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Liberty to choose Seat Belt enforcement
Debate Score:39
Arguments:35
Total Votes:39
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Seat Belt

Should the government be making decisions of morality?  1.  If the government really cares about people, why not nationally ban cell phone use first?  Given that seat belts have in fact killed people, although a minority, governments may be mandating something that can kill you.  The only opposing argument I've heard from authorities is that I could become a projectile and injure others. In defense, I have solely been riding motorcycles for over a decade, does this imply I should strap myself to the bike seat?  The arguments are illogical and I'm convinced that this is purely for financial gain from an easy target in difficult economic times.  

Liberty to choose

Side Score: 14
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Seat Belt enforcement

Side Score: 25
3 points

I believe that people should have the right to choose to wear it. If people are fine with risking their lives by not wearing seat belts, then by all means don't wear it.

Side: Liberty to choose
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
1 point

What about when not wearing a seatbelt puts at risk other people?

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
Goolihan(47) Disputed
1 point

Such as;? To clarify I'm not saying that wearing a seat belt is wrong, I'm saying that the government should not mandate something that could kill me with penalty of lucrative fines. They are out of jurismydiction. Since its probability and odds I don't think they should flip the coin for me. It's about civil liberties, not making correct decisions.

Side: Liberty to choose
1 point

How would that happen? Like your body flying out the window of the car and hitting some dude walking down the street??? Seems unlikely.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement

Why do we insist on taking care of a world already too populated? Society wants everybody to live a long life, only to throw them into a nursing home when they become a bother. Just let the cards fall where they do and everything will be much better.

Side: Liberty to choose

seat belts are not needed because you will die if that is gods will. no seat belt will save you if god wants you dead

Side: Liberty to choose

I don't think a person should be coerced to wear one nor given a ticket for not wearing one.

Side: Liberty to choose

it is important for the people to be safe and sound and as such, by any means necessary. So it would only be appropriate for various enforcement powers be used in upholding our safety. Hence, this would not be needed if we all had discipline in the first place.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
1 point

Funny how people are against a law designed to keep you safe.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
3 points

People are against getting tickets.

That's me giving them the benefit of the doubt. If they're to lazy to put a seat belt on they deserve to go through the windshield AND get a ticket. (:

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
1 point

It's not a morality issue it's safety. ----------------------

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
Goolihan(47) Clarified
1 point

I guess I just don't believe the government has my safety as a top priority. Examples would be off subject. It's way less safe to apply makeup while driving, or texting, or playing with radios. I'm saying victimless crimes should not be enforced with high fines.

Side: Liberty to choose
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

"It's way less safe to apply makeup while driving, or texting, or playing with radios."

Yes I agree. What's your point?

"I'm saying victimless crimes should not be enforced with high fines."

Are you now saying that you don't have a problem with the enforcement of seat belts as long as it's not a "high" fine? Sounds like you're changing your story.

So then how should it be enforced?

Side: Liberty to choose
1 point

They have already banned texting while driving.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
Goolihan(47) Clarified
1 point

I said nationally ban. Why decide on seat belts before cell phones. It's still legal in many states to talk on a cel phone.

Side: Liberty to choose
1 point

For various other products, it's illegal to use/operate a product in an unsafe manner. Not many of them are as enforced as seatbelts in a car but I think that's rather self-evident.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
1 point

They should have seat belt enforcement but really who forgets to put their seat belt on before they drive? I always wear a seat belt and I don't see how hard it is to put one on. Its not that hard.

A person with common sense should know they should be wearing a seat belt the police doesn't even have to give out a ticket for not having a seat belt if people would put them on.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
1 point

You, by all means, have every right to put your own dumb ass in danger, but the moment your body becomes a 80mph human shaped bullet inside of a steel cage I am also contained in, you have endangered my life, and all precaution necessary to prevent this is due.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
Goolihan(47) Disputed
1 point

What about when I'm on my motorcycle? Should I strap myself to the bike. And again I must not be making myself clear, I'm not asking whether a seatbelt is good or bad, I'm asking whether or not the government should give citations for this heinous crime.

Side: Liberty to choose
Goolihan(47) Disputed
1 point

No need to call anyone a dumbass for questioning illogical laws. If you've forgotten it's not guaranteed that a seatbelt will always save you.

Side: Liberty to choose
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
1 point

Look, I'm not trying to call you a dumbass, it's more 'you' in the sense of 'those applicable'. No it isn't guaranteed a seat belt will always save you, but it saves you more times than not. I fail to see how that last part was mentioned. Also equally as notable:

If you've forgotten it's not guaranteed that a A) life jacket, B) bungee cord, or C) superhero... will always save you.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
1 point

If your kid was killed in an accident not wearing a seat belt I bet your opinion may change a bit.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement
1 point

And you later found out, that if he/she was wearing a seat belt they would have lived. You would appreciate a law that protects their safety, even if it says click it or ticket.

Side: Seat Belt enforcement