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1 point

More and more? I don't notice any difference between now and my time 20 years ago.

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I don't think I know anyone who didn't have sex before he/she was 18. What planet do you come from?

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Sorry double posted.

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None that I know of. It usualy involves sucking instead.

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Oral sex is called oral sex for some reason. I don't see any grounds for discussion.

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oral sex | noun

- sexual contact between the mouth and the genitals or anus; fellatio, cunnilingus, or anilingus.

1 point

Then why is it called, as you called it: Oral Sex?

1 point

You are so naif...

1 point

Of course not. That's just proof that galaxies exist (Although that could be argued as well. If it was the only picture in existence, without other suporting evidence, one might assume that that was photoshop forging of evidence).

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The simplest rational and testable explanation. God is not testable thus not rational.

God may only be the simplest assumption.

1 point

If you're spending all eternity in hell that's not punishment. You're not coming out of there a better person with lessons learned. That's revenge. Do little children who don't even know about jesus christ deserve revenge?

1 point

The idea of infinite punishment doesn't make sense. If you're going to be there forever, that's no punishment. It's not made for you to learn something with your mistakes and come out of there a better person.

I don't see any reason for it other than revenge.

In christianity, everyone that doesn't accept jesus as their lord and savior, goes to hell. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if you sinned, and what sins you committed. All that matters is the acceptance of jesus christ as your saviour.

That includes theists from non-christian religions, atheists, deists, pantheists, of all ages (including innocent children), races and nationalities. The same can be said of islam and a few other religions.

Why would a benevolent and forgiving god still want eternal revenge from more than half of the world's population?

1 point

By evil you mean not beliving in jesus as their lord and savior, not being of the same religion as you are, or for being from a different subset of yours?

Because according to many theists these people will go to hell too, and they comprise a larger percentage of the world's population than your religion alone does.

2 points

That's the most stupid form of self-dishonesty I've ever seen.

Basicaly, what you're saying is "No matter how strongly you can prove me wrong, I'm right, because I want to be right".

One can't be more dishonest with himself than that.

1 point

I don't know if anyone could answer this. But it may happen that we reach a limit at some point, where we don't evolve anymore (this has a name I can't remember). This has happened with ants , for example. They reached that point where they don't need to evolve anymore because the way they are assures them a quite suficient survivability, and they have been like they are now for a long long time (forgot how long).

Eventualy any species may reach that point. That would be my best (layman) guess. But I don't think we can foresee what comes next, nor when it will stop.

1 point

As a general rule you should trust whatever you think it's logical or senseful. That case in particular is very subjective to each individual and to each manner of thinking, and even to each one's habits or metabolism. You can extract something from it, though: Telling yourself you're beautiful isn't such a bad advice. I have had problems with my looks in the past (even though beeing a male), and it's not very uncommon from teenager to have the same problems I had.

However, what is there is, overall, very poor in substance. And that's the first thing you should notice without the help of anyone else. Even if poor substance doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, it usualy means it's not really apt to be considered worthy of notice.

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Yes, and the scientists have no clue of what they're doing, and the experiment results are taken from kids toys, and my dog can fly.

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It would be great if that would be true... however is most likely that everywhere will be a very hot desert...

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You have NO IDEA of what the hell you're talking about...

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If we do nothing, eventually the natural cycle will reverse itself, or enough humans will die out to reverse human meddling, or both.

That statement might be correct, considering it really happens. However, the consequences of this global warming are exactly about us being ruining the balancing elements in the planet. If these balancing elements vanish, then that's only possible to happen again in a very long time, way after we have all fried and been forgoten. And that is IF it ever happens again, considering we are moving towards a tipping point, if we haven't reached it yet.

You argument is a bit like saying "Oh there's a high speed train coming! Well, I'll just sit here on the tracks and wait to see if it can brake in time to not trample me."

1 point

Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson put it in a rather interesting way (though in more accurate words than me): The most commonly found elements in the universe are exactly the ones we are made of. This means, it's so very easy for it to happen. And even if it was rare, in a space so huge as the universe is, rare things happen constantly somewhere, but since it's so easy to happen, most likely it does.

From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RExQFZzHXQ - The Poetry of Science (somewhere in the video, can't remember where :S).

