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 Frankenstein 16-20 CHS 3-9-2011 (69)

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Frankenstein 16-20 CHS 3-9-2011

 

Create a response to the following prompt topics. You must create well-written and thought provoking responses.  Each student must respond to at least four of the topics. As you create your responses, vote on the best arguments!!

*Creation of the Monster - Selfishness?
*Responsibility
*Passive Women
*Controlling Emotions
*Comparisons and Contrasts: Victor and the Monster
*Procrastination
*Weather and the Monster

*Comparisons and Contrasts with Gothic works

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3 points

In the Gothic work of literature, Dr. Victor Frankenstein has a responsibility. Although he blatantly disregards this duty by abandoning the creation, he left his monster to wander this Earth as a lonely, repulsive being. Frankenstein’s monster recognizes this disregard in responsibility and addresses his concern to Dr. Frankenstein by provoking him to feel pity on the being and create him a wife. Dr. Frankenstein accepts his fate, yet before the second horrid creature was given the spark of insanity and life, he mutilates the lifeless form, dooming his family and friends to a shortened life. Not only did Dr. Frankenstein relinquish all of his responsibility to the creature by this act, he became responsible for everybody that dies as a result of Dr. Frankenstein’s incompetence. Since Dr. Frankenstein was responsible for the creation of the dastardly beast, he is responsible for every aspect of life that was destroyed by the daemon.

Side: Responsibility
11mrush(9) Disputed
2 points

Frankenstein does have all responsibility of the creation of the monster, the deaths of both William and Justine as well as the possible future deaths of his family but did was he not taking some responsibility by thinking to the future about what this new creature could do to people? His consideration of all the possible outcomes of making another monster that was stronger, bigger and faster than normal human beings should be considered a smart, responsible decision. He not only considered what would happen to his family and his happiness but innocent bystanders that could possibly killed by these monsters and all their possible children.

Side: Responsibility
HayleeAA(4) Disputed
1 point

Frankenstein does have the responsibility of all the lives that were taken by the monster, on the other had Frankenstein wasn't thinking ahead at the facts. The monster asked Frankenstein to make him a wife, the monster also said that they would seclude themselves once she is alive, Frankenstein didn't believe that the monster could convince the girl monster. If the girl monster objected to isolation, eventually she would find out the reason why the first monster wanted to go to a desolate place and the girl monster would find out that she also would want to go, she would also find out why she was created, so that both monsters wouldn't be lonely. Frankenstein also didn't research if the monster's could even have children. Frankenstein didn't think at all about the facts.

Side: Responsibility
1 point

What do these consequences say about Victor's decision making abilities?

Side: Responsibility
1 point

Victor has a horrible sense of direction apaprently. He creates something completely horrendous to appease his sense of curiosity. His thought processes are not completely thought through because once he views his creation, he immediately is disgusted with the sight of the fiend. It seems that Dr. Frankenstein has incomplete thoughts that indulge his imagination. He acts as a child in his endevours because it seems that he acts upon impulse.

Side: Responsibility
1 point

In some ways, it seems that the monster is more logical and even responsible than Victor. The monster feels emotion keenly, alternately becoming furious and anguished, but his actions are carefully thought out. He bases his decision to kill William upon his deep desire for vengeance and his logic that Victor should suffer, not upon pure rage. Victor is ruled more by emotion (consider the antic state in which the monster was created) and less by logic, making him less responsible.

Side: Responsibility
3 points

In regards to the comparisons between Victor and the Monster their behaviors and actions make them out to be opposites of one another. Most specifically, this applies to the interaction and need for human contact. Victor finds himself most stable mentally when he is alone working on the obsession that occupies his mind at the moment. When events of a normal human life plague his delicate psyche he is driven to the point of extreme illness. This is directly contrasted by the Monster and his longing for acceptance. Once the Monster had a chance to observe the real world and have the human experiences of learning about the things around from the feeling of loneliness overpowers him. He yearns for companionship, and this is something that Victor does not desire. This clash of behavior in social circumstances differentiates Victor and the Monster in one of the most important ways in the text.

