"Then he goes and converts"

Yes. The blinding en route to Damascus. The blinding punishment was later rescinded and Paul swore to convert.

Old Habits Die Hard, I like to say.

Ahem. -clears throat-

It might seem crazy what I’m about to say

Sunshine she’s here, you can take a break

I’m a hot air balloon that could go to space

With the air, like I don’t care baby by the way

...

Because I’m happy

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof

Because I’m happy

Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth

Because I’m happy

Clap along if you know what happiness is to you

Because I’m happy

Clap along if you feel like that’s what you wanna do

I don't even really need to say much. Link Posting should do.

http://www.problemswithpaul.com/

http://www.problemswithapostlepaul.com/

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131111021736AAcsWz3

I like the Yahoo answer especially, but the above links work if you have to thump the bible to have something make sense.

Seriously, think about this for a minute. Paul was a zealous, sadistic nutcase who worked diligently to destroy Christianity. Then he goes and converts. Suddenly he calls himself an apostle when NONE of the other ACTUAL apostles do this? He then tells HUGE contradictions that go against many things that Jesus said.

Private Prayer was Jesus' teaching. Paul made it into Public Prayer, which was condemned as exhibitionist. That's just one example.

And nowhere in the Gospels does it say that Jesus despised Homosexuality. That was all Paul's ranting. Also something about how women shouldn't be in positions of power? Maintain quietude?

In my opinion, Paul... excuse me, Saul of Tarsus, never changed. His goal was to destroy Christianity.

He succeeded.

Everything that is wrong with Christianity- can be traced to Saul/Paul the Self-Declared Apostle.

Jesus, I love you with everything I've got, and I love Christianity in it's purest form, but Saul #Rekt your sermons, bro.

-In reference to the hate and lack of tolerance that we see seeping from it.

The four gospels don't say anything about homosexuality let alone say anything wrong with it.

Jesus obsoleted the OT laws apparently.

Those New Testament verses where it hates on homosexuality? Yeah. Paul...

http://www.problemswithpaul.com/

Intelligence over all else. Beauty is nothing without brains.

It's why I'm Bi :3

I think Paul said that latter one in Timothy.

Paul sucks.

Not in our universe. Are you familiar with the multiverse hypothesis?

Well, let's take a look at the fictional-reality hypothesis of the Multiverse theory.

See the link below.

...these viewpoint titles are rigged.

Also, I don't think the questions are whether it should be legal or morally acceptable (Won't touch this area. See a lawyer for details), but whether a zoophiliac relationship is even worth it.

Even if animals can display consent (in whatever forms), they are not as advanced as humans. You will never receive or be able to give the same kind of love to an animal as you can from a human being. Animals have feelings, and are capable of love, but I highly doubt it is for the same reasons that humans love each other.

That's my argument. Is it worth it? Is it actually love, or is it merely perceived?

Granted.

I think the real problem is that Paul (Saul) jerk >_>

I'm with you, Sitara. Not just as a fellow Bisexual, but also because that verse is freaking amazing ammunition here, and I'm already on this side of the argument lol.

Right. The Book of Romans, a series of letters written to Persecution-era Christians by Saul of Tarsus-turned Paul "the Apostle", the same overly zealous sadistic jackass that ruthlessly persecuted Christians for Rome, then inexplicably (blinded en route to Damascus I think?) became a Christian expert and wrote letters to Rome, about Christians, then planned to visit Rome, the capital of the hatemongers which killed Christ and his early followers.

Old habits die hard. A little common sense will tell you that he retained his discriminatory nature. Paul wasn't an Apostle. Saul was the first to weaponize Christianity against people he didn't like.

He called himself an Apostle. None of the original apostles did this. Also I believe there was a "don't be a pretender" line from Jesus somewhere? Pray in private, and don't parade it out on the streets and flaunt it about like "I'm So Fabulous!"

http://www.problemswithpaul.com/ for more details. Chock full of Bible Verses if you must thump :)

EDIT: Updated Version: http://www.problemswithapostlepaul.com/?page_id=23

What about this man's other good deeds, like charity, church, and love of his neighbors? Does that not matter in the eyes of God? Is EVERYTHING null and void when a Gay Man enters the picture?

2. What about all those poor children in poor countries who never heard of anyone called Jesus? Have they sent themselves to hell?

Lmfao. Agreed. Those people who go over to those countries and say they're doing it out of charity, then line up the starving villages and hand out bibles. Those pretentious dicks aren't doing it for charity, they're helping those people because they want a bigger demographic!

So... we're not going to even glance at all the other good things that this man has done in his life? Placing faith in God, giving to Charity, going to Church, studying religion, living happily, obeying the law... trying his best to obey the other laws? Loving thy neighbor, not committing adultery/being unfaithful to his partner...

I doubt that God's overlooking all of that because this guy's with another guy, and not even for inherently sexual purposes (note that their relationship is more about loving each other for who they are as people).

Dude, think for a minute. The man trusts that God will love and accept him for who he is, and he's done the best he could to be an amazing person and the promise of heaven has nothing to do with his behavior. He does it because he is a good human being. If God's going to betray that trust, then "God" isn