My position is not hypocritical at all. I want abortion banned not legal. You on the other hand want it legal...but then you don't.

Pain has nothing to do with whether or not a living human being should be slaughtered in the womb. You either respect life or you don't. YOU DON'T. So you try to come up with ways to make your position look humane. Gee if it can't feel...ok to kill. Absurd. Hitler also probably thought that gassing the Jews was also the humane way to do it.

Abortion is never a necessity unless the mother is dying in the hospital....this rarely but never happens. But to those with a "killing solves every problem" ( both personally and socially) abortion is the saving grace. Hitler had the same ideas.

I do not have to do research on this...you do. Adoption has nothing to do with killing living children. It only does to people like you who thinks killing them is better than life in an adoptive family. You presume to know what their lives would be like...you have NO RIGHT to do this.

I am close to this issue...very close. A soldier is close to the battlefield that he serves on....is that a bad thing?

I happen to work in this field. I have for over 13 years....with pro-life groups...Silent No More, Right to Life in my state, Operation Rescue, and my local CPC. I have seen it all, heard it all. I travel around to conventions,universities, colleges...fairs, Womens Expos, churches, schools....etc. I march in peaceful demonstrations. I picket and hand out information at PP clinics. I am very involved in abortion.

No condolences to me....but to the child I killed...fine. You have no clue, no idea what the majority of women believe about abortion. Basically as I said it is taboo to talk about.

Ever hear someone say....."hey thousandin1...can't have lunch tomorrow gonna get an abortion." Or...."Hey, can't go tonight not feeling well, had an abortion." Or "Hey I know how you feel I had two abortions."

You go to any debate site where abortion is discussed and you not find many women who have had abortions talking about them. Women don't want to talk about it...especially with other people who might judge them. It is one thing you get that you just want to go away. It was not traumatic for me at the time but hit me some 20 years later and about destroyed my life. I had no clue really what I was killing. I wanted and tried to convince myself it was just a blob of tissue. That is not the case as I found out from a doctor in a hospital who was taking care of my niece who was born at 23 1/2 weeks.

It makes me sick to my stomach to hear you say that killing children because they MIGHT NOT FIND A HOME...is better than giving them life. As I said...your worldview and Hitlers are very close.

I call it as I see it. You are pro-abortion and you do not value the life in the womb. You told me point blank I was to close to this issue to be objective....so if you can do it..so shall I.

The fact is....you are a man...and society says you don't matter in this. It is not your body, not your choice. The only reason your an issue is for monetary reasons. You should not even have a say or an opinion really...right?

If you want abortion legal for any reason....I question your morality..and your love of children...you bet I do.

No I am not. We are here to do what......you tell me? Is this a serious debate site or one for kids to just play around in?

I try to provide evidence for what I am stating. I certainly would not resort to swearing or making pot shots at people.

Sentence enhancers? LMAO

The fact is you have a potty mouth which takes away from anything constructive you could ever say.

Is happiness childish? Depends on what the action is...that expresses it.

I believe at conception that the life is a person and so does society or we would not be debating that fact here... or have debated it in the past. Abortion still after being legal for over 40 yrs still a hot topic that still divides the nation and families. It is taboo today as most women will not admit to having one. Why? Have you ever had one to know? You never see television programs where the characters nonchalantly mention they have had or are getting an abortion do you? No. People don't discuss it...because it is about killing and that is personal when you are the one who has killed. Pro-aborts like to detach themselves from the personhood argument...why? Because then..if they convince themselves that which is being slaughtered isn't a person, abortion isn't so bad. No woman would need an abortionist if there wasn't killing involved. Someone has to kill to make the procedure successful. The abortionist kills the life. It is not the life of a rock, or a hamburger or a cow. It is the life of a living human...that if left alone would become.......like we are. You were a person after you were conceived did you know that? And your mother obviously allowed you to live...she recognized YOUR PERSONHOOD.

Louise Brown was the worlds first test tube baby. Was she conceived in her mothers womb? No. She was conceived in a test tube. She became all she would ever be in THAT TEST TUBE. She only grew and used her mothers womb to grow. She was a person.

Being human....?

Why don't you show me why the life does not deserve to be called part of the human race?

God was not drunk...but you might be.

We have free will...if you fail...you did it yourself. There is a difference between wrong and right. You do not have to choose to do bad....its the blame game for you humanists. Everyone is at fault but you guys.

He created that turtle that little guy for you to enjoy. And you said the turtle is loving its surroundings. But your turtle could die I hate to tell you. Because you can't control what he thinks or does. He might get a disease? In fact they can make you sick as they carry salmonella in their urine. And chances are if this little guy gets bigger he will outgrow his tank and need to get into a bigger tank or you will have to release him to a place where he has room.