Side: Victor and the Monster
1 point

What if Victor's and the monster's individual personalities had been switched? Since, as described by Tyler, they have such opposite social habits, the monster craving companionship and the creator craving solitude, it would seem that Victor's temperament would have been better suited for the monster's lifestyle. Victor could have spent his days alone in pursuit of science, while the monster (in Victor's place), would have exulted in the love of friends and family. This may have played a factor in the monster's sense of envy.

Side: Victor and the Monster
3 points

I do not believe that Victor procrastinated in his creation of the female representation of the monster. To procrastinate is to busy one’s self with other tasks and duties, unrelated to the object or goal which they should be completing. Victor was not idle in his thought process. Instead he was anxious and uneasy and he struggled with serious internal conflicts. Whether or not he should create another monster as horrid and vile as the original, was a difficult decision. Murder and destruction of innocent people and property would be at further risk if the plan was a success. Although he had made a promise to his preliminary creation, that he would in fact make a companion to be his confidant, he could not sit well with his decision. The time, effort, and moral ethics it took for him to complete the task would be of great magnitude. Victor was not procrastinating so much as he was conflicted and suffering with the mission he swore to complete.

Side: Procrastination
1 point

I agree completely with the point Rachelle has made that Victor is not actually procrastinating. People may view his reluctancy to create yet another monster to companion his first to be a sign of Victor's procrastination. However, throughout his travels across Europe with his good friend Henry Clerval, he rarely involved himself into the occasions happening in each town as Clerval engaged himself into the fascinating studies. Victor even said that if he were not so tormented by the thought of his duty and promise to the monster that he would enjoy this trip. This represents how Victor rather was afraid to start his project and not that he just procrastinated it.

Side: Procrastination
2 points

After Victor spoke with the monster he reluctantly accepted to making a mate for the monster. Victor feels remorseful towards the monster because of the treatment to him by society. Victor leaves for Geneva and meets with his father. He asks him to get married to Elizabeth but he puts that off for a vacation (which seems like procrastination to his father). When Henry and Victor arrive to England they tour around it and really enjoy the landscape however Victor is constantly being reminded of his pact with the monster. After about a year of not working on it he gets started, only to destroy it in a fit of anger, believing that making a mate with create a spawn of a demon race. Since he procrastinated, his enjoyment of England was at a lesser degree than what it could have been.

Side: Procrastination
cbaker(111) Disputed
2 points

This entirely plot summary, not analysis. Analyze the topics presented.

Side: Procrastination
1 point

Procrastination severely bothers Victor. I found it interesting that Victor claimed he had to go to England in order to create a second monster. He made it while he was in Ingolstadt. I think he went there to forget about his pact but it couldn’t help. He every now and then remember his promise. The sooner he made the creature, the sooner his chains would break. Victor soon concluded it couldn’t work, for the female could have different intentions than the original spawn, perhaps they could have even made a “devil race”. I believe Victor procrastinates because every time he wasn’t working and not thinking about the monster he received a sense of peace. He desired that peace so much that he wouldn’t give in to the monsters demands and would rather die than give the horrible wretch a sensation of belonging, that of which he didn’t deserve because of his obscurity and uniqueness.

Side: Procrastination
2 points

Passive women characters exist in both "Frankenstein" and other Gothic works, like "The Castle of Otranto". The female characters contribute to the story, but don’t serve to actually drive the story or the plot. For example, in Shelly’s “Frankenstein”, Elizabeth is said to be worried sick about Victor, but she never takes it upon herself to actually send a letter directly to him. Instead, she learns of his misadventures through Henry. In "The Castle of Otranto", Hippolita and her daughter only exist in the story to be characters which the events of the story affect. They have no affect on the plot, because they are ancillary characters.

Side: Frankenstein
jordanbaseba(10) Disputed
2 points

Classifying the womens actions as passive is incorrect. You cant just say that the women are passive because they don't change the whole plot. Now in the books we've read like "The Castle of Otranto" and "Frankenstein" the women have actually showed more of being on there own and thinking for themselves than they did in books in the time period before.