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It still doesn't seem you're sitting in the right side of the arguments... Well, you're sitting in the right side, but not in the right side, considering what you seem to believe, which is the left side. :)

Although, I think it matters. It's true what you say that it's all too big to see, like the needle in the hay stack, but remember two things: Life doesn't imply inteligent life, and life doesn't imply it has to be in the same environment conditions as our own. There are living beings (bacteria and stuff like that) living in very deep and hazardous places in the oceans, where the pressure doesn't allow the water to boil, but the temperatures reach 300 ºC, which would perfectly fry anyone of us humans.

Findings such as that one have broaden the search for life in other planets to more than just the "adequately conditioned planets".

But also, we can see very very far into the universe with nowadays equipment. The furthest edge we can see is around 14 billion light years away, so say the experts if I don't mistake it (forgive me if I do), and that's pretty damn far...

2 points

I'm sorry but the lack of knowledge of basic scientific principles and egocentrism is all I can find when I see people talking like that guy.

Some research on biology would enlighten you with an answer to your question. Although I think I could answer it, I'm not going to try to do it, as I'm no expert and I would probably fail to provide a consistent answer to make all his arguments collide (which I think wouldn't be too hard, because he iterates his arguments over and over, resulting in just a few poor ones).

And it's all no more than religious beliefs that so far couldn't be proven by any objective and repeatable experimentation.

3 points

Ending a war doesn't mean peace. It only means they stop shooting each other. But it doesn't necessarily mean they will love each other after that.

It's the same as with two kids ranting about something to the point they yell at each other. At some point they start fighting physicaly. And some time later, either one of them is taking a beating and the other one claims victory, or they both get tired and stop the agressions. Do they then go play football together as if nothing happened? No. They will still hate each other, at least for some time. And in that time the possibility that they may fight again is fairly high. And most likely their disagreement will never be solved. They will just hopefuly get over it over time. But even so, the existence of that unsolved disagreement may still become a reason for a fight in the future.

So, what did their fight solve? Did it bring peace between them? Nothing, and No. If their first discussion had been reasonable, they might not reach an agreement, but they might still be friends and, who knows, an agreement might come someday. But since it turned into a fight, it created hostility between them, that most likely will bring more fights. That's what war does, with the exception of isolated cases like hitler, where most countries were actualy forced into war, and when the nazis were safely contained it all ended and germany was no longer an threat, thus lost the enemy status (maybe after some time, even, but I don't know about that).

2 points

Peace is not a temporary state. Peace is a state in which humans are totaly responsible for it's continuosity. Wars never solved any issues between countries, except the liberation of opression in such countries that had it, and the destruction of dictatorships, such as hitler's (yes, without capital H, for I disagree that such a being deserves that).

All wars except those I aforementioned as exceptions have left all involved coutries with the same views as they were before, only with the added general opinion that the offending ones are a bunch of assholes. Only over time their issues were slowly softened (if you will) or even solved through other means than war, leading to the world we have today where Japan and russia and the US aren't necessarily enemies.

It all comes from political or religious interests (being economic interests in the political category in my point of view), and those are only solved by having the relevant polititions of each country discussing the matter, not by killing millions of unrelated innocents (soldiers included there) because they are losing power over petroleum interests like the US was getting into under Bush's time.

We can't sustain peace because we're too greedy and selfish and stupid to elect people that share these same adjectives. And we're too stupid to solve problems in a way that no one gets harmed. Wars don't come and go, we bring them.

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A little bit of both, I'd say. But I don't really see much difference in clothing today from the clothing of yesterday to be honest. The only difference I see is the tendencies. I'm not sure where you're getting at.

In my time, over 15 years ago, I remember seeing girls in fancy dresses and mini-skirts and corsets, etc, and boys in Redleys and All-Stars shoes and some "jeans" brand I cant remember the name, and all that stuff. It was all towards fashionness and sexyness already, if that's what you mean.

It may happen that in other countries it was different, but that's something out of my knowledge. But I'm not really sure about what exactly this is about, anyway.

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Actualy, mechanical and computorized techologies were one of the greatest contributions to unemployment rates. They employed more people to make the machines, but then they replaced those people with machines to make machines, and the produced machines in turn are able to replace several workers at a time in many other jobs.

Some jobs are even barely existent nowadays. Others are performed by a small group of people, or even just one person, because they use computers or automated mechanical contraptions or robots, while they used to be done with a greater number of people doing it by hand. Dangerous jobs especialy, are more and more performed by machines only. In that case it may be a good thing.

If a new machine is invented, they hire people to make the machinery to manufacture it. Then they discard those people. It's a cycle that may tend to get worse.

