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Is a baby with anencephaly a person?
If a baby is born without a brain (anencephaly) a person? It has no capacity for concious thought, it can't see, feel or hear, nor does it it have a memory but is still capable of growing.
There is no flaw pointing out the fact that Hitler also denied that living people were people. It is wrong to say that babies are not people. Just because babies are disabled does not mean that they are not people.
This baby isn't like other babies. It is incapable of thinking. There is nothing for its eyes, ears, nose etc to connect to. It is like a corpse. It is inhuman.
here is no flaw pointing out the fact that Hitler also denied that living people were people
Okay you didnt understand. Look up reductio ad Hiterum - the hitler fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReductioadHitlerum It is flawed to say that everything is automatically wrong just because Hitler did it. For example he loved children. Loving children is not wrong just because Hitler felt it.
I agree that always talking about Hitler is a fallacy, I just don't think its always a fallacy. Pointing out cultural parrallels doesnt fit the bill for a fallacy when referencing similar political policies between said Nazi government and certain policies in insert government here. Ill give you an example. In Nazi governmental policy, the Reightshag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act both paralell similar policies in The Patriot Act here in America. Your job as a respected member of said panel of Create Debate is to explain why me saying this is a fallacy. I await your response and even if we disagree, Ill respect you. :)
I should have said that differently. I just wanted to point out that it sets a dangerous precedent to says who is and is not human. I feel very strongly about the rights of the disabled. Thank you for helping me. :)
Most babies diagnosed with anencephaly don’t live very long. Those that make it through the pregnancy and are no longer parasitically dependent to the mother host are individual entities. As long as they are alive, they are people. They get a birth certificate upon birth, and a death certificate upon death.
Concerning the baby in the video.
Yes. He was human, had a name, and lived for three years outside the womb. He was a person.
Uh... no. A human that is born without a brain is not a person... or even sentient. Think about it; they can't feel, think, or experience anything. They are literally just a growing fungus... shoot it isn't even that; a fungus still has the capability to live on it's own. That... thing... in the video is just a mass of dying cells.
an individual who can feel, think, experience, love, hate, talk, learn, socialize, problem-solve... (you get the picture). A person is NOT a drooling mess on the floor not even aware of his/her own existence.
You can (and do) all of these things every night in your dreams, regardless of whether or not you remember it the next morning. External stimuli is not the only means by which you can experience the above.
Maybe you should see these cases if you think they are a, "drooling mess on the floor".
Did you watch the video in the debate description? The video demonstrates my point very well (in that the baby is [and always will be] a drooling mess on the floor not even aware of it's own existence).
Back to your old ways I see. If you make a positive assertion like "this baby is living" like you did, then you should back it up. It is extremely stupid to say "but you made a claim first and didn't back it up :( so now I'm not going to back what I say up either! Ha! Burden of proof!"
If you don't want to back up your points please don't post in my debates.
I expect a shit ton of disputes, but w/e. I don't believe a baby period is a person. A baby can not contribute, nor can it act on it's own at all. It will not remember anything that happens for I believe an entire year, it is just a waste of space until maybe one.
