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Debate Score:241
Arguments:137
Total Votes:249
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Should abortion be legal?

Yes.

Side Score: 111
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No.

Side Score: 130
6 points

Yes of course it should be and to deny it is to deny a right a woman has over her own body , denial of this right is unjust and unfair

From HRO

Human Rights Watch believes that decisions about abortion belong to a pregnant woman without interference by the state or others.

The denial of a pregnant woman's right to make an independent decision regarding abortion violates or poses a threat to a wide range of human rights. Any restriction on abortion that unreasonably interferes with a woman's exercise of her full range of human rights is unacceptable.

Governments should take all necessary steps, both immediate and incremental, to ensure that women have informed and free access to safe and legal abortion services as an element of women's exercise of their reproductive and other human rights.

Side: Yes.
achilles_(51) Disputed
3 points

It's not the woman's body, it's the fetus' body. Why shouldn't the fetus have the right to live? It's not harming the mother at all. Denial of this right is unjust and unfair.

The denial of the pregnant woman's right doesn't affect other human rights. The only right that abortion threatens is the fetus' life.

Why are you against the lives of human beings?

Side: No.
Dermot(5796) Disputed
0 points

It's not the woman's body, it's the fetus' body.

So the woman is living in the fetus ‘ body ?

Why shouldn't the fetus have the right to live?

The fetus has zero rights that’s why

It's not harming the mother at all.

It is if the mother doesn’t want it

Denial of this right is unjust and unfair.

Merely your opinion , abortion is legal

The denial of the pregnant woman's right doesn't affect other human rights.

It does , otherwise how is it a denial ?

The only right that abortion threatens is the fetus' life.

The fetus has zero right to life

Why are you against the lives of human beings?

I don’t care either way abort or don’t abort but let the woman choose

Side: Yes.
NKJV(513) Disputed
2 points

Babies have the right to live, so do other human beings...................................................

Side: No.
KJVPrewrath(979) Disputed
1 point

Abortion is murder, and I can prove it....................................................................................................................................

Side: No.
1 point

Prove it then.

Side: No.
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

It does deny a Constitutional right of a woman to preside over her own body. She the woman forfeit that right upon the self-incrimination made to the public. Pregnancy abortion is a self-incrimination of murder made in the public. Human rights Watch has not provided one woman with Maranda for their own protection. Can they explain how officially stopping life is not a confession to murder? Can any woman? All we get is alibi.

Is Female Specific Amputation giving the same admission?

The United States has nothing but Constitutional right to end Pregnancy Abortion by an introduction of united State being placed upon all woman. It is one of my greatest sorrows to carry this effort out having seen firsthand the detriment to the United States Constitution and to woman of this fraud.

I am afraid you have this backward a woman had a constitutional obligation to the general welfare of all woman by her natural ability to produce a citizen of a United State.

It only denies the woman the right to incriminate others in an admission to murder. Gender Specific Amputation is not pregnancy abortion.

Side: No.
2 points

Abortion should be legal.

1. It's the woman's or parent's right to decide if they want to bring a life to earth or not.The right to make these decisions should lie in the hands of the “mother” to make decisions concerning their own to make decisions concerning their own bodies.

2. It would be beneficial in terms of population control.

3. Regarding the rights of the baby, a fetus cannot think or do anything, so it basically do not have any right.

4. Prohibiting abortions doesn't stop abortions, women would simply seek abortions via illegal means which are unsafe & illegal, so it is better to provide woman with safe & legal ways to do an abortion.

5. In terms of humanity, abortion is way better for a child than being alive with no love, care and value. The child may also feel suicidal which will result in ultimate ending and the child may also face abuse by his/her own parents which might depress him/her.

Side: Yes.
1 point

1. It's the woman's or parent's right to decide

One thing for sure,

they should'nt do abortion just because they don't want the baby.

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2. It would be beneficial in terms of population control.

5.child may also feel suicidal and also face abuse by his/her own parents

Abortion is not the solution for these issues

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3. Regarding the rights of the baby, a fetus cannot think or do anything, so it basically do not have any right.

