First of all, I don't believe you. Second of all, even IF I did believe you then so what?
I get sad for long periods of time so please do not make my bedtime bad for me!
Sorry, my mother was trolling my account... I didn't say any of that.
I have serious depression issues so stop!
Fuck you!
You blame me for my friends trolling and yet here you are trolling hypocrite!
Friends are overrated!
Again troller
You can't blame me for everything.
Partially.
1. Don't cuss
2. I don't have a lot of friends in real life so I go on here and I'm still miserable
3. I was debating for real until you messed it up!
What do you mean?
I just explained it to you. What else do you need to understand?
What is circular thinking?
Circular thinking is like I believe something because It tells me so and I know it is true because it tells me so.
If the bible is written not by man according to 2 Timothy 3:16 why shouldn't you believe it?
Isn't that circular thinking?
What does this have to do about the question I gave you? Anyway..........
Why would you want to blindly follow something! That is usually not a good thing!
Why the heck am I on here?..................................
That was actually pretty funny..... It wasn't that bad I actually laughed.
Again, irrelevant.
It shouldn't be that annoying if it's a debate site correct?
Yep, and pasted. Seeing as your argument didn't have to do with mine either, it made perfect sense.
Yeah it did I was using a hyperbole when I was saying it was a surge.
I think he does understand... your debate is too vague.
Intangible doesn't understand anything or has any purpose I don't think?
I don't see what your "argument" has to do with mine?
Ummmm did you just copy Hellno's argument?
I don't see what your "argument" has to do with mine?
It's a debate site aren't you supposed to expect religious debates?
2 movies is not a surge. Son of God is a TV show where they took all the episodes and put them together to make a movie. It isn't a big deal.
They are expected to be very popular AAA movies the "surge" was a hyperbole.
About the same as I think about the surge in religious debates on this site... it's a little annoying.
Come on you don't like to revisit debates?
Your question is dumbuh.
How the fuck can you oppose science? <.<
You can't just say "fuck gravity!" and then float away.
I don't think you understand....
I think that the whole bit about God creating a man out of thin air and then violently ripping out one of his ribs to make the first woman is pretty unscientific, don't you?
Firstly God didn't create man out of thin air he made it out of dust or dry earth. Secondly he didn't' violently rip out his ribs according to Genesis 2:21-23 which reads
King James Version (KJV)
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
How is that violently ripping off his ribs? How does that mean they "oppose it".
I'm not sure then... honestly. . .
What do you mean? Also sorry for changing the debate title.
Well I think everyone should be educated regardless of them being male or female.
Not all christians, but some christians do, so yes, there are christians that oppose science, though to be fair there are also non-christians that oppose science, not as a product of their christianity, but could be from other things, like conspiracy theories.
Sorry I phrased it wrong so if you want to change to the other side.
Because it goes against the Bible.
How does science go against the bible?
It's impossible to get all achievements in the game when the servers close and some require long hours of grinding.
Not all christians, but some christians do, so yes, there are christians that oppose science, though to be fair there are also non-christians that oppose science, not as a product of their christianity, but could be from other things, like conspiracy theories.
Note: Changed Debate Title To Do You Think Most Christians Oppose Science?
I didn't just make it up, so of course there is evidence. Just because it doesn't fall in line with your opinion, doesn't mean it isn't true.
Can I get a link is all I'm asking.
You don't know that.
Is there any evidence for that? No? I will assume that it is not true.
A more ridiculous idea is hard to think of.
One Word: Scientology!
Morality only based on religion or god-belief is bad, and morality based on god-belief is unnecessary with morality based on secular reasoning. Morality based on god-belief results in a free for all, because why god approves of and disapproves of can not be verified thus on those grounds any moral stance can be equally justified. Base it on other secular reasoning, and it doesn't have to be based on such chaotic grounds.
Can't not believing in God being a moral free for all?
Could you name some atrocities in the name of atheism, that really wasn't more in the name of politics? Why is it, I only hear of consequences in the name of atheism, when socialist or communist ideology is taken place, but when that ideology is taken out, atheism ends up leading to higher standards of living?
Wasn't all the atrocities in the name of religion also in the name of politics?
So then why does homosexuality have to be singled out here, why refer to the term specifically at all? Also they still allow heterosexuals to marry, but not homosexuals... still discrimination.
Because it describes that acts it is one of many sins Christians believe in.
Such as lust,adultery,homosexuality,etc.
The USSR enforces their views on people, because that is what gets them power, when the people agree with them on everything, when the people are forced to agree with the views of those in power it reinforces their power. Their is correlation between atheism and socialism/communism, but simply that, a correlation.
My point is people don't need religion to control people.
No, that is a good point, but if someone says they are doing it in the name of X, and they can't possibly be doing it for anything else, then I am going to take their word for it. Thing is, you can't use a lack of belief to justify anything, I can't say "I am going to do this because I don't believe in a god" but you can say "I am going to do this because I believe in a god that commands me to".
Okay the USSR killed people in the name of Atheists so do you think it should count.
