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Should we really respect "others beliefs".
I'm going to keep this short.
I often hear this sentance thrown about in religious debates, usually when people start to get offensive or offended by certain comments made, some could be considered extremely crass while others are just stating a fact. however This statement contradicts the popular "everyone has a right to believe in what they want" statment.
An idea of when this statement is usually used;
I can believe in whatever i chose
Christians can believe in what ever they chose
Christian believes in inteligent design
Christian believes non believers will be tortued in eternity
I belive that christinaty is bullshit and doesn't warrent any respect
*Gasp* "You should respect others beliefs
we'd probably all get along and respect each others opinions, but what about muslims who think shirai law should be enforced in the U.K and U.S.A. is that respectable. i know this post is way too unballanced, but
I think other peoples beliefs should be respected, you dont have to agree and debate and argue the point all you like but my opinion is show respect no matter how stupid the belief
I am sorely wishing for a Neutral, third option, as I am neither for nor against this. Yes, we should tolerate others' beliefs, or at least respect the person. No, we shouldn't let others' beliefs step all over what is right. There are certain religions who believe in executing certain people for their beliefs, but does this make it right to murder? No.
I am of the position that I will tolerate your beliefs, unless it directly contradicts my own. In which case, I will speak my mind on the subject whilst remaining tolerant of the person, at the very least.
There are a few exceptions but I will not get into them here.
You should respect their beliefs regardless if there different from you. You can still be friends with other people who have the same belief but don't talk about them because then it will break your friendship.
Telling others you will burn in hell forever simply because they don't share your opinions/beliefs is not respect. Beliefs that say everyone else who is not of the same will be tortured forever does not deserve respect, ever!
Nummi, you are just using an example of a disrespectful thing that the religious can say- that is not always necessarily said by all Christians. This is the equivalent of 'atheist beliefs say everyone else who is not Atheist are gullible dumbasses.' - even though this is not always necessarily said by all Atheists.
That the religious can say? They can say it and they do say it. Even if they do not say it it is what they believe, it is what they think actually is true!
Someone is a "gullible idiot" when that someone takes nonsense as real.
That the religious can say? They can say it and they do say it. Even if they do not say it it is what they believe, it is what they think actually is true!
The same as we say to them about how gullible and stupid they are to believe in false things. Both statements are disrespectful in both ways.
Someone is a "gullible idiot" when that someone takes nonsense as real.
But it is just as offensive to say that what they have believed in, loved and had a connection with all their life was but a stupid lie, and that they were stupid for believing it.
With respect, it's not about enforcing what you believe is true, it's about keeping silent those offensive remarks on how religion is a lie, and accepting their way of life without necessarily believing it.
Both sides are both guilty of insulting each other, so it is not worth it to just put one side in the spotlight.
I don't tell my friends who are non-believers they will burn in hell because if I do tell them that then they wouldn't be my friends anymore and if I pointed their error of their ways they would get upset.
You should tell that to RandomDude because he says it all the time I haven't said it in a long time so I don't know why your picking on me and telling me what to do. I
But you believe they will burn in hell, because they are not of the same beliefs/opinions - dictated by the scripture you follow or at least pretend to follow!
You believe they will burn in hell, because you have to believe it! If you don't believe it then good roasting to you.
Yes I believe they will burn in hell if they don't make that choice. If they choose not to believe in God then they send themselves to hell due to what they choose out of free will.
And that is exactly why your beliefs/opinions should not be respected.
Everyone has free will, as do you. You have chosen to believe that those who are not of the same opinions or beliefs will burn in hell forever. Since you can choose to believe differently, since you can change you opinions, not only your beliefs but also you do not deserve respect.
So that is why you insult me all the time because you don't want hear what I have to say. Do you think you can stop me from saying those's things? No, you can't and yet I have to put up what you have to say and you don't see me saying bad things about what you believe now do I?
Its true that those who don't want to believe in God for the rest of their lives will go to hell because that tells God they don't want to believe in me on this earth and thus you will be eternally separated from Him.
If there is something wrong with a person then that person should exert some effort to correct him or herself. This applies to you. If you have no desire to correct yourself and all you want to do is spew nonsense then keep your crap to yourself. You are forcing your idiotic bullshit onto others by saying they will absolutely burn in hell that doesn't even exist, because their opinions differ - not respectful at all.
you don't see me saying bad things about what you believe now do I?
That's because I don't believe anything, for one. And also, what I say is not nonsense unless spewing nonsense was my intent all along, and it's not.
Its true that those who don't want to believe in God for the rest of their lives will go to hell because that tells God they don't want to believe in me on this earth and thus you will be eternally separated from Him.