""This country has just ended discrimination based on race. Are we now going to start discrimination on the basis of age? Saying:"I'm older than you, I'm bigger than you, I have a voice - therefore I can kill you." -Jawkins20

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4. provide woman with safe & legal ways to do an abortion.

Yeah, safe but not neccesary.

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5.alive with no love, care and value.

No one experience this.

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Credits to the incredible man named Jawkins20 check out his amusing answer on this link

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Abortion isitrightor_wrong

Side: Yes.
2 points

The problem is the question does not address the issue of crime. The debate claims that Pregnancy abortion is murder when in fact pregnancy abortion is only the confession, admission, or acknowledgement that officially ending life is murder. This is why the alibi of when life begins is used as response to the acknowledgment.

So when you say or ask should admission to murder be legal, the response is yes it should be legal. Issue this term Abortion when used with pregnancy is not America nor was it part of the United States of America it came from outside the nation.

How Pregnancy abortion is addressed as the confession, admission, or Acknowledgment is by fact what is at the core of debate. First due to the fact it is a transferable self-incrimination to a felony crime being admitted, this is saying the criminal is convicting themselves without trial and is providing an alibi to evade punishment by basic principle.

So the second major issue is the self-incrimination is saying all woman must admit to the same crime. Yet clearly we know not all woman are in fact guilty of the crime. It is this hidden action of crime which creates the greatest damage as it is promoting a hidden fraud inside contradiction in medical treatment.

Side: Yes.
1 point

It already is, but anyway. These are just a few cases where people would want an abortion.

1. If the woman has been raped, and doesn't want to harbour her rapist's child (perfectly understandable).

2. If she has a problem that would prevent childbirth, or would make her experience intense pain (possibly death) above the normal amount.

3. If she is underage, is mentally unstable, or is clearly unfit for parenting, then abortion should be a possible option.

Abortion should be given as a possible choice in each scenario. If not, then that would be morally wrong.

Side: Yes.
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

No it is not already legal a proclamation has been placed in law and that law can be tested every day it remains in writing. The crime to be charged does not have to be limited to only the criminal made with the confession used.

1. How does instantly admitting to a felony help any woman? Does she believe she is wrong?

2. You are wrong there is no reason other than if the woman believe she is committing the crime that the confession describes should she openly and publicly admit to that crime. Ever!

3. If there is even a question of her belief held in her mind that she is not guilty, her statement to a public should address that fact. Not openly contradict it.

4. truth of law does not insure it was used legally.

Side: No.
Polaris95(247) Disputed
1 point

What felony? I never mentioned a felony in my post..... Really, I didn't!

Side: Yes.
1 point

abortion should be legal only if there is right condition arise for example , if there is bad life prediction for the baby that is going to be born,

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yes abortion should 100 legal. A woman should have a right to decide what happens to her own body and I believe that no one else should get a say in that. I find it disgusting that it's 2018 and yet so many countries still deny women the right to an abortion, there are so many situations in which sometimes abortion is the best option and women should never be shamed for what they choose to do with their body.

Side: Yes.
achilles_(51) Disputed
1 point

A woman should have a right to decide what happens to her own body and I believe that no one else should get a say in that.

The fetus isn't part of the woman like a limb. The only thing that keeps them attached is the umbilical cord, but that's because the fetus needs it to live, and develop.

I find it disgusting that it's 2018 and yet so many countries still deny women the right to an abortion,

I find it disgusting that it's 2018 and people think that it's ok to kill a fetus, and deny them the right to life.

there are so many situations in which sometimes abortion is the best option

What are those situations that are "so important" that makes murdering the fetus "the best option?"

and women should never be shamed for what they choose to do with their body.

Why doesn't the fetus have a say in the matter? The fetus has its own body, so it's not "her" body.

Side: No.
1 point

Mithraeve abortion should be legal.

1. It's the woman's or parent's right to decide if they want to bring a life to earth or not.The right to make these decisions should lie in the hands of the “mother” to make decisions concerning their own to make decisions concerning their own bodies.

2. It would be beneficial in terms of population control.

3. Regarding the rights of the baby, a fetus cannot think or do anything, so it basically do not have any right.

4. Prohibiting abortions doesn't stop abortions, women would simply seek abortions via illegal means which are unsafe & illegal, so it is better to provide woman with safe & legal ways to do an abortion.

