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Atheist Christian or something else
Debate Score:42
Arguments:18
Total Votes:47
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Atheist, Christian or something else? Why?

How have you arrived at your current set of (or lack of) beliefs?

Was it a careful examination based on an objective set of theories (and/or subjective life experiences)?

Age 15 - were you cognizant of what you felt was the truth?

How about at age 20?

You were just a kid at these ages, so let's try age 25 (arguably still a kid)? :)

35 or a specific age thereafter?

You get the picture... :)

 

What sorts of inquiries/discoveries have you made that have influenced (or further influenced as the case will undoubtedly be for many of you) your thoughts on the 'origin' of human life?


BTW - Anyone can be on any side - please support your responses when and where you can!


Also - Your argument is not necessarly complete or incomplete due to your age... everyone's experience is WELCOME and may be shared!  TY!

Atheist

Side Score: 26
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Christian or something else

Side Score: 16
4 points

Beliefs are ever changing, and science is still learning, but the theory of gravity remains 'valid' just as the theory of evolution remains 'valid'... "(Some) Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night — Isaac Asimov"

Side: Atheist
2 points

I was raised a Christian and believed by due to that, but when I began to question it. Religion makes no sense when looked at in relation to tall the religions of the world and what we know objectively.

Up to about 10 I was a firm believer. After that I began to question. By 14 was the first atheist I knew. I have never read any atheist materials etc. I have remained an atheist ever since and I am now 49.

Side: Atheist
2 points

I was born an atheist and raised christian. after 22 years i finally got tired of making excuses for doctrinal inconsistency and accepted that many questions only answer themselves satisfactorily when you admit there is no reason to believe in a god. a perfect example: 'the problem of evil.'

what blocked me from accepting reality all those years was my own emotional needs. the need for consolation, a need to place order behind worldly and universal chaos. something to help with the realization of man's nakedness in a barren wilderness of astonishing beauty and intolerable cruelties. no. the universe does not exist for my pleasure. I'm am not at it's epicenter, and my feelings are not a consideration with regard to its truth and the facts of human existence.

Side: Atheist
2 points

really im more agnostic than anything. i believe god can never be proven or disproven so there really is no point pondering his existence. the point is we have a universe, we should learn all about it wether there is a god or not. if you were to ask me instead of giving you this spiel i would say im either atheist or plainly a skeptiic. i wouldnt say ii believe in god but wouldnt say 100% i doubt his existence.

Side: Atheist
2 points

I often take on the title of atheist as a way to fight the negative connotations it has in our society, although I'm as much of an atheist as I am a Pantheist.

God was a way of making sense of the things people could not understand. Put simply, God is nature Anthropomorphized. Nature is given human characteristics....exaggerated human characteristics, not just any human characteristics but those of a parent. Babies instinctively believe that parents are all-knowing, and are all-powerful. The similarities don't end there. Babies appeal to their parents for things they want. The parent is seen as a protector, a guide, a moral compass, and a loving figure who sometimes punishes us. We have simply given these parental attributes to unseen forces, given it a personality, and called it God. Even religions with many Gods there are often one or two Gods that have distinctively parental characteristics and are regarded above other Gods.

Humans as it turns out are not all that good at understanding processes, we have a strong cognitive tendency towards agency. That is to say we are more quick to understand something as the caused by a person or thing (an agent), than something as a result of a process. Humans believed rain was the result of a divine being before we believed it was a result of evaporation and precipitation.

Stories and myths were one of the primary means of human relation in early human history. People entertained each other with these stories, and sometimes these stories would attempt to explain things people didn't understand. "Where did that come from?" Was often the plot of these stories. It was only natural that these stories would incorporate this divine parental figure. Many of the rules found in religion are just cultural customs and rituals that were absorbed into the religion.

I believe that perhaps there is some organizing force in nature that we don't quite understand yet, but I wouldn't call it God, I wouldn't even call it divine, but nonetheless is ever present in our reality. Something ancient peoples attempted to understand with their primitive minds and did the best they could to understand such a complex thing. We would do best to move past bronze age superstitions.