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Those who have so much money they don't know what to do with it because they barely have any ambitions or creativity or any kind of goal in life (probably with small brains, for that matter) would certainly buy it.

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I'm not much of a party dude, but definitely like to leave the planning and organization to those who don't mind doing it. I prefer to just go meet the chicks. :D

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Just like you stated very well, life doesn't imply intelligence. It only implies a life generating environment.

The more strawberries you have in a bag for a week the larger the chances are of finding a rotten one in there. The analogy can be applied to planets and satellites. The more planets you have, the more chances of generating life. Basic statistics, one of the easiest things to understand in Mathematics.

The egocentric human will try to defy the logic of statistics, usually using insubstantial statements due to lack lack of knowledge of what the hell they're talking about (you know how a great majority of people see Math as a complicated and fearful beast with seven heads (a Hydra perhaps)), but more often than not by also not understanding how in hell life is generated (except if you tell them God did it). But their self imposed bias will only distort their own perception of the world around them, it will never change anything of how reality works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability

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meh... they are all hackers nowadays. With scoped rifles and auto-fire sub-machine guns and radars and overpowered nuclear bombs, and all that cheating stuff.

In the good ole days they were real men. They fought with melee weapons and bows and crossbows, and catapults and all that Man stuff. Now that was skill. :) They all went into a could of dust, fists coming in and out, and at the end of the day they would celebrate their victory with some good ole bear, or mourn their defeat with some homemade healing herbs and a kiss on the wound from the wives.

I miss these days already... :D

2 points

It ended the lives of many, ended the happiness of their families, fucked up economies, slowed down progress of societies, divided countries, and a long list of et ceteras.

Except for those, war never really solved or ended anything at all. Probably the only good thing any war has ever done was defeating Hitler. He caused the war, so it was, in a way, necessary, otherwise the world would end up in his wrong hands.

But it didn't end anything. Slavery, Fascism, Communism, and Nazism, they all still exist. Only slavery is subtle nowadays, nazism is powerless and reduced to punks with delusions of activism, communism and fascism are still a reality in some countries (russian countries, china, etc). And also, there are still some dictatorships in existence, although nothing alarming when compared to Hitler's dictatorship.

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That will always depend on the dictionary you look into. Look at my post in the other column. I agree somewhat with you though, but I'd put it differently:

Whatever the case, a belief is a notion we gained because of our rationality. A dog is also capable of that, he will believe you're offering him a cookie if he rolls, if you got him used to that. Probably many levels of rationality will deliver such results. Doesn't need to be humans, just need to think enough, which inanimate object don't.

(somehow, I supported your post, but it says "disputed". Editing it said "You support this view" :S)

2 points

Note that Casper doesn't say he's Atheist in his profile. I'm an atheist and I don't feel desperate for anything of that sort. Unlike religious people that go sell their beliefs door by door and stuff like that, I'm pretty confident on my reasonings to not need to be pushing others around.

And to be honest, before I saw his profile, I was taking this debate as a religious attempt to dumb down atheists to inanimate objects, without making sense in itself.

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That makes inanimate objects seem intelligent. Nice to know. But I don't like using my wishful thinking to distort the way I perceive things around me. So I will consider that as complete cow crap. I'm an atheist, by the way.

Atheism: a·the·ism

noun

1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

- In Dictionary

If inactive objects lack the ability to believe, then they can't believe there is no god.

If they lack the ability to believe, then they should lack the ability of disbelief, so they can't have disbelief in the existence of god.

Now onto a more thoughtful way of seeing things.

Sure you could get hanged up on people writing down that atheism is a property of a person, but there is no real reason behind doing such other then familiarity.

Of course there will be people who will say that. Any person with their feet on the ground will be honest with himself and accept logics. Humans have an abstract notion of belief, just like they have an abstract notion of trust, fear, superstition, or even time (although not quite the same type).

Do inanimate objects have any of these notions? Not only none of these but they have none at all. They're just a composition of atoms with a certain form and color. And that's it. They are neither atheists nor religious.

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While the tree and coal concern is valid, many groups are planting trees in place of those cut down.

One tree takes at most one day (I think I'm being too condescending) to be cut off. One planted tree takes, what, 50 years... to reach a significant size to compensate for the tree that was cut. Honestly, I'm tired of that argument.

I read the last bit of that statement though saw no statistics so I cannot dub your opinion correct or incorrect in my mind. (...) Also he did have a point that the climate does fluxuate on its own so I would say in part it is natural.We may have a hand in it yes, though not natural at all? I cannot agree with that.