Exactly what I was referring to - nonsense. And not just, but nonsense you think actually is real and as such you absolutely believe people who differ in mind will be tortured forever. Not only disrespectful but you are also a bad person.
Of course you say it as it is because when you start insulting someone you don't feel guilty for what you said because your indifferent.
If you have no desire to correct yourself and all you want to do is spew nonsense then keep your crap to yourself.
I am sorry but I can't keep it to myself I am suppose to tell everyone about my beliefs and share it so that everyone will have an opportunity to hear about Jesus. And you can't stop me so I don't know why you continue to say thing like keep it to yourself and all that other stuff.
You are forcing your idiotic bullshit onto others by saying they will absolutely burn in hell that doesn't even exist, because their opinions differ - not respectful at all.
I do correct myself and I don't need someone like you to correct me because you have your own problems and I have my own but I don't need correction from an atheist who hasn't been saved and has more problems then I do
I am not forcing anything upon anyone its their decision if they want to hear about Christ or learn about Him. If they tell me they don't want to then I move on to the next person.
Like not being open to what I have to say and your close-minded and don't want to listen. I listen to your stuff even if it is crap that you spew or something I disagree with. And yet you don't take the time to listen what my beliefs had to say. It has to work both ways not just your way of things.
That's because I don't believe anything, for one. And also, what I say is not nonsense unless spewing nonsense was my intent all along, and it's not
Yes you do believe in something its called athiesm a lack of belief in God. You also believe in secular humanism where man is the source of all cause which is flawed because we didn't create everything like for example this earth or the people in it.
Exactly what I was referring to - nonsense. And not just, but nonsense you think actually is real and as such you absolutely believe people who differ in mind will be tortured forever. Not only disrespectful but you are also a bad person.
That's your opinion of what kind of person I am but I am just going to shrug it off because I don't really care what you insult me about.
When I say something, insulting someone never comes to mind, unless it is obvious that the opponent might take it that way. But why should I care? Why should I lie and keep myself back because someone doesn't like what I have to say, even though it is concluded from their own opinions? If you don't like something I say, if that something reflects reality, then it is your problem, not mine.
I am sorry but I can't keep it to myself I am suppose to tell everyone about my beliefs and share it so that everyone will have an opportunity to hear about Jesus.
By raving lunacy? Why should anyone listen to delusions? Why should anyone listen to someone insane?
Delusions, insanity, and stupidity require criticism, and always will. How else are people like you supposed to learn? If so very many point out your flaws, something, eventually, should get through and should stir a speck of sanity from somewhere deep within.
And you can't stop me so I don't know why you continue to say thing like keep it to yourself and all that other stuff.
Of course I can't (actually, it's wouldn't...) stop you, it's something you have to do yourself.
I do correct myself and I don't need someone like you to correct me because you have your own problems and I have my own but I don't need correction from an atheist who hasn't been saved and has more problems then I do
Exactly what I was talking about - forcing your crap onto others as if it is real. It's not real.
You do not correct yourself, because you're still insane. You still take fantasy as reality. And so, every bit you say that goes against reality needs criticism.
An atheist? I don't call myself one.
Hasn't been saved? From what? From some fantastical stuff you take as real? Not real, is made up. There's no saving anybody, including yourself, because it all is made up.
I have more problems than you? In what way exactly? I'm not the one whose mind is a mess.
I am not forcing anything upon anyone its their decision if they want to hear about Christ or learn about Him.
Saying if you do not embrace this and that you will suffer, will be tortured, forever is forcing your crap onto others. It is forcing because what you say includes threats. It is a threat!
Take in parallel someone threatening a person with death if that person doesn't do something. This is exactly the same, simply one minor difference - instead of an actual possibility of going through with the threat, if ignored or not done, there isn't one. So it's an empty threat, but one nonetheless.
So, next time you say something like what you have so many times, think first a little bit.
If they tell me they don't want to then I move on to the next person.
How about not saying anything at all? How about not shoving your nonsense onto others in the first place? You saying those things is the same as quoting any fantasy story ever written, or anything based off of those stories. It is exactly the same.
Like not being open to what I have to say and your close-minded and don't want to listen.
I am very open, but I don't listen to nonsense. Why should I? None of the things you've said make sense, they can't, and can't because they're not based on reality.
You are the one closed-minded. You have been showed flaws in the things you take as real so many times and in so many ways, and you still take that same fantasy as reality. When you say someone is closed-minded you should really first look at yourself.
I listen to your stuff even if it is crap that you spew or something I disagree with.
I don't spew crap, you do. You take mine as crap because unlike yours mine is based on reality. The only reason (or just the main reason...).