Well, it causes them to be ignorant of science, and stifles them in reality that way, it also stifles the scientific progress of society.
I am simply stating that most people it wouldn't significantly effect.
What do you mean here?
It's called the marriage penalty.
People don't want to acknowledge the responsibility religion has for it's effects because they don't like the idea of acknowledging their religion having blood on it's hands. Not every christian is the same, not every muslim is the same, not every jew is the same, and they are not responsible for what results of their religion (unless they actually took part) but their religion IS responsible.
I'm talking about Christianity.
You can't expect someone to harm themselves psychologically for no good reason. It is still unfair that they would have to repress their sexuality, but not heterosexuals...
Christians according to the Bible can only have sex inside of marriage.
Possibly.
That's my point.
No, me neither, but the sun is responsible for light and "God is light", so I think the sun may have held some significance to them.
There's no historical evidence for this.
I can't prove anything. It's just something that I was told. Since the story was passed down orally for many years, I don't think anybody actually knows a precise date. I was just demonstrating how even virgin birth myths appear in many other religions. I can't even positively say that the halo and Sunday were of Constantine's doing, but we do know that Christianity changed after the Council of Nicaea.
Fair enough but the halo and Sunday were not of Constantine's doing.
Give money to the saints on Sunday. That doesn't make it a day of worship. You also have to keep in mind when the Bible was compiled.
It seems to be early tithing to the church.
Constantine had a much greater impact on Christianity.
Never said he didn't
It was a symbol to represent a sun god.
Yes but I don't think early Christians thought of Jesus as a sun God.
I've got a few other choice words for him, but I guess loon is sufficient.
What are the other ones?
No, but I was for a few years ...
Why did you change your mind about Buddhism?
Well, I'm looking through my old textbook right now, so if you have any evidence to support your argument, I'd be happy to see it.
Okay I personally could not find anything about Buddha's supposed virgin birth I could only find (the unreliable) Wikipedia which said this....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculousbirths#Birthof_Buddha
Again the only place I found this claim was the movie. I am not an expert on Buddhism so if you know anything tell me.
Okay thanks for the help for debating! So only for the parts your disputing........
I believe Christianity has been corrupted, and the original teachings that do remain have been misinterpreted. I think that Christianity and Buddhism were once very similar, but now as a result of politics, their messages are much different. Buddhism seems to have stuck with their original message more than Christianity.
What do you mean the original copies of the New Testament are only from 20 years later or so for some and at most 300 and at most contain minor spelling differences and small differences such as Mark 16:9-20. I don't know how that would change the whole message?
Proof?
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
-Acts 20:7
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
-1 Corinthians 16:2
Constantine and Pope Julius were from two different time periods.
Yeah I agree but they started to popularize it.
It can be argued that an Aten was the origin for the halo, but Aten used to be worshipped.
So what about it?
It's still a really old virgin myth.
Still Pre-Christian Buddhism didn't have that myth by mainstream scholars.
Sunday is actually the first day of the week. In the Bible, God blessed the seventh day... Which is Saturday. Prove it
I know my point is it was already common before Constantine. He and Pope Julius Offically "kicked it off" but it was common before.
Yeah, that's how we describe it now. It is believed to have been modeled after the sun. At one time, it was referred to as a "solar disc".
Do you mean an Aten?
I think so as it prevents judges from twisting the interpretation of the Constitution to "pass bills without congress".
I think personally it depends on the religion and what people think it is.
No, but I think Buddhist thought is better than traditional Christian thought.
What do you mean? Like you think it is more entertaining? Like it is more rational?
I learned it from a religion course I took in college. You can look it up if you want. It was passed down through oral tradition for a while, just like the story of Jesus' birth.
It is disputed among Buddhists unlike Christians.
The New Testament doesn't still have the Sabbath that Gentiles need to follow. Secondly for Emperor Constantine changing the day of the Sabbath Christians before them already practiced going to Church probably on Sunday at least the Early Church did. Thirdly as you said Emperor Constantine did it that is not true. It is true that Pope Julius I did it to be fair. Lastly for Jesus having a sun behind his head that is called a halo and many religions use it.
There is a Buddhist myth that claims Siddhartha Gautama was born of a virgin
Where does it say that?
That claim was popularized by the movie Zeitgeist which contains many errors such as Horus was born of a virgin, was born on December 25th, it also claims that Jesus was born on December 25th which he wasn't. That is some of the many errors in the Zeitgeist. If anyone wants to debate me feel okay to dispute.
Yes, I believe it happened.
I agree.....
I will ask you this. Why do you believe it?
I think many of those claims come from the movie Zeitgeist which is full of false information, so I would be pretty skeptical of their claims. There may be some truth mixed in but do your homework and don't taking their claims at face value.
Many Atheists unfortunately use this as their main argument in a lot of debates. It's flaws include the false claim that Horus was born of a virgin which he was not and that Horus was born on December 25th.
I don't like your tone.
Get outa my face!!!