Side: Frankenstein
1 point

Elaborate on this idea. What interpretations do you have?

Side: Frankenstein
1 point

What examples are shown of Elizabeth's passive nature in chapters 16-20?

Side: Frankenstein
1 point

Elizabeth seemed excited to be wed to Victor when the idea was brought up. However, she didn't protest when Victor requested a 2 year trip to London, without reason. She simply accepted the fact that he was going on a trip before they married.

Side: Passive Women
1 point

We can agree, by reading through the text, that it is not uncommon for young men to leave for years at a time for opportunities to pursue their dreams. Both Wilson, Victor, and Henry embark on long journeys away from home simply on a whim at points.

Given this, however, Elizabeth is yet softened to Victor's 2 year stint away despite being destined to wed; instead of protesting - as one have might have expected women from Castle of Ontranto to do, had their marriages been happy things - the innocent Elizabeth meekly accepts this and waits for him. Admittedly there is some leeway for this as previously mentioned, but the idea of such a trip before their wedding is an excessive delay, something no rational person would largely stand, especially in the wake of him being gone for so long before when Victor had violated nature itself; the innocent Elizabeth is passive and weak, allowing Victor to do as he pleases without complaint, and her innocence as an ancillary character exposes her composite characterizations of naivety and passiveness.

Side: Passive Women
THallstrom8(10) Disputed
1 point

I would have to disagree with the idea of Elizabeth being passive. Elizabeth, not being the protagonist of the story, has a different set of motives that are unique to her position in the story. She is the one whom should feel most deserted by Victor. They were looking at being married, and she was up and deserted. She does eventually seek out Victor as he begins to act stranger in light of recent events because she wants a definitive answer to if they are going to be married. This type of behavior portrays a stronger woman than most that we have read about thus far.

Side: Passive Women
HayleeAA(4) Disputed
1 point

Towards the end of the book Elizabeth does show signs of being a "strong woman," however as Dallas had said Elizabeth showed no signs of strength through the first half of book. Elizabeth didn't object when Victor left the first time, and she didn't object when he left the second time. Elizabeth starts out as character that just goes with the flow, nevertheless towards the end she becomes stronger and aware that she needs to know what's going on with Victor and his life.

Side: Passive Women
2 points

Victor, as the creator, has a responsibility and a duty towards the creature. He should have took care of the monster in the beginning instead of running away from his duties. If Victor had not ran away from the monster to try to forget what he has created and took care of him instead, then he would not be in this predicament nor would the creature be so violent towards humans.

Side: Passive Women
1 point

What about the negative possibilities of the creation of this monster? Does Victor get any credit for that?

Side: Passive Women
1 point

To a great extent, Victor has failed to fulfill any responsibility placed upon him after the creation of the monster. For instance, he knew immediately that when he saw the monster at the site of his younger brother’s murder that the monster had committed the crime. Victor continuously fought against his thoughts to inform his family that it was his own creation that did such a thing because he assumed that people would declare him insane. He ran away from the truth even to watch a dear friend of his, Justine, to fall victim for the blame. No matter what the consequence Victor should have confessed what he knew and taken the responsibility that came along with his scientific experiment.

Side: Responsibility

Yes, Victor could have stopped a lot of deaths. With the creation of another monster they could have made there own off spring. That being said they could of made a species more dominant than the human species. Victor could not be responsible for more deaths, and didn't want to create more destruction. His decision of destroying the female monster was perfect.

Side: Responsibility
2 points

Both Frankenstein and his monster have issues controlling the strong emotions that they both possess. The most obvious instance of this would be the result of the Monsters anger at both Frankenstein and the rejection of the Delaceys. He kills an innocent child because of his own childlike inability to control his own emotions for long enough to think about what he is doing. Victor while he doesn’t directly kills anyone from his emotions still doesn’t possess the strength to understand that his obsessive behavior is essentially just as dangerous to others as physically hurting them. In the same way Victor also displays is inability to control anything that he feels in a healthy manner by shutting the rest of the world out in a selfish way.

Side: Responsibility
2 points

What about the monster's ability to control his emotions? Look at chapter 16 for details. How does this present the monster in comparison?