5. In terms of humanity, abortion is way better for a child than being alive with no love, care and value. The child may also feel suicidal which will result in ultimate ending and the child may also face abuse by his/her own parents which might depress him/her.

Side: Yes.
achilles_(51) Disputed
2 points

1. It's the woman's or parent's right to decide if they want to bring a life to earth or not.The right to make these decisions should lie in the hands of the “mother” to make decisions concerning their own to make decisions concerning their own bodies.

So what, are they being dictators towards the fetus? The fetus is a human with rights to life. Since it's human, it's also murder.

2. It would be beneficial in terms of population control.

Why can't we figure out a way to expand?

3. Regarding the rights of the baby, a fetus cannot think or do anything, so it basically do not have any right.

But that's how all humans start out in life. Babies are young and helpless, that's why they need the care of the parents to teach them to think, and learn. Ive done my research, and found that babies actually do think, just not in the same way kids or adults do. Just because it can't survive on its own doesn't mean that it doesn't have any rights.

4. Prohibiting abortions doesn't stop abortions, women would simply seek abortions via illegal means which are unsafe & illegal, so it is better to provide woman with safe & legal ways to do an abortion.

There are already ways to get safe and legal abortions. The law allows them to abort fetuses legally. If abortion was illegal, then the woman can't go to a doctor and aks for an abortion, because it would already be illegal, and plus the doctor would probably say something about it. But if it was illegal, then women would be charged for it.

5. In terms of humanity, abortion is way better for a child than being alive with no love, care and value.

But they could put the baby up for adoption. Adoption doesn't always happen, but it's better than being dead. Why would you think that death is better than not being loved? There's people who have lost families, their homes, friends, jobs, and sometimes limbs, but do they kill themselves? If they're too depressed, then maybe, but part of the time they still become successful. I would say it's better to be alive than to be dead.

Side: No.
1 point

Yes, but only until around 3-4 months (12-16wks), when the foetus is exhibiting voluntary movement, a heart beat, brain signals, reactions to stimuli and more (Source 1). To claim that a 3 month old baby is merely a bundle of cells is only correct insofar as fully developed humans can also be described as bundles of cells.

Sources:

(1) https://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week

Side: Yes.
1 point

foetus is exhibiting voluntary movement, a heart beat, brain signals, reactions to stimuli and more

Even people with comatose can be considered living even if they can't move because of their beating heart, for heart is the core of a being.

but only until around 3-4 months (12-16wks),

Let's lower the days since heart starts to beat at 21 days after conception and abortionist shouldn't be the cause of why the fetus' heart will not beat.

Side: Yes.
WinstonC(1232) Clarified
1 point

"Let's lower the days since heart starts to beat at 21 days after conception"

The heart doesn't start to beat at 3 weeks; it's still a mere blastocyst.

"and abortionist shouldn't be the cause of why the fetus' heart will not beat."

This sounds a lot like an argument for abortion to be illegal from day one, which I disagree with.

Side: Yes.
1 point

YES! Abortions are women's choices. Pro choice is giving the woman to decide to keep the child or abort it. Also, lets say a child got raped. A 11 yr old, you're telling me they have to go through the pain at 11 to give birth? Cruel.

Side: Yes.
6 points

No, abortion shouldn't be legal. It's pretty much a way of brutality murdering babies, which are innocent lives. They're humans, like us, and we should give them the chance to live in the outside world, and experience things for themselves. Liberals try to ban guns, but they allow abortion to made legal, which is stupid. Abortion kills more innocent lives than murders by guns, or other firearms.

Side: No.
Dermot(5796) Disputed
3 points

No, abortion shouldn't be legal.

Merely your opinion and lawmakers and legislators disagree with you

It's pretty much a way of brutality murdering babies

It’s not , why are you calling a fetus a “ baby “ ?

which are innocent lives.

They’re not , they’re potential lives

They're humans, like us,

They’re not maybe you should try and look at images of a fetus and a fully formed human and attempt to spot the differences , if there are any

and we should give them the chance to live in the outside world, and experience things for themselves.