Side: Atheist
1 point

I consider myself to be an agnostic person, but if I were to vote whether there to be or not to be a God, I would vote for to be.

Until I find out the truth (if I ever do), I stick to not bother with this kind of things or to being a skeptical person.

Side: Atheist
1 point

I have basically always been an atheist even though my mother wanted me to go to church for several years as a child. The reason why I started as an atheist was because my mother didn’t force anything on me, my refusal to participate in and accept the religious ideas was sufficient reason to my mother to allow me to remain home. My parents didn’t force anything and wanted me to learn and be rational as a person

A a child there was little thought about god and religion because it didn’t matter.

By age 15 I had learned a few things about religion and had discussed religion and belief in god with my parents and friends. My parents were both agnostic in their view, trying to actively refrain from influencing my beliefs as much as they could. The idea didn’t make sense to me as a reasonable way to understand life and the world. I was definitely cognizant of my disbelief.

By 20 I was even stronger in my beliefs, I had learned more about the effects religion has on the world and saw first-hand some of the negative elements. One of my friend’s good friends had committed suicide and a believer said to my friend “I am sorry for your loss, but your friend is now burning in hell” (paraphrase). This pissed me off something terrible. I couldn’t believe that people are so deluded to think that religion is any true comfort. I was also aware of the hatred religious people had for one another, and toward homosexuals as well as the conflict with scientific understanding.

By 25 I had become a philosophy major which gave me the skills to understand the debate and ways of thinking on a very deep level. My atheism grew and grew and by that time I had become an anti-theist, actively regarding religion as a degrading phenomenon. I wanted so much to understand why people believed that I took philosophy of religion and learned about how belief was started and progressed throughout the past ~3000 years.

I am only 28 now, but at this point I have come up with a synoptic philosophy in an attempt to account for the nature of existence such that I understand all phenomena. This has given me some insight into the nature of belief and of conceptual perpetuation (god as a meme).

The origin of human life is evolution from the material processes that resulted in abiogenesis. Differentiation and recombination are the two principles that resulted in what we are today and it also describes how human ideas have come into being. If you want to know more about what I think on this, you should visit the facebook page The Order of Harmony, and read the theory of Ontological Harmonescence.

Side: Atheist
4 points

I am raised in a Christian family and all of my family members are Christians. I started being a Christian when I was 5 years old. I knew who Jesus was and I knew He did something for us but I didn't quite understand it until I was older. Once I was age 12 or 13 I started asking myself about Christian stuff. I started reading the Bible more and finding things I didn't know about in the Bible. Then when I was 14 I started finding evidence that God exists and starting understanding that God does exist in my life. When I turned 15 I found even more evidence that supports the Bible's accuracy. I will will be a Christian for the rest of my life. I am never going to turn away from Him. My goal is to get to Heaven with Jesus Christ and many other brothers and sisters who are awaiting me when I get to Heaven.

Side: Christian or something else
NeverUTOG(49) Disputed
3 points

I don't wish to be harsh because I think you are probably still very young--possibly 15--the last age you mention in your argument. I'm assuming that you have a very close and loving relationship with your parents; that you live fairly comfortably; that there's structure in your life; and that generally speaking, life is good. If this is the case, I do hope that life continues to be good to you. Nonetheless, I would suggest that your relative comfort tends to shore up a belief that has not been examined in context of the real world--the world that exists outside your present realm. When you have additional years on you and have had the opportunity to go to college, experience more of life's challenges, and hopefully have travelled, we will re-visit this discussion. You'll have to tell us then about the evidence you have found for the existence of god and the accuracy of the bible. Till then, I wish you an open mind.

Side: Atheist
Srom(12120) Disputed
3 points

I do have evidence of God and the accuracy of the Bible. I could argue about it now with you unless, some other person butts in and starts arguing with me. I know that you are not trying to be harsh. I will face many challenges in my life because it says in the Bible that we as Christians will be tested by God in many different ways and how we treat other people on a daily basis.

Side: Christian or something else
3 points

I guess I'm "something else", lol.