Your so confusing......................
OK maybe she is. Just because I am not easily convinced of other people being a sock puppet account without proper evidence being given does not mean I am one myself.
Sounds like a mass panic!
Who knows? You can never be certain that some one isn't.
At this point I don't know..............
The guilty always are the first to accuse others.
So your saying he is another sock-puppet account?
Christianity originated from Judaism. Judaism was made up to control people.
How so?
Christianity came into being through exaggeration and rumors about a man from Israel who tried to reform Judaism and was later used to control others.
How so?
It's starting to seem like everyone IS a puppet account.
What happens if we're all just 4-5 people on this site with an army of sock puppets?
You sure do like to defend the most obvious of puppet accounts. I'm starting to think you might be one, as well.
You think everyone is a puppet account don't you?
She's just your average overthetop idiotic rich bitch. Couldn't be Danny.
Didn't you just admit to being Danny?
Who I think you are doesn't matter. I just know you are a puppet account.
Who do you think I am?
Perhaps Christianity wasn't invented to control people but what is originated from (Judaism) was.
What do you mean?
Dude, you're more obvious than iLoveVersace.
Who do you think I am?
OK you are a Christian right, so you must think that all Religions other than Christianity and Judaism were made up and there must be a reason why for this. Do you not think this could not have been for power and money? If they were then why can it no be true for Christianity?
Christianity was violently opposed by the Roman Empire in it's formation. Why would they create a religion to control people that said to turn the other cheek. It is a fact some Christians even refused to be in their armies. They also wouldn't bow down to the emperors such as Nero. Nero hunted and hated the Christians so much that some scholars think that John of Patmos in the Book of Revelation was talking about Nero when talking about the Anti-Christ! I do not believe that is what John of Patmos was talking about but I will say that it would be very strange for the Roman Empire to start a religion just to cause political instability! There is also no evidence that it was made for political control. Christians also do not believe political leaders are Gods or Demigods as they are Monotheist. It would make no sense for the Emperor to make a religion that would say he wasn't God!
You'll have to use your detective skills to figure it out. I'll give you a hint. It was used as a joke.
Hmmmm
It has controlled people in being able to get a lot of their wealth through out history and has been used as an excuse to go to war, to colonize, enslave people and other things. It has been used as a political instrument.
Fair enough I thought you meant like a deep conspiracy by all countries or something.
Got any evidence that the original religions were made up?
Nope. It's an account that is less than a month old.
What is it?
It's failed as all it's done is make other tribes more likely to fight each other then anything. If it was meant to control people it has done a horrible job.
How many people have accused you? Not many. A lot of people on the site have been accused without it meaning no one debates with them. You are just making it worse for yourself by drawing attention to the accusations, just rise above them.
Have you?
Cause now no one will debate me and everyone will accuse me and not debate me!
If you haven't done anything, you will be fine. If you have done what we accuse you of, you will be fine. We have people on here who are way worse.
Being considered a sock-puppet is pretty low.
I dont remember adding you to my shit list. When did that happen?
People think I am a puppet account of Danny.....
Read LittleMisfits list of his ALTS
You know what? You don't have to believe me and I don't care one way or another.
So, you seem to be part of the problem, don't you?
It's not like my whole time on Createdebate is now ruined.....
TruelyArab is on my shit list for falsely portraying Arabs and breeding hate.
Ugh......
I am on there....
Yeah, it does seem to be the majority of Chrstians. There are a few who are tolerant though.
If you believe something is murder how is intolerant?
He may be obnoxious but I don't see how that is a fail? What are you referring to expect for him being obnoxious?
Lets just debate.................................
Please explain how creating a debate "Is IloveVersace a Danny Puppet Account?" is just debating?
It's not?
Stop talking about puppet accounts. Ignore the puppet account debates. Let this whole puppet account stuff die. Debate normally. If you provide good content we don't care if you are a puppet account.
I will try that.....
Because there are some weirdos out there who get a kick out of tricking people about who they are and/or are not happy about their life so they have to live out fantasy lives on the internet using different personas.
Now people think I am a sock-puppet account....
My parents said not to do it.....................................
Because you're obviously JC. There's no problem with you being him though. He's a little dull but that's alright. Just continue with that account.
No I am not.
Which friend and what information?
Puppet account isn't really the right word to describe what you personally do. Every account you create is just the same character (I presume its your own character - it is quite weak). Perhaps what you do is more like just changing your name.
What do you mean it is weak?
Also why should I ask you stuff in real life?
Just a feeling I guess.
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Wow, good for you. Why aren't you doing it for this issue?
I am as I don't think the government should give out marriage licenses.
Why do you?
I am again not a sock puppet account why is it so hard for you to believe me?
We don't know, tell us what your motivation is for when you do it.
I am not him.......
I am again not a sock-puppet account I got the info from a friend...........
Those people are just spamming the debate anyway so.........................
Well posting a debate about puppet accounts, then using all your puppet accounts to debate in it isn't helping your case.
Those aren't mine.....