Of course the climate fluctuates by itself. It's reaches it's own balance that way. I've mentioned that in my post, when I talked about the poles helping it do it. And of course that there's a fraction of it that isn't man made. But how big that fraction is? Well, taking into account that non-man-made fluctuations (I'm talking about blatant ones, like the one that's happening now, not the regular ups and downs) take thousands, if not more than millions, of years to happen, then I'd say that the natural fraction right now would be too small to even be relevant. And the ups and downs have been already studied by scientists who are more aware of the differences than we are.

Besides, like Dr. Richard Alley said, scientists spent (lost) the last 30 years trying to find a natural explanation to the climate changes, and couldn't find any.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S_82BUshM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwpPd_bBMpg&NR;=1

There's also another interesting statement from Dr. Richard Alley: "We're taking 500 million years worth of accumulated fossil fuels and put it in the air in 500 years." If that doesn't ring a bell, I don't know what will.

Maybe they could be wrong? Yes, and I'd be the first to say I'd hope they were wrong. But I can't distrust them when I look around me and I see so many results of correct scientific "math".

3 points

Mac OS Kernel is Linux's. In other words, MAC OS was created from Linux. Therefore it beats windows any day in stability (not mentioning other ways). And Linux beats windows in it too, but Linux is specific for certain tasks. Windows is only useful for the common layman who knows little of computers, whereas Linux would fail completely in their hands (actually it would be safer to say their hands would fail completely on Linux). Windows is useful for gaming because of DirectX and a few other features. But Windows is a mess of an OS from any experienced point of view.

So, your statement should've been more like:

Linux > Mac OS > Windows

Even tho Linux is more suitable for specific tasks, Mac OS wouldn't exist if Linux didn't exist in the first place. ;)

1 point

The problem with having kids participating in debates - as you can see if you happen to find post by young kids - is that they tend to "cheat" the debates by double or triple posting, inadvertently drop and raise scores, and other sorts of actions to make the result suit their liking or belief.

There's also the issue of unsubstantiated opinions, but that happens even with most adults here (and everywhere, really), so I won't even consider it relevant in this matter.

4 points

Have you ever really read a good book?

Btw, reading on the computer hurts your eyes in a shorter term than reading books. Especialy because everyone seems to create text on white backgrounds.

5 points

There are bad books aswell. Don't take them all as a good thing. I have bought two technical books once that were the most pretentious things I've ever seen, from which I have learned nothing else than what I had learned by myself already. I still wander why I didn't go back to the store for a refund...

But distinguishing a good book from a bad book, however, is much easier than distinguishing good internet content from bad internet content.

4 points

Information is free and easy to find, and it's conveniently easy to look for. I agree with that. But GOOD information, however, that's a different story. Read my post on the other column. ;)

5 points

The Internet can be misrepresenting and incomplete in many teachings. Most of what you learn on it is gathered from tidbits here and there, and once in a while someone is going to contradict someone, and you'll be left with a hole in your theory. Of course, this can happen in books, but in books you can differentiate easily the pretentious ones from the worthwhile. A pretentious book is usually thin and not often the cheapest, while the book that was made with hard research and revising is usually thick, and doesn't always cost much more than the thin one.

But the experienced author made a better job and a greater effort at teaching the matter. I believe some authors will - due to the dedication needed to create a book that will actually be approved for publishing, and to make it sell well - try to, at least, give their best shot at making it worthy. Usualy, a good book is made by at least one serious minded proffessional.

On the Internet, the great majority of what you read is made by amateurs or enthusiasts. Creating this is easy and fast, and because it's free most people don't really tend to make sure it is 100% accurate or efficient. There's no danger of economic investment gone wrong. They don't need to sell one text page to have funds to make more pages of text. There are of course, and thankfully, some professionals, or very experienced people, that do share their knowledge, but they still may neglect certain key aspects of teaching it (intentionaly or not). But usualy an internet tutorial is made by a hobbyist, or a professional with some free time to play around.

That said, I can give you my personal example. I've tried both ways along my years of self-teaching 3D Modeling, Photoshoping, programming, and a few other things (which is what I hope to be doing to pay the bills someday), and it was only in books where I really learned with greater consistency.

The best example in my personally experience is actually in programming. I've spent so much time (3 or 4 years) learning from here and there on the Internet, always being unable to get my projects done for some reason or another. One day my neighbor (a computers technician) borrowed me a book, I studied it, and I was amazed at how many things I have neglected to learn (or they neglected to teach). And I've never needed any other book, nor the Internet (for that specific programming language).

