proof that you see the words and don't question them when logic says something else, thus no point in arguing.
What logic? Both things are of logic. Logical to you may be illogical to me and so on and so on. Also my statement was only given in hopes you would give me a time frame for explaination. I havent recieved a time frame from you. So now you just assume I never questioned the bible.
How?
How? How do I describe the action other than saying "by doing it?" Thats like asking me how do I lift my arm. You lift it.
I'll listen and shape my knowledge around what I learn, rather what I already believe and refuse to change.
If your mind is not open for change then what is the point of me typing this for?
No specific time. Any and all times, anything ever made had to be neutral for anything outside of neutral to exist.
You have to be specific so I can explain my case for a time period. I need you to give me a frame.
If it's your assertion you're claiming nothing good has ever done evil.
You are missing my point. God named certain things as good. I am saying that something that something that is good can be used for bad. Do you see what I am saying or do you want me to explain it more?
If God created everything then anything I name qualifies.
Eveeything he created is named in the bible and has inly changed form as time goes on depending on hiw humans interacted with it. So you need to be specific so I can make an argument. Otherwise I cant do much.
There I have given you an explanation of why people simply cannot be made good.
My claim is that something good can be used for bad things.
Also I would prefer you not try to insult me with what you posted below. It doesnt seem right or necessary for debating. We are only debating. Not slinging insults at each other.
That's the point I'm making. The water is neutral. People are neutral. At best God made us neutral. Christians give him too much credit saying we were made good, when evil exists.
God made us in good nature. Nice, respectful, holy, obedient, and more. Humans twisted its nature. Water is made for good. Humans can use it for bad but the water is still good.
What is neutral water, really? How about water that's not out to help anyone, or made to do anything, but also not out to harm anything or anyone, as water is.
You are made up of mostly water. I would declare it as something good.
How does that even make sense. A good thing was used to do bad, yet bad was never made.
What time are you talking from? A modern stance or a Genesis stance because you seem to be talking from a modern stance. I am talking about in Genesis. I would have to re word everything in order to make it fit to modern day.
I don't think you are. How can something good, do bad?
You mean how can something good be used for bad? Thats my assertion. Now tell me. Which sense of creation are you speaking from?
I have, and you turned away.
What did you specifically name that God created that wasnt good?
God couldn't have made good, if it were that way it would have stayed good
That statement does not make sense. God can make rocks. Rocks to divide the land from the sea. Human make weapons from the rocks and kill people. The rock was good for all his creation was for good. I can drown somebody in water. Is the water now bad? No. It is being used for bad. Water, the gift from God to sustain life, is naturally good, but humans can taint its use and use it in malevolent ways.
He could have only have made neutral (that's giving him more credit than he deserves) and all the evil and the good that came after that neutral was because of human's freewill.
Explain to me what a neutral water is. Or what neutral oxygen is. What is a neutral rock? God's creation was for good. Humans have committed acts and manipulated them for evil means.
It is on that logic that it makes no sense to worship him
What logic? He created good. He created everything in a good nature. You can use that good thing for bad means. The object in its original state is still good. Remember what God created. Everything he made was good during that time.
We are what we are, after he made us neutral, because of our own doing
He made Adam and Eve in good nature. Not on neutral nature. The bible would has clearly said neutral. It did not. Everything he created was good.
TO praise him, and say he made us good, is not fair for those who are evil who you also claim were made good.
You are not thinking fully. Everything he made is good. Remember the time he made these things. He made Adam and Eve. They were good. They committed evil and released it among the world. He still created only good. Name something he created that wasn't good.
Why didn't God just zap old Lucifer out of existence?
Can you explain to me what that would have done? Eventually a being would commit a sin. A being, with power, would want the throne of God. Also it is not in the intrinsic nature of the universe for him to do so. God has mercy and grace on Satan, but now he must pay. He was a beautiful creation of God and was ranked highly in the heavens.
So God is powerless to fix it, or maybe don't want to fix it, if so why call God all powerful and loving if God does nothing?