Side: Responsibility
1 point

What Meagan says is accurate, but I would like to point out that the monsters anger issues come from Victor, and that goes back to the responsibility of Victor. If, at first, Victor had not been repulsed by the monster's appearance and had actually accepted the monster as a person, the monster wouldn't be in a position where he kills a child because he doesn't understand the rules. If Victor would have taken his responsibility seriously the monster would have been taught the rights and wrongs of the world. As a result of Victor's obsessive behavior and his incompetence, the monster has to suffer and learn everything on his own.

Side: Responsibility
2 points

Henry Clerval and Dr. Frankenstein embarked upon a journey around the world. Although it seemed as a joyous expenditure on Henry’s part, Victor dreaded the vast travelling due to his creation demanding something of him. For nearly five or so months, Victor procrastinated his promise to the daemon who was awaiting his female companion. After ample time, Victor created a second monster, however mutilating the counterpart, Frankenstein’s monster vows to destroy every aspect of his life, which was worse of a punishment because Dr. Frankenstein wasted so much time on his empty promise to the monster that he will complete the task he speaks of. This part of the novel was a digression in the plot, not really pertaining to anything important other than compiling Victor’s stock of chemicals and buying his friends and family more time to live.

Side: Procrastination
2 points

In his criticism of Frankenstein, the monster argues that his creation was "wanton", or deliberate and without moral provocation. In other words, besides his own intellectual gratification, Victor had no reason to create the monster. He did it merely to see if he could, without consideration of the consequences of his actions. Thus, the monster's creation was selfish.

And yet, the monster asks Victor to repeat his selfish action by creating a female. He has logical reasoning behind it, in contrast to Victor, but still, his reasons are selfish. He wants acceptance and companionship, but he does not take into consideration the havoc that a new monster could potentially wreak on the world. Furthermore, the monster is willing to threaten and kill in order to attain a companion, showing that his motives are far from selfless. The exaggerated lengths to which the monster is willing to go also suggest that the monster is the exaggerated form of a human (including having a selfish nature).

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

Frankenstein’s reason to create the monster in the first place was to fulfill his scientific curiosity if he could create life. Previous to and throughout the experiment Frankenstein never once thought of what might result from it. He successfully completed the task only to be shocked with horror from the sight of the monster. The monster then goes neglected in the world on its own, only to be rejected by all of society. Upon returning to his creator the monster proclaims how Frankenstein selfishly made him to advance his knowledge in the scientific world rather to think of any outcome of what he has produced.

Since, the monster has developed on his own he learned by observing human’s actions and emotions. A natural human trait is selfishness. Originally the monster was selfless as he assisted the DeLacey family with firewood and other chores but after his mistreatment the monster became angry and demanded to have someone to be with. If he were not to get his way the monster threatened to harm other humans, exemplifying the concept of selfishness.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

Victor procrastinates the creation of the second monster because of the fact that he does not want to go through with the guilt and horror as he did before with the first creature. Even though he knows that the first monster is watching and following him, he still hesitates a bit before beginning the process. When he is almost complete though, he begins to ponder what would happen in the future if the second creature hold more malice and anger towards man or towards the first creature. Overcome with fear, he destroys his work which leaves the first monster even more distraught and angry than before.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

Victor decides to create a second monster in order to dissolve the ties with him and his original generation. I don’t think this was an act of selfishness because Victor consented to give the monster peace. Victor understood the hate the monster felt and was sorrowful. Originally, I think Victor felt obligated to help the monster since he was the only one in the entire world who knew and understood his existence. Near the end when Victor destroys the second creature (unbeknownst to Victor) I think that was a complete act of unselfishness. Victor stopped the possibility of a “demon race” from spawning by what he did and saving people from the duo’s wrath against humanity.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

Victor, by chapter 19, finds himself once again designing an abomination for reanimation - however, the intent now is far darker than before. Whereas originally, Dr. Frankenstein had been a powerful youth grappling with the laws of nature, breaking the limits of the natural world simply for discovery and adventure's sake (and to prove to himself that he, indeed, could - for his own vanity, of course) he is now a haunted figure driven far into Scotland, a grieving shadow of the man he once was; now constructing a blaspheme under a new taskmaster. The monster, now convinced of his eternal sentence of exile, terrifies Victor into building this new monster - if only to preserve his life, the life of his surviving family, and his own sanity.