Furthermore, if you tend to use the wikipedia a lot, I won't blame you. For the most part it seems ok. But sometimes, if you take a look at the discussions page you'll see how inconsistent some pages may be. Careful with that.

1 point

I agree. But it's not technology that is the problem at this point. It already reached that level. There are some things that stand in between that kind of technology and its practical usage, some of them are pricing and adequate facilities. Most countries, or some states in many countries, don't have adequate facilities to use certain advanced equipment. Nor do they have adequately trained personal.

But whenever some new piece of medical technology comes out, its price is overwhelming, even for a governmental institution, and even more for the humble common mortal.

Money may be the worst monster in this tale...

1 point

In truth it actually doesn't. There's too many interests keeping it from doing so.

A great example is computer hardware (it works practically the same with everything else, but in computers it seems a bit blatant sometimes), in which a company will never release their most worthwhile products until they sold out their least worthwhile products. In other words, when a great piece of hardware comes out and is considered the highest product available in the market, it still doesn't mean the manufacturer can't do better. Most likely they have already done, or at least researched, better models.

They will sell something better than what's already on sale when these sales are falling to a low profit phase, they'll make some money out of this better product, and start producing or researching an even better model with part of the income. And the cycle is vicious, as they release products in small amazing steps, instead of large astonishing ones.

They don't do this solely for marketing purposes and interests. While that is a strong (and true) reason to do it, they also actually need to do it for the survivability of the company. If a company releases the best they have and then they can't research something better while their income is actively paying their workers, then they will have nothing but bankruptcy. Not getting ahead of themselves is in the end a good survivability strategy, and a way to not have technology advance too much at a time.

1 point

Aren't you on the wrong side of the debate?

2 points

Well, depends. If you are talking in existence as in "your athoms will remain somewhere in the world or even the universe" then yes, you will "dissolve" and blend with dirt and whatever else there is around you, and with time each very tiny little part that once belonged to You may come to constitute "something else" once again.

But I usualy take this assumption coming from the "life after death" concept, because it usualy comes from there, and I will never be able to conceive that idea. Thunderfoot, on youtube, made an interesting remark about that, somewhere along the lines of "living forever would be a great torture that would imply staying for all eternity, and eternity after that, and eternity after that, and eternity after that..."

Living forever would be trillions of times more annoying that taking your whole life trying to find the last number on the result of 10/3.

3.3333333333333333333333333333333333333.....................................................................

If that's not where you're comming from, then I'll post in the other side of the debate, and decrease the points in this post. :)

1 point

It's interesting that the biggest thing that got me in love with my girl - apart from her exceptional personality and such - was that she never made me feel restrained with most things. Of course, we all have our little things, and I respect her when she would rather have me not doing something, and she acts reciprocaly.

But, in other words, showing to not be possessive and selfish and controling made me feel much more willing to respect her in most (if not all) cases of divergence.

I think there's too much people that can't see this, or are too scared to ever risk it. We have felt this way since the beggining, it happened kind of naturaly - a great thing, in my opinion - as we didn't take it too seriously at the time, so the risk wasn't so evident to us. But then as the relashionship matured and we took it more and more seriously, it still never got obsesively serious to the point of deteriorating it.

2 points

Yup. I usualy say 'Everyone in the world likes to "wash their eyes" whenever "divine waters" are within grasp.'

The primal instincts and feelings that lead to coupling aren't exclusive, no matter how much some people would like them to be.

0 points

Not at all.

If people could think a bit more than they actualy do on a regular basis, they could perhaps realise that what you see in a strip club is nothing more than a live version of what you see in the internet (and most gfs/bfs don't mind it), and it's only another naked woman/man.

It's not like me or anyone will ever run away with the stripper aspiring to live a long lasting love, and dump the gf/bf in the process. It's not like we're going back there everynight just to see it again (in most cases, I guess). Sometimes it's a positive thing in which we get home with a huge will to just grab the second-half and do wonders. :D

I'm not very much into strip clubs, but I've been to one and my gf didn't mind it, and she's been to one in france in a trip she made with two of her gfs, and she told me she even had sex. To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with that. It was one time, it was just some stripper she'll never see again, and she was two weeks without me and she had asked me if it was ok even before she traveled. Well, I'm not expecting she's made of steel. :) Neither am I lol (And we are happy by being honest and mature with each other).

We have also been considering going together to a strip club when we travel somewhere. :D


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