Oh stop , bring out the violins and let’s have a weep in

Liberals try to ban guns,

Ridiculous isn’t it ? 33, 000 gun deaths a year and 18, 000 injuries and people want them banned , why not just bring in more ?

but they allow abortion to made legal

But you’re allowed a choice to carry in the U S but you want to deny choice when it comes to abortion , why’s that ?

, which is stupid.

That’s not an argument

Abortion kills more innocent lives

How do you know their potential lives are going to be innocent ?

than murders by guns, or other firearms.

So it’s cool for gun deaths to happen but not to abort a fetus ......oooookay

Side: Yes.
achilles_(51) Disputed
3 points

Conservatives, republicans, and pretty much all right wingers agree with me.

Okay, so it might not be called a baby, but it's a fetus, and your still murdering it.

Yes they are, they have done literally nothing wrong.

"They're potential lives"

How are they potential lives when they are clearly living?

They're not human because they look different? So is a baby not a human because it's different from a full grown person? They are human, just because they look different doesn't mean they aren't human. The only difference is that one is at a different stage than the other.

Yes there are those amount of deaths, but diseases and accidents and abortions kill WAY more people than guns do, and there are statistics for that.

We have the unalienable right to own guns, but when it comes to abortions, the fetus apparently doesn't have any rights, and apparently not even to be born and live a life, why's that? We all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, so why shouldn't the fetus?

"Oh stop , bring out the violins and let’s have a weep in"

That's not an argument either.

Well first of all I never said they were going to be innocent lives, but a majority might be, but they are still innocent lives since they haven't done anything, and are still fetuses, mind you.

No, it's not okay for gun deaths to happen, and no one said that, but people like you think that it's okay to murder an unborn fetus, what's up with that?

Side: No.
3 points

Merely your opinion and lawmakers and legislators disagree with you

Yeah, except for lawmakers and legislators in 41 states who've created limits on abortion, as well as Mississippi's governor and the Ohio GOP introducing full-on abortion bans.

They're not , they're potential lives

But they're alive. If they aren't, why do they need nutrients?

They're not maybe you should try and look at images of a fetus and a fully formed human and attempt to spot the difference

What about 12-week and 18-week old fetuses? They look pretty similar to babies. Maybe not fully formed adults, but they look like smaller versions of newborns.

Ridiculous isn't it ?

Yes, we finally agree on something.

33, 000 gun deaths a year and 18, 000 injuries

For one, shut up Linguini. You aren't American. For two, that number accounts for gang crime (who can obtain guns illegally), suicides (which can occur through various other means), and self-defense.

why’s that ?

Because the right to own a gun is given to the people by the U.S. Constitution, abortion isn't, Mr. American Law.

That's not an argument

And neither is that.

How do you know their potential lives are going to be innocent ?

No one said they would be innocent of crimes. Fetuses have done nothing to justify their deaths.

So it’s cool for gun deaths to happen but not to abort a fetus

Who said the number of gun deaths wouldn't just move to another platform, like knives or baseball bats? And, no one said the number of gun deaths is acceptable.

Side: No.
NKJV(513) Disputed
1 point

It’s not , why are you calling a fetus a “ baby “ ?

The fetus has its own genetic code, brain, eyes, nerves, hand and foot brints, sometimes is a boy, it is a person with the right to live. It is rude to say someone's mother coulda shoulda woulda had the right to kill them. Even you have the right to live. Birth is just a change in location.

Side: No.
1 point

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Side: No.
5 points

You can't draw a line on where an embryo becomes human. Thus, abortion is definitive murder of a potential life and should therefore be prevented by a responsible government.

Side: No.
Dermot(5796) Disputed
2 points

I agree on your previous point on the other debate as in your phrasing “ potential life “ , I disagree here as in your statement claiming abortion is “ murder “

You agree when you say you can’t draw a line when an embryo becomes human yet the very definition of murder is of one human being by another

Murder

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the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

"the brutal murder of a German holidaymaker"

Side: Yes.
3 points

I want you to follow me a bit on this: if we were to find a single cell on mars or any other planet, we would consider it life. Why should it be that when their is developing baby or fetus as many like to say it, we consider less than life. It is as if because it is not born yet, it is not considered living yet. This could not be further from the truth. If we are going to consider a single cell organism life, then we must consider an organism that is consisting of millions of cells and containing intelligence life as well.

