Should George W. Bush be held responsible for our financial crisis?
Yes because I think we started to go in to Debt when he was President.
Or do you we started to go into debt when someone before George W. Bush was President.
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I'm supporting you because i can help. If you look at my argument and facts there is a lot to the issue it's like an onion it has multiple layers to it. I'm a Realtor and mortgage broker so I know the history well and why we are where we are. 1993 was huge for bankers when Clinton signed that bill it added extra lending liquidity and created "Fiat Money" or money out of thin air because it allowed bankers to extend what they call their fractional reserve lending. For every $1 i now can lend $30 dollars. It's scary. But when they did this is helped loosen banks requirements and loans where being handed out like candy on a street. I can keep going on but basically when banks make loans to people like you and me they make money the government makes money while you and I get stuck with the bill. I can lecture on this for 2 hours if given the chance. But that is one layer to the onion that I was talking about. Side: yes
Wow! Glad to see that someone else recognizes the actualities and implications of a fiat currency. (All deposits are backed by the full faith and credit of the Government of the United States.) FDIC insurance! Fractional Reserve lending. Again I am impressed! How about this: Federal Reserve Accounting Unit Dollar? "If people of the United States understood the banking system I believe there would be a revolution over-night." --A paraphrased quote by Henry Ford Side: yes
Every time we go to war we lose our surplus or when our government spends more than what is brought in , the Fed doesn't mind it because they make money of the interest. So every time when congress passes a bill or ask for more money for war they are essentially giving the FED the OK to go ahead and loan us more money that we don't have. Our Government then has to turn them into bonds or treasury notes so that they can be sold on the open market with a guarantee return. That guarantee of return on top of the actual amount that someone bought the bond at has to get paid back. That's how we rack up our deficit. Now how do we pay for all of this? Taxes! The only way that Govco. can do this is to raise taxes. With the current administration spending us into oblivion I can guarantee with absolute certainty that we will pay more taxes for just about everything in order to pay for it all. Side: yes
So when the banks and government are selling these loans and banks are making billions and government is making billions on the taxes they generate, when you have banks and government making money together it will take a bubble to burst before each one of them starts pointing the finger at each other and saying that it's their fault when it's both their faults. More governments fault because they allowed them to lend like that. Where Bush comes in and adds more gasoline to the fire is that he allowed derivatives to take part and now banks can even lend more money they don't have because now in case of default they will get paid back from the insurance they just bought in case the banks make bad loans. Thats why AIG and Leigh-mans went Bye Bye they couldn't fork up what they had insured. I'm going to stop their because that's layer two of the the saga if I keep going I start to get frustrated because the media doesn't try to really explain this to the public. But believe me government had multiple times to stop it starting with Clinton and they chose to ignore it. But bottom line the banks get the bailouts and because of this Fiat Money which caused hyper inflation of the real estate market people who bought during this bought at a price that wasn't real and those people are the ones that are getting screwed by the banks greed and the governments greed. Side: yes
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You are talking about the FED which takes advantage of countries and governments and governments take advantage of the FED for the ease of creating money out of thin air. There is so much to this argument that is factual but it would take several pages to explain it. There is noway that Bush could have stopped it or even know how to. There is a really good book that Ron Paul wrote End the Fed it explains exactly why we have these bubbles and why the Fed who is the central banks are controlled by no one and answer to no one. Its funny how they are called the FED when they are not government at all they are banks. One of the reasons why we lost our surplus is because of war. In order to pay for it we have to borrow money from the Fed to pay for it and we take a loan out for it in the billions. The amount that we our borrowing for war fails in comparison to what the current administration wants to spend on the fiscal budget right now estimates are at 1.7 trillion a year. That number is unsustainable and we as a nation should be very concerned.
Even though we had a balanced budget during Clinton it was a by partisan Republican ran Congress with Clinton that did it. So it is possible to have two different parties in Washington and still do good things like balance the budget. Side: No
absolutely, Being elected as the president of any country is simple not a joke, choices taken under his authority where the main causes of this financial crises, ranging from cutting interest rates to going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. If bush is not responsible for the financial crisis neither should Robert Mugabe be held for responsible for Zimbabwe financial crisis. Side: yes
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If you really want to debate this all you have to do is just actually do some research. There is no way that Bush could be held responsible for the crisis. It was a stream of events that lead up to it. For starters it was just as much governments fault as it was with the banks. The seed got planted way back in 1970 when they created Fannie and Freddie which the Government created. The biggest kicker is Bill Clinton when he signed the Glass Stegall act which allowed banking and investment to operate under one company. Also the Community Reinvestment act which encouraged lending for affordable housing and helped poor people get financing. So it was really government intervention of the financing that got us into it. If you really want to blame someone Bill Clinton is the biggest reason for the meltdown. In 1999 the house tried to overturn this and Democrats turned the bill down and here we are today. Here is one link for you. If you really go out and look for the reason you will find it. http://www.blogfordemocracy.org/2008/09/ Side: No
If you really want to debate this all you have to do is just actually do some research. I know for a fact that beinglostats has researched the core economic problems that are haunting us as a nation. Specifically, fiat currency and the role of the Federal Reserve system. And ergo, that is why he stated what he did in his post, "this financial crisis looms deeper". Side: No
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This is Clintons fault really as it is policies under his Administration that got us to where we are today. Republicans had Democrats in their line of sight on this issue however (D) Barney Frank lied to congress and the american public and said there was no cause for alarm. Blame lies between Barney Frank and Bill Clinton. Side: No
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