And yet you don't take the time to listen what my beliefs had to say.
They say nothing! Honestly, if I want to hear some fantasy stuff I'll just read a fantasy book.
It has to work both ways not just your way of things.
For it to work both ways both sides must be open, you are not open. If you were open you'd have realized long ago that your beliefs are nonsense, and because of that you'd have corrected yourself.
Yes you do believe in something its called athiesm a lack of belief in God.
Wrong. I do not believe in anything. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god, it does not require belief. Anyway, I don't call myself an atheist. The only connection with atheism I have is that I fall under its definition by having no belief in any gods.
"Lack of belief" means "unbelief". You're not good with understanding context, are you? In the phrase "lack of belief" you have to take all those three words together as one to understand what is meant by them.
You also believe in secular humanism where man is the source of all cause which is flawed because we didn't create everything like for example this earth or the people in it.
I don't believe in it. I don't believe in anything, as I've said many times elsewhere also.
All opinions I have I have come up with on my own. In fact, when I read "secular humanism" I had to recheck what exactly it means to know what you meant by it. And while at it I realized that you don't know what it means either...
I don't need nor want any preconceived ideas to form opinions. And if I do confront some I always look at them critically.
That's your opinion of what kind of person I am but I am just going to shrug it off because I don't really care what you insult me about.
Is it freewill when a baby is born in an isolated country/place and have no knowledge of the Christian religion, therefore making them unable to know about Jesus, let alone to 'accept him in your life'.
Is it freewill to be born with psychological problems that dictate the way they behave, causing them to murder someone, that would not of happened, had they not been born with psychological problems?
Is it freewill for a child to be born in an Atheist family, and have their parent's influence to brush onto them to make them not want to follow any religions including Christianity?
I know how to think as well as you do and I wasn't brainwashed into believing or forced to believe what I believe today. It was a choice and a decision that I had made out of free choice, just like you choose not to believe it.
There is no magic and talking animals.(except that one story where God opened the mouth of a donkey)
Oh I well have kids and you won't stop me from having them and how dare you say that I hope you don't have kids. What is up with you thinking that way that I shouldn't have kids? That is plain stupid and foolishness and foolish person would say that kind of things.
Plus why all of sudden are you attacking me? You don't respect my beliefs is that it? I am fine believing what you believe I don't start attacking you or other people now do I? So if I were you I would just leave me alone and let me walk my own path and you do yours and that solves everything its people like you who starts attacking me like you did the first time when you said "it sounds like your ashamed."
Of course that I don't respect your belief that "a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."
It would be really stupid from me think that any of that is real. Your belief is a bronze age bullshit. Talking snake, magical tree, rib woman, man from mud, flat Earth ... are you really so dumb?
Everyone has their own opinions on everything and if you don't respect my beliefs that is fine because a lot of people are going to dislike what I believe in. Then your just going to have to deal with it because you can't change me and you will never change me.
It never says in the Bible that the world was flat. Where does it say? Go to Isaiah 40:22 it explains that the world was round.
The thing I don't understand about the 'earn their respect' code is which side would even want to be the little bitch to earn the other side's respect in the first place. Both sides are too egotistical to do this, and the 'earn respect' is a little egotistical itself which cancels it out. Just tolerate each others beliefs at the same time (if that is possible.)
Yes, I think. I dont think that respect is just accepting that a religion is true or what. I think that respect should be done in considerate of the person and not just because they believe in a different thing.
I believe respect is something that you should always have because a society can't exist without a certain degree of respect for one another.
And by the way, Hell is not meant to just be a place to throw nonbelievers. It is meant to be a compelling factor. It is meant to be the kick in the butt that gets christians out of their comfort zone by saying, "if you care about anyone but yourself, you won't let them burn for eternity!"
One of the main things I have learned in my time as a philosopher is that nothing can actually be known. That is unless senses, memory, and experience were objective and infallible, but they are not. Also, two sides of an argument are just two ways of explaining the same thing, which just goes to show that either are plausible, but neither could ever be truly known or deemed correct. The only reason there are different ways of seeing the same thing is because not everyone sees things in the same way so not only can they never be right, but neither can you. Things can only be logical of illogical.; not right or wrong.
Respect is something that should be given not for the other side but for oneself. How can one be respected if one does not give respect. Even if you earn respect from others, if you don`t know how to give respect then you shall be hated nonetheless.
The validity of something does not necessarily dictate the act upon giving respect to. How can one claim to be logical if one is immature and disrespectful to such beliefs?