The new monster, bereft of any beneficial or proud intent, is instead a tribute to Victor's new sentiment; a fearful one, always regretting and bearing the sin of two deaths for his violation of the natural order, where he can only dream and admire his companion Henry's vivacity that he once shined with before his path twisted into unknown territory. The new Victor, a creature of fear, creates a new monster out of personal terror, as opposed to the first monster, a creature of boasting and beneficial intent.

Victor's new motivations break down very simply as opposed to the complicated relation to the latest creature: a basic fear for his life and sanity, tempted by his lust for peace from his mistakes and empty salvation from his sins against the defined rules of nature, drives him to seek the happy life he had before the monster by sending it away forever, leaving him to some semblance of normalcy. He has the virtue of also sparing the lives of the rest of his family, yet this is less of a selfless quest and more of him correcting his own terrible mistake, which, has already taken two innocent lives, now resting upon his troubled shoulders.

Side: Creating the Monster
1 point

Victor Frankenstein did act selfishly when he discovered he decided to create a being. He wanted to discover something new and scientifically intriguing that would change the world. He did not think of the moral consequences of making a new being on his medical slab in his laboratory. The act of making a human being was incentive enough to start the production of a monster. Although his desire to make this creature was to help the scientific community, he did most of it out of his own selfish desire.

Side: Selfishness
1 point

Victor is a classic example of a character's lack of responsibility being a driving force in the plot. Once Victor is sure that the Monster is responsible for the murder of his brother, William, Victor feels a sense of guilt, but does nothing to rectify the situation. He allows Justine to accept the cruel fate of the guillotine without confessing that he is directly responsible for the source of the problem. This lack of responsibility mirrors Victor's immaturity in his human relationships. Victor's issues with responsibility lead to all the negative connotations of the story.

Side: Responsibility
1 point

Victor's creation of the female monster was not so much procrastination as it was an internal decision. He contemplated the gravity of his actions more than he ever had before. I think that contemplation of "what if the female monster will not go to South America," and "what if this creates even more problems for me" shows a substantial growth in the mental development of Victor. Victor has gone throughout the whole text having his actions based on obsessions, and now it would appear as though his process of depicting a given circumstance has become more realistic and grounded.

Side: Procrastination
1 point

Victor has progressed in his thinking process. Instead of going into the situation hands on he utilizes his brain and formulates scenarios that would become a possible problem. His procrastination is a better, different side of Victor that is unveiled because he learned from his previous creation that composing this monster may result in another destructive position. This also shows that Victor is skeptical in the monster in that he questions whether he will abide by his end of the deal and not return to Europe. In these we can clarify that Victor procrastinates for all the right reasons.

Side: Procrastination
1 point

Upon the creation of the monster, Victor had a responsibility for taking care of it. He should have 1) killed it 2) care for it. Victor did neither, he simply ran away from it, almost like a young child running away from a problem he didn't want to face. Later Victor had a responsibility to at least help the monster within society. The monster only ever wanted to love and be loved but it could never be. Victor made a promise and created a responsibility to make a mate for the monster which he also failed to complete. What led to the deaths of Elizabeth and Henry was a series of poor choices within responsibility. Victor neglected his task at first and only partially made it, only to destroy it because of hate.

Side: Procrastination
1 point

The monster faced various interactions with the human race that all resulted in hatred and physical abuse upon him, inevitably giving him no hope that he will ever socialize with their kind. Through reading novels, like Paradise Lost, and observing the DeLacey family the monster has learned that the concept of having a companion is a necessity. Therefore, the monster proposes to Victor Frankenstein to create a companion of the opposite sex to together spend their life in solitude. A foremost reason to strengthen his proposal was that since Frankenstein created him, it was his duty and responsibility to help him be happy. Then the monster went on to an appeal that he promised not to harm any human being `if Frankenstein consented to his request. Frankenstein already had lost his brother and another dear friend to the malicious acts of his creation so consequently after much persuasion he did consent. As he traveled around Europe the responsibility that now was bestowed upon him continued to creep into his thoughts and finally started his reluctant work.