I never mentioned anything about his power but I will explain anyways. God is a just God. God brings justice to those who sin and he shows us the sin in hopes that we will learn from it. If people do not sin what would we know of God? Also an all loving God must show justice to his followers if he loves them. He must try to correct them if he loves them. That is what he is trying to do and humans won't accept his hand.
So God gave us freewill and just so happen to thrown evil in the mix just to see what happens?
Nope. You missed what I said. God only made good. Everything was good. Humans, with their own power and free will committed evil actions. God did not make evil. God made good. Humans tainted the good works and used it for bad.
That's kind of warped if you ask me, as I said none of us asked for any of this, life, existence, any of this
Of course you didn't ask for it. You weren't in existence. How could you ask? Also you were a child when you started this life, well you were really a baby, so how would you truly know what you wanted or not?
so why create at all if only to watch and see if one fails so then God can torment with the evil creations that be created
He didn't. You are asking questions without even knowing the intentions God has set forth. God made us to share his good works. God also didn't make Hell for us. It was for Satan and his angels. Humans made it possible for Hell to be entered. God is lending out his hand and telling us that he wants us to follow him to paradise. Satan will try his best to pull you into Hell. Satan wants you to be a slave to sin. Satan wants you to fail, because all he wants to do is kill, steal, and destroy. God wants you to live in peace. Its up to you to choose God or Satan's path.
powerless or unwilling to do something about it, this does not sound like a all powerful or loving God if you ask me.
He is powerful enough to make everything and loving enough to make everything good. You are complaining about the sins of the but follow the paths of Satan (when I say "you" I do not mean you directly). You are saying that God cannot be loving yet he holds Satan back from unleashing his fury. He keeps the universe at bay with his gracious hand. He gave you life. He is giving you air, his own creation of which he did not have to create, but he isn't loving? God made water available, the water he made and still didn't have to, but he is not loving? He isn't powerful yet he created all this? That doesn't make sense. Also you are abandoning justice and love. If a parent loves a child the parent will discipline them, not pardon their mishaps or get rid of their children. A parent will teach their child what is right.
Why did God create the devil, sin, evil or even give us the thought patterns to even do such things?
This question is not being thought through fully.
For one God created Lucifer, a beautiful angel who was to be a worship leader. Lucifer turned himself into the devil by trying to dethrone God.
God did not make sin. Humans made sin. God made everything perfect in all of its intrinsic nature. We have tainted it and warped them into evil things.
God didnt give you any thought patterns. You think for yourself. God created perfect beings with free will and they can decide what the want to do or pursue or believe in. Thought patterns can be given to you by God though. He didn't give us a sinful thought pattern when he made is though.
This is true. He is the creator of all. The thing one must know is that when he made it for humans it was perfect. His creation became tainted with the acts of Satan, Adam, and Eve. Then they necame bad. This is when his creation was used for evil things. He only created good. For example, God made rocks. If you meld the rock into a sword and kill somebody God still didnt make the sword, the human did. God made the rock but the human corrupted its use.
Revelation says that there will be 1000 years of peace when God locks away Satan in the abyss. Woops, Satan's gone, guess who is left to rule over Hell.
Satan disappears? I never read about that. I don't think thats right. Besides Satan doesn't rule over Hell.
Well hey now, this is pretty neat, you are home alone and daddy is never coming home. Now it is time to do things your way, like I don't know, not eternally torture people for finite crimes like that asshole God.
Satan never leaves. He is locked up for 1000 years during the millennial reign. He them comes out and is eternally cast into Hell.
Oh sure. We just parallel our understand with other ministries and pastors from around America especially some from C.O.G.I.C. We have done a lot of studying. We dont just tell stories. Also we dont just stand from behind a podium and read a book. We walk around and teach others what so and so means and we help people with struggles and we teach people how to apply the teachings of christ to their life. Of course we are non denominational so I am not sure what other churches you have been to.