We can respect others' beliefs, including Muslims, without adopting Shira law. That law is for a country which wants its religion to run its politics, which the US does not. Here, "church and state are supposed to be separate."
We should respect others beliefs. That doesn't mean you have to like them or even support them. But in order for humanity to coexist, we need tolerance. If we are not tolerant of others we fight. And when we fight people die. Not all beliefs should be respected. The terrorist believe we should die in the name of their religion. I dint respect that and never will. But I respect their faith. Because the faith itself is harmless. So yes, we should respect other beliefs but that doesn't mean submit to them.
It's hard as a Christian to respect people who deny their maker and mock the one who died to take their place, but I do anyway because it's the Christlike thing to do.
It's hard as a Wicce to respect those who's holy book says that we should all be killed.
It's hard as a scientist to respect those who continually refute what gave them their modern cushy lives and medecines so they don't die of cholera or tb.
It's hard to respect anyone that believes that I should burn in hell.
Imploying humor as a means of support in a debate is ridiculous. One can believe in science and religion. Science tells how it's all here but not why. Science can't answer the transcadental questions that religion does, so it isn't illogical to be religious. Sir Isaac Newton believed in God and he invented calculus, I'm not so sure that you at your computer are so easily dismissive of a theory that one of the greatest mind's in human history so much adored. That is unless your brilliant mind can explain the movement of planets without calculus..
Like every scientist, Newton believed in things that were untrue. For one, Newton thought the universe was static in position and infinite in span; modern science has proven these beliefs false. More importantly, Einstein and others showed that Newton's Laws are not universally applicable. Newton was also an anti-trinitarian. Should we tell all Catholics and many Protestants, "Newton rejected the Holy Trinity and he invented calculus, therefore if you don't reject the Holy Trinity too you must reject calculus and the laws of motion"?
Next, the limits of our certainty in no way verify the existence of a god. What does a lack of knowledge verify? Absolutely nothing. Fortunately, the human race has been endowed with minds brilliant enough to always push forward into the uncertainty. If everyone shared your thinking, we would have been satisfied with the Sumerian Pantheon.
Ad Hominem fallacy! Very good response. Honestly I'm pretty sure I wrote that to fuck with someone who wrote an unintelligent argument. I just like to make idiots who don't know what they're talking about confused or at least willing to write a good argument. I would never use such a weak argument against someone with a good argument. Thank you fir shitting on my face though :)
People are stupid and they need to be reminded of that. Their stupidity implies that their belief system is also stupid. Especially if they hold on to it as something that is immutable. Smart are those who can change their belief system at will..., as often and as quickly as the situation calls for. Which is why I will now post on the other side ;)
Respect can mean many things: that we allow it to be believed, that we honor it as a belief, that we honor the people, that we.... What does "respect" mean?
Belief can mean many things as well: an opinion, a fact, a mixture of facts and opinion, religious ideologies, ... What does "belief" mean?
Should people understand and tolerate differences in opinions? I would say expecting every person to see things the same way as you- one of 6 billion people- is silly and such a thing is improbable. It is only logical to understand that people are going to think differently, but maybe coexistence isn't valuable to you.
I'm going to call the logical fallacy in the preposition (re: Muslims in the UK that want sharia law). That's not a belief, that's a want of a particular sub-group of the British Muslim population. Now, while there are some statistics that suggest that a very high percentage of British Muslims want sharia law, the methodologies used to collect those statistics are highly suspect. It doesn't match with the perceptions of what's going on at ground level. Also, you don't ask a politically conservative right-wing organization to collect statistics on a group that it is ideologically prone to hate. That is called "bias".
Anyway, to the actual question of should we respect one anthers beliefs; I would say "no". We should respect the person; but not necessarily the ideas. While I'm a Muslim, I would maintain that you should have every right to both question and disagree with my beliefs. I would, however, anticipate being respected at a personal level, even if my theistic beliefs are not respected.
What you shouldn't do is to placate beliefs. I want you to question my beliefs and I want to question your beliefs. That questioning process isn't going to go very far if we hold onto the idea of their being taboo topics than cannot be questioned.
Why should anyone give respect to people who believe in fairy tales ? The telescope has been around for hundreds of years and has proven that the little points of light in the night sky are stars and planets. Every time I hear a reference to "heaven above", the "man upstairs" or other garbage like that I realize that most people are just stupid.
I was about to be on the side of respecting everyone's beliefs when i read the definition of the word and became confused.
A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
In that regard to respect something you don't believe in is just wrong. You can't admire something you see as damaging, that's like saying respect Hitler's choice to have the Jewish people eliminated.
I believe that rather than respecting other's beliefs, we should be tolerate of their right to have them.