Side: Responsibility
1 point

Victor and the monster have some similar characteristics and different aspects. The monster has never been loved by anyone or anything. Victor, however, was loved by Elizabeth and his family. He maintained a strong friendship with Henry and fitted in to society with other humans. The monster made a valiant effort to make a friendship with others, but humans have been shown to judge too quickly. No chance was given for the monster in his defense. Regarding similarities, they both have and will suffer. Both are nemesis sworn by revenge and hate. Victor hates this work of which he has embarked on. The monster felt a sense of hope for the creation of another, but the monster was hesitant of his promise. For all the pain the monster suffered after his creation, does he return to Victor later when the monster murders those close to him.

Side: Responsibility
1 point

The intentions of Victor and this new "contract" he made with the monster is to me selfish in both of them. The monster is selfish in that he wants Victor to create this species like himself for his own use of companionship. He does not think that maybe she might be different and not feel the way that he does about humans. The monster is self obsessed with having his own love and is willing to risk endangerment on himself for it. Victor is selfish in that he does this to send him away. He cannot bring himself to rid this monster because he has formulated a connection with him. Two years of his health and wellness were spent on this creation and he selfishly cannot deny him a companion because of his painful obsession.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

Weather in this story seems to be the monster's fuel. Every emotion or situation he encounters deals with the weather. The monster becomes "restored to some degree of tranquility" when "the pleasant sunshine" is upon him. All of his sufferings seem to dissipate when he describes the weather and in this it acts on his feelings in a positive way. The "sun shone on the red leaves" the day that the monster felt the urgency to express his secretly devoted feelings to the DeLacey's. Then when he is on his travels he endures "rain and snow" and feels "[cursed] on the cause of [his being]." While on his travels "the day...was one of the first of spring" had "cheered" for its loveliness. On this day he encountered the girl which resulted with a "ball through [his] shoulder. So we can see how the weather can be cheerful but how it correlates to the monster and the depressing situations he emerges to.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

While it is easy to call Victor selfish for creating a horrible monster that kills and is dangerous the fact that he wasn’t originally aware that this would be the case should be considered. Initially, Victor’s intentions of making the monster weren’t really selfish. He wanted to make a difference in the science community like those he read about as opposed to doing nothing to test his scientific knowledge. Had the experiment gone well and led to some amazing scientific discovery that he could have shared people would call him a genius that helped the world but because the outcome was bad he gets considered selfish for his doings. The decisions he makes after the monster was born could be considered selfish but not his initial creation of the monster.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
11greene(9) Disputed
1 point

Victor was selfish in his creating the monster because he isolated himself from the people who cared about him. His family wrote him letters for months, and he never replied. His obsession overcame all association with society, as well as the condition of his mental and physical stature. Victor was a mad man in his pursuits, but when he finally finished his work, and his creation came to life, he immediately regretted what he had done. Instead of taking the responsibility to educate, or even destroy the creature, he flees from it. Victor leaves a giant, rotting, adult baby to fend for himself because he was too scared and ashamed to aid him. The world revolved around the success of his creation, but suddenly took a violent halt when the monster became the first ever being of its species. Confused and vulnerable as he is, the monster pleads with Victor to make him a female counterpart, so that he will not endure the savage human world alone. But, in the process of the horrible task, Victor becomes bitter, and destroys the remains of the woman he has composed. Selfishly, he forces his monster to suffer the loss of love as revenge for the life he took away from Frankenstein’s brother. However, Frankenstein created the monster therefore the only person to blame for the chaos and destruction, would be himself.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

The responsibility of Victor was so great that because he failed to uphold it people where murdered. Victor's responsibility was to take care of his creation, Victor was supposed to teach the monster how to act normal and to follow the rules. Victor's personality was awkward and obsessive, Victor never had to take on big responsibilities when he was younger. When Victor was younger he secluded himself to a group of friends and his family, and when he finally secluded himself he went crazy over this one project and when the project was finally done he over reacted because he had been sheltered as a child.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