Can't answer it can you? LMAO

I am not claiming to know and prove. You are.

What was that first cause...if God was not the intelligent designer?

I do have a position and it is not hypocritical like yours.

Pain is the only issue for you. If something can feel pain then ya can't kill it. If it doesn't ya can. How absurd that reasoning is.

My niece was born at 23 1/2 weeks...she felt pain. She had multiple surgeries as she was in the hospital for over 5 months. You would have said she couldn't feel pain that aborting her would be ok.

Killing a living human being is wrong whether they can feel it or not. And there are methods to use to make sure the unborn can't feel pain.

Abortion is brutal. Have you ever seen one? What is your connection to this issue?

Is there something wrong with abortion? yes or no

Ya can't sit the fence on this one. You either are pro-life or you are not. Your position is immoral on every level.

You are pro-abortion in every sense of the word. You don't care if the unborn are killed. You are trying to talk yourself into making your position moral...and it's not.

I do NOT HAVE TO RESEARCH THIS...I KNOW FIRST HAND ABOUT ABORTION. What really ticks me off are people who pretend to know and don't. Ever had one?

Ever felt a child move inside your body? Ever see your child's ultrasound? Ever hear the machine that tears the living child apart?

You know nothing apart from what you read.

I have had an abortion and I know...all about it. I has affected my life since getting one in 1978.

Adoption has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS issue.

You hate children.

This is the thing......and the question for you people who reject God to answer.

If God did not create the universe who did? What is the first cause? How did everything come to be.

Try with every fiber in your beings to answer this without acting like children. Because if you can't that means you can't address the issue.

Could you please answer a few questions for me.

You obviously are a pagan and denounce God. With that said....could you address the first cause. What was that first cause that set everything in motion. And then tell me how much faith it takes to believe what you believe.

Thanks.

You want me to mention God so you then can discredit that argument?

I am a Christian and I believe we were....before we were even in the womb. But one need not be a person of faith to acknowledge what science says..that a new human beings life starts at conception.

DEfend the position that from conception it isn't what science says it is.

What is the blob you are talking about?

From the second the egg and sperm unite and fertilization takes place...it is a human being. It has everything it needs to become a living functioning member of society. It is not a part of its mother other than using her body as a safe place to grow.

A blob? Nothing could be further than the truth.

It is a developing organism from the start....not a blob.

"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."

[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

Highly specialized cells.....does not sound like a blob to me.

"The zygote contains DNA from the mother and the father, combined to form the full set of genetic material that will control the cellular production of the new baby. In some cases, two eggs are released in the same menstrual cycle, and they are both fertilized, forming two zygotes. If both zygotes develop, they become fraternal twins. The process of producing identical twins involves only a single zygote, which forms into an embryo before dividing into two separate bodies. As the zygote travels down the fallopian tube and into the uterus, it divides and replicates itself. Once it has formed a ball of cells, it is referred to as a blastocyst."

The blastocyst implants itself in the wall of the mother's uterus within a few days of fertilization. There, it continues to grow rapidly, into a ball of several hundred cells. Most of the ball is only one layer of cells thick. This part of the ball becomes the placenta, an organ that serves as a connector to the bloodstream of the mother and helps to mediate development. One region of the blastocyst is three to four cells thick. This region eventually becomes the embryo itself."

"The embryo floats in a thin, fluid-filled membrane called the amniotic sac. It is connected to the placenta via the umbilical cord. During this stage of baby development in the womb, the human shape becomes recognizable. The spinal cord and brain are clearly differentiated from the rest of the body. The heart forms and begins to beat. The arms and legs sprout at the beginning of this stage; by the end, fingers and toes form. As the brain develops, it starts to produce electrical activity doctors can record. The nerve impulses produced by the brain begin to cause the muscles to contract and move.

Teratogens are agents that can cause birth defects by disrupting normal development in the womb. Drugs, alcohol, infection and radiation are the most common teratogens. According to the National Institutes of Health, the embryo is especially sensitive to teratogens because of the great amount of developmental change that occurs during this stage. For this reason, expectant mothers are strongly encouraged to avoid exposure to teratogens during this stage of development."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/95008-baby-development-stages-womb/#ixzz2iN76BXfZ

Blob is not the right term to use...human being is. But if blob makes you feel better about the issue of abortion and what your actually killing then by all means use it.

Some peoples hearts are just hardened. If you can't see the humanity in all this then you never will. What is obvious is that you don't respect human life. Killing is your solution to all things...especially getting rid of a child. What gives you that right?

Your entire position is hypocritical. You believe women should have choice...you have an opinion on when life should be saved and when killing it is ok....and then you say that late term abortion is wrong...just because an unborn can feel.