My beliefs are a mixture of science, my own theories and beliefs from other religions that made sense to me. I've always known what I believed, and I'm thankful to have had parents who allowed me to reach my own conclusions. I never went to church, if I asked something like "does God exist?" I got answered with questions. They encouraged me to come up with my own answers before telling me what they believed.

However, I'm not saying that if you had asked a religious question to the 10 year old me I would have been able to answer it. I knew the answers to the questions that were important to me, and as things came up in my life I found more answers. For example, the question of what happens after death didn't occur to me until my grandmother died... and I'm not saying I came to these conclusions instantly either. There was a lot of thinking and writing and drawing and researching before I was certain of my answers - sometimes years later.

I spent a lot of time as a teenager researching religions. I found them fascinating, and that research made my own beliefs evolve, made me ask myself questions I'd never thought to ask before... like "why are we here?"

I'm only 22, so I can't answer all of your questions, but I fully realize I haven't figured everything out yet and it drives me nuts when people think they have. If you don't have the answer, just say so. No one expects anyone to have all the answers, but no one's going to take you seriously if your beliefs and opinions change every day.

One thing I've always believed (at least for as long as I can remember) is that everyone should be accepting of other religions and cultures, and we should all do our best to understand each other... but at the same time, everyone should be able to support their beliefs with something other than "this ancient book said so". I'm not saying it's wrong to follow the bible or the Qu'ran or any of the other books out there - but why are you following the book? Why do you believe it's the word of God? "I believe the bible because the bible said it's the word of God" doesn't work with me.

There is one Jehovah's witness who is allowed in my house, who I actually enjoy sitting down with over a cup of tea when I have time. We will always have differing beliefs, no matter how hard he tries, lol, but we have one thing in common - we believe what we believe because it makes sense to us. He fascinates me because he can actually answer my questions with "I believe" instead of "the bible says", as most of them do. He is completely in love with his religion, he has made it his life - not because someone told him it was right, not because he's never been exposed to anything else (he was raised into a completely different religion), but because he sees it in absolutely every single little thing. You know that feeling you get when someone is talking about the love of their life - that extreme happiness that almost radiates off of them, so that you can't help being extremely happy as well (but a little jealous too)? That's how it feels when you're listening to him talk about how everything leads back to his God... a blade of grass, a book, his children, friendship, souls, snowflakes, seeds... it almost makes me wish I could believe him.

Side: Christian or something else
2 points

I'm so about to go one about my life story. I apologize in advance.

I choose agnostic to describe my beliefs, though I research other religions to piece together my own story of life.

I got to this point because, ironically, Christianity.

When I was growing up I went to church rarely with my mom, who is religious and has a lot of faith in God, she grew up Catholic.

In middle school my best friend at the time, though I hesitate to call her that, was one of THOSE Christians. The one that tries to talk to everyone about God and "make them see the way".

She dragged me to Church, often against my will, and would sit there and tell me how I sin, and need to change my life.

She is the reason I started to question religion. She so eagerly obeyed her parents, and the Church, and it made me wonder, why? She had no individual thought and that always bugged me, and with my mind at the time, I thought it was the religion's fault, so I stopped going.

Now I know better, I know it wasn't the religion but just the kind of church she went to.

But I still had so many questions that I stayed with the thought that there may be a God, gods, or none at all. Or something we can't even fathom.

I just research what catches my interest and make my own beliefs as I go.

I'm only eighteen, and I stopped going to church at fourteen or fifteen.

So I can't answer your questions any further. :)

Side: Christian or something else
2 points

I follow the Jedi covenant. The downside is Jedi are not allowed to get married, but the up side is that you fight in awesome light-saber battles, you get telekinesis, and learn Jedi Mind tricks. If I ever decide to go to the dark side I get finger lightning.

If someone says their religion is better, I'd just zap them with my finger lightning.

Side: Christian or something else
ChuckHades(3179) Disputed
3 points

Dirt Jedi scum! The Sith shall conquer all!

Come on, join the dark side. It's pretty good. We have a book club on a Wednesday at 12, and we play croquet on a Sunday. I have to say, when it comes to croquet, Vader is a beast!

Side: Atheist
4 points

You had me at Croquet.

Side: Atheist