One connection that could be made between the monster and weather is that it seems like every time the weather is good and he’s in a good mood something bad happens to the monster. The day that he decided to approach old man De Lacey the weather was good and he was completely rejected by the family. The day after had “pleasant sunshine” that was said to brighten his mood for him only to find that the family packed up and moved. Again there is wonderful weather on the first day of spring in which he saves a girls life and then gets attacked for doing so. The last event that the monster himself described was his encounter with William. It was said that there was a nice breeze and good weather but the monster kills the innocent child because of his family. It just seems that when good weather is mixed with the monster it happens to be a bad omen.

Side: Creation of the Monster-Selfishness
1 point

Frankenstein's monster has good reason for his inability to control his emotions. After he was rejected by the De Lacey’s, the family that he loved and admired for their inner beauty and their ability to accept those people who society rejected, he was unable to feel anything more than desperate, miserable and broken. The De Lacey’s were exiled from their native country for being honest and good people when refusing to allow an unjustified execution commence. The monster empathized with their situation. There was no onset evil burned within his heart in the duration of his creation. Through this family he learned about life, language, geography, loyalty, hardship; he lived as they had lived. This created an intense desire for him to love and receive love in return. But his appearance was so abhorred that he was incapable of such affection, as perceived through the eyes of man. His rage and bitter hatred for humans is understandable in this situation, after he had been so morally degraded and dejected from everyone; not one person would give him the time of day to explain his unfortunate life story. Even the family he was confident he could persuade otherwise, feared him, beat him, and abandoned him.

Side: Controlling Emotion

Ignoring the monster was very reckless and childish of him; just because he was out of sight doesn't mean he should have been out of mind. I think that as the creator it is Frankenstein's responsibility to look after the needs of his monster. He shouldn't have had a problem with fulfilling it's request for a female companion. Social interaction is a necessity for almost all life.

Side: Responsibility
1 point

Since it is agreeable that companionship is a necessity of all human life, it begs the question of whether or not victor's monster is human. Since he was simply not born, he was created, it makes the monster exactly what it is called, a monster, not a human. This monster was created out of dead rotting flesh, so in reality, Victor's monster was given life from death. It is inhumane to in the first place to manipulate the bodies of the deceased let alone create life from them.

Side: Responsibility
LukeWalton(10) Disputed
1 point

Victor was thinking on a more rational level when he refused to create a companion for his monster. He had seen the destructive nature of his first creation, and learning from his mistake, also arguably "a necessity for almost all life", he logically refused his monster's request.

Side: Responsibility
NiqueEdmonds(12) Disputed
1 point

The "destructive nature of his first creation" was merely a result of lack of care. The monster was like a child at first, he needed to be shown what right and wrong really were; without which he wandered around picking up pieces of himself- symbolically, not literally- learning what type of person he was, or wanted to be. He turned out to have a natural attraction for what is considered 'right'. He could've been a great being if only he'd had some guidance.

Side: Responsibility
1 point

Victor and his creation share a unique symbiosis, albeit one bearing a negative connotation; The creation of the monster began a new chapter in Victor's life, flipping his personality and entire existence - indeed, his new purpose in life is an attempt to remove the sin of the creature and the murders he bears the guilt of in the creature's genesis from his tortured soul. Victor's life has become the monster itself, from his purpose to his day-to-day thoughts.

The monster, too, is anguished - he realizes his mere existence is a blight, and has to cope with being aware of an existence which breaks the laws of nature, and that he will never be accepted in any capacity for his appearance & condition. Both of them are tortured creatures, and the existence of the other is the only reason they persist, out of a morbid curiosity and hope for absolution.