Do you know for a fact that someone who is so called brain dead can't feel.

You say consciousness doesn't matter that it does not take place in the womb...but later...(which is absurd) but that pain matters. LMAO

What if the abortionist makes sure pain isn't an issue...and then kills the unborn would that make you feel better?

Your position is all over the board on this.

Excellent response.....I believe God steps back and allows us to exersize free will. I do not believe God creates people to do evil.

I will not talk to a pagan about my Lord....you are here to demean the faith. Some hearts are hardened...yours is one of them.

Do you have to swear really?

Did you read the evidence I gave as to when science says...A NEW HUMAN LIFE STARTS?

Abortion is killing a living human being. FACT

You call it medical procedure....can you name another medical procedure like it? No...this one kills a living human being. But you pro-aborts try to use more user friendly terms...its killing....it is a procedure that ends, terminates...a life already started, that if left alone would surely be born healthy. In fact you were born that way. You were not terminated, but allowed to live. You help paint a bulls eye on every unborn in the womb.

Your position is hypocritical however. You are wrong....it is a human being, science and our laws say it is.

You talk about choice. Ok...a woman has the right to choose...she alone makes the decision. You say there should be no control on her decision because obviously it is her body.

Then you mention that you think it becomes more of a human when it develops a brain and starts to feel. Could you tell me when that is? Give me the exact time....as we are dealing with killing a life ok?

You talk about legal boundaries...which throws your position into hypocrisy. At that time...YOU WANT TO TAKE THE WOMANS RIGHTS AWAY AND ENSLAVE HER TO YOUR WARPED SENSE OF MORALITY. What makes you think that you can do this? You tell those that want abortion banned they don't have a right...and then you turn around and do the same thing.

You are a hypocrite about abortion.

How did you come up with 20 weeks? LMAo Its a crap shoot for you.

Your position is a joke.

So what about late term babies....are they just a hunk of mass?

You are pro-abortion throughout the nine months right? Or do you want to enslave the woman to your morality?

Did you know when the heart starts beating? Do you know anything about fetal development?

What is your position on abortion?

A pagan trying to understand the Law. Christ came because the Law could not be followed perfectly. We are not held to the Law today. Christ fulfilled it.

You say no offense intended...not sure I am buying it.

It takes the Holy Spirits help to interpret the Word. Do you have the Holy Spirit?

His Wrath will be poured out on unbelievers.

If you do not have the Holy Spirit you have head knowledge of the Bible...you do not know it perfectly. To even say that is absurd.

If you were an expert...you would know about the Law and you clearly do NOT.

Jesus isn't a religion He is Christianity. And being a Christian is about having a personal relationship with HIm.

And people can be brainwashed to beleive anything even the lies about Christ that the humanist tells.

But you certainly feel the need to swear dont' you?

The statement in the way it was said...was childish.

"If you look at the World's main religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hindu, etc.) and many ancient polytheistic religions (Greek, Roman, Egyptian, etc.), they all have a similar story, which fits along this outline. Names obviously aren't the same and stories are a bit different, but if you look at those stories in a metaphorical sense... they're pretty similar.

Christianity is just a term. Modern Christians are obviously monotheistic, but I think it is very possible that the Bible originally spread a polytheistic message."

They don't all say the same thing, they are all different. They don't even pray to the same God.

Different religions make different truth claims on a number of basis issues and they all claim exclusivity.

If we lived with the belief that there is no truth....everything would go...be allowed and everything would be acceptable.

How could we live like that as societies around the world?

There is cause and effect however...

What was the first cause...the first truth?

Well...lets see. I think it's a really complexed question but I will try.

It all boils down to CHANCE...with me. The chance that an egg..or the eye..or our entire planet just came into existence by random chance....not buying it. Is it impossible that a molecule just happened by chance?

Then how about cause and effect? Did something come from nothing? Just some random chance event in perfect harmonious unity so that everything works?

Am I to believe that the cosmos in all of its complexity was created by chance?

R.C Sproul said this..."chance is magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing."

So chance implies no design or designer. The eye as I said is a complexed property.

This is what Darwin had to say about this. "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”

Ok the egg....it is one of the most highly organized and complexed structure in all the world. Sperm meets egg...and a human is created...an animal created so small it can't be seen by the human eye....microscopic with all it needs genetically. It is as small as a grain of salt and yet it has all the instructions it needs to develop.

Now look at our earth...precision and design. Ocean tides, gravitational pull of the moon....coming together perfectly. Even the temperatures on earth...our closeness to other planets. If we were closer to the sun we would burn up...further away we would freeze.

Random Chance? No way. That would take a lot of faith to believe.

Swearing and acting like he did is childish....it shows lack of substance.