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So it is... But..but...SHUT UP
Debate Score:72
Arguments:61
Total Votes:80
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Gun control is illegal

http://ivoter.com/the-dick-act-of-1902-also-known-as-the-efficiency-of-militia-bill/

So it is...

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But..but...SHUT UP

Side Score: 42
3 points

Actually gun control isn't illegal if the laws exist. You're confusing illegal with unconstitutional.

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warrior(1854) Disputed
2 points

No according the the Dick act of 1902 also called the efficiency of the militia act any law effecting the efficiancy of the citizens militia is invalade. Here's a link http://ivoter.com/the-dick-act-of-1902-also-known-as-the-efficiency-of-militia-bill/

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lupusFati(790) Disputed
1 point

Which is why I used the word 'if' .

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Chuz-Life(497) Clarified
2 points

If the law is not constitutional the law itself is illegal.

This is the very point that was made about the laws which once upheld slavery. Wasn't it?

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lupusFati(790) Disputed
1 point

That's correct in theory, but I don't see it being practiced in today's world. Let's face it, the country is becoming authoritarian.

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Thank you, I think that was the term I was looking for.

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Quocalimar(6470) Clarified
1 point

TO who ever downvoted me, it'd be more efficient in proving your point by leaving a reason, in either the form of a dispute or a clarification for why I was downvoted. Simply downvoting does not let me know my error.

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2 points

What's legal is what the government says is legal. If the government wants to arrest you without due process, without giving a reason, they very well can and it won't be labeled illegal because they make, and they enforce the laws.

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warrior(1854) Disputed
2 points

No not in this country. Here the government is limited in what it can and cannot do by a system of checks and balances as well as the bill of rights.

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Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
2 points

Those are all the government, if it has gotten as far as the people, and the government (the president, the congress, the supreme court) has decided on gun control, who's going to arrest them for it?

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DevinSeay(1120) Clarified
1 point

As stated many times you mean unconstitutional.

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1 point

legal = / =right

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Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
1 point

I'm well aware of that. A dictator does, in his country, legal things that exploit the rights of his citizens often. I never said legal was right, I only stated the government is not doing anything illegal by making unjust laws.

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1 point

It's not illegal but unconstitutional... rednecks :D

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warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

That's the same thing. It is illegal for the government to do anything that is unconstitutional. So illegal and unconstitutional mean essentially the same thing.

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Elvira(3447) Disputed
2 points

In your country... not mine.

That is why it is unconstitutional, but not illegal.

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1 point

My god you love your guns. I wonder if its a psychosexual thing.

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warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

No it's a rights sort of thing. The fact of the matter is when a government distrusts its citizens with guns its probably because its up to something the citizens won't like.

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Atrag(5445) Disputed
2 points

I see.. and this thing that the citizens don't like (lets call it 'top secret plan X' from now on) won't be successful if citizens have guns? Because they'll shoot the government?

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I don't think it is, and I have even read where Supreme Court Justice, Antonin Scalia, stated that the Second Amendment can be modified.

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