Side: Compare and Contrast
1 point

Frankenstein's monster is a being of emotion - he was old in body, but in mental capacity the creature was relatively young, barely blossoming into the capacity of adult rationality, and all of his mental conditioning derived from the intensely emotional books and even experiences he has had, albeit limited, are tragic events. As such, the sorrowful behemoth is controlled by his powerful emotions, lacking the rational capacity to control himself or the worldly knowledge to understand anything past his own rejection and rage against his creator.

Ironically enough, Victor was also a being of emotions, albeit far more aware and knowledgeable by far - it is not far gone to say Victor's passionate overwhelming of his pride and greed of discovery over the laws of nature and his own rationality, that the monster's own condition personifies his terrible mistake in ego.

Side: Controlling Emotion
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As the creator of the monster, Victor takes on responsibility for his creation, albeit a selfish creation. It is a selfish creation because he only thinks of advancing in his goal of creating something, without regard for the monster, or its forced self-discovery through trial and error. The responsibility Victor takes on as the creator of the monster is one of an absent parental figure. He creates a monster, and leaves it to defend for itself, because he is too afraid to take care of it.

Side: Responsibility
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Victor creates the monster without fully thinking of the consequences of what's to come. Like Dallas' argument Victor exhibits the qualities of a curious child. He comes up with an idea that fascinates him and will not stop until he achieves his prize only to discover that it is the complete opposite of what he thought. His incapability to think through his entire creation of the monster exhibits his lack of responsibility because he abandons the pile of rotting flesh once he discovers his motives were in fact not to bring life to the monster, but rather be able to achieve such a goal, not actually bringing a human to life from a multitude of rotting corpses.

Side: Responsibility
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There is seemingly a role reversal between Frankentein and his monster. Victor beings to think rationally and question the consequences of his actions when he is asked by the monster to create a companion for him, contradictory to his previous lack of common sense. The monster seems to act as Victor did, by being completely consumed by his want for a female companion. The monster lacked the common sense, much like Victor did previously, to question the consequences of what would become of this second creation.

Side: Responsibility
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The various contrasts between Victor and the monster, including their opposite personalities (introvert Victor and social Monster) and their ability to control their emotions (Victor's childlike impulsiveness and the monster's oddly mature sense of logic), in conjunction with their common penchant for selfishness, may suggest something about human nature. Maybe Shelley was saying that no matter what a person's individual personality is, there is no person who is incapable of being selfish. Maybe she was saying we are all innately selfish, i.e. by nature, a person looks out primarily for his or her own interests.

Side: Compare and Contrast

Victor and the monster are two separate, but complimentary characters. While Victor feels most comfortable in seclusion, the monster continuously seeks out company. The weather associations with both also contrast one another. Victor seems to enjoy the gloomly and dark weather while his monster thrives in light. Looking at this facts, it appears that Frankenstein may have put a major piece of his own humanity into the monster, symbolically of course. The monster exhibits more humane characteristics and greater understanding of the world than him. This understanding that the monster develops very quickly also highlights Victor's childlike behavior.

Side: Victor and the Monster
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Victor created the monster with himself in mind. The monster is his other half, in a way he's living vicariously through his creation. Victor and the monster both alient themselves to achieve different things, biut at the same time the same thing.

Side: Victor and the Monster
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In a way, Victor's creation of the monster exhibits his desire to be more like God. At one point, Victor says, "A new species would bless me as its creator and source; many happy and excellent natures would owe their being to me." Of course, Victor learns his creation was a mistake and he shuns the monster. Perhaps because he has accomplished his goals, and his desire to be like God is complete.

Side: Selfishness
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Victor is similar to Goethe's Faust character who went on a quest for knowledge that took a turn for the worst. Faust made a deal with Lucifer for his soul in exchange for supernatural powers. After the deal is made, Faust doubts his decision. He ultimately is persuaded by the Good Angel to repent and return to God. Unfortunately, Victor does not have the benefit of divine intervention. Victor instead created a demon without the knowledge of it's superhuman strength and other powers. He did not completely think through the process of the consequences of making a human of an eight foot stature compiled of body parts from different dead human beings. Nobody convinced Victor to turn to God and away from his creation, rather he abandoned his creation and as a result dealt with the issues that befell him because of his dastardly deed.

Side: Compare and Contrast