Also, if a person robs and bank and gets caught, we send them to jail. If a person is caught speeding, we give them a ticket. If someone causes an accident, their insurance premiums go up. We as a whole make mistake daily. We have to face those mistakes and suffer the consequences. If you get pregnant my mistake, that is your child. Your consequence is raising it. We cannot always run away from our problems. We must learn to face them. Abortion is just a way to run away from our problems.

Side: No.
2 points

I just think it absolutely asinine that abortion would be legal when in fact it is considered double homicide to murder a pregnant women. At 20 weeks a baby (fetus.. whatever you use to justify this) has tiny feet. at twelve weeks they have rib cages and tiny hands, so know that it isn't a tiny ball of mass. It is a developing human being and should be given its basic rights.

Supporting Evidence: 20 week feet (www.liveaction.org)
Side: No.

I can go both sides on this because If a female is raped and she finds out he is pregnant then, I think there can be some leeway between abortion or not. Don't get me wrong it is murder and I don't like seeing innocent people die everyday but if you are raped and usually most women you are raped are not ready for a child, I do think they have the right to have an abortion. But if you have sex (not rape) and you get pregnant I do think then you should not be allowed to have an abortion. Due to the fact that you can prevent all the risk of getting pregnant from happening.

- Condoms

- Pull out methid

- Not having sex at all

- or even birth control

Yes they all don't always work but only one does work every time and that is just not having sex at all.

I'm not saying that an innocent child should die, yes they have the right to live. So I change my opinion I think they should instead send them to a foster home, or adoption center. Sorry.

Side: No.
JimboShrimp(25) Disputed
3 points

A rape, as tragic and evil as it may be, doesn't justify a death (except perhaps that of the rapist). Certainly the unborn child shouldn't be punished for the rapist's crime.

You wouldn't say that a rape victim is allowed to go and kill an innocent adult simply as a result of their being raped.

Side: No.
2 points

Why does someone get the right to kill someone just because they were raped? Yes, they may not be ready for a child but adoption exists. To me, it sounds like a bully situation; "The bully experienced pain once, so they made another experience pain." Only, with bullies, it's unacceptable. Why is it fine for raped women to do the same?

Side: No.
2 points

My bad on that part I did not think of adoption or even foster homes. That's my fault, but thanks for justifying that and I will make sure to correct myself.

Side: No.
John_C_1812(279) Clarified
1 point

A woman has an inalienable Constitutional right to preserve to gestation period of a human embryo alive in her body. That is why she can be given liberty in the burden of her responsibilities set by nature. She spends her entire fertile life with the loss of life in the hopes of a suitable mate.

What was not understood clearly is if United States Constitution separation can or cannot provide equal protection once a process of admission is started publicly

Side: Yes.
John_C_1812(279) Clarified
1 point

Just to point out some facts artificial insemination is an act of not having sexual intercourse at all. This process may itself create a need for Gender Specific Amputation or female specific Amputation.

Side: Yes.
NKJV(513) Disputed
1 point

Kill the rapist, not the unborn person...................................................................................................

Side: Yes.
1 point

"Pull out methid"

Doesn't work, aside from the sperm in "pre-ejaculate" it's far easier said than done.

Side: Yes.

I can go both sides on this because If a female is raped and she finds out he is pregnant then, I think there can be some leeway between abortion or not. Don't get me wrong it is murder and I don't like seeing innocent people die everyday but if you are raped and usually most women you are raped are not ready for a child, I do think they have the right to have an abortion. But if you have sex (not rape) and you get pregnant I do think then you should not be allowed to have an abortion. Due to the fact that you can prevent all the risk of getting pregnant from happening.

- Condoms

- Pull out methid

- Not having sex at all

- or even birth control

Yes they all don't always work but only one does work every time and that is just not having sex at all.

I'm not saying that an innocent child should die, yes they have the right to live. So I change my opinion I think they should instead send them to a foster home, or adoption center. Sorry.

Side: No.

I agree with this claim I see where you're going with this and I like the fact that you used proof for you're statement also.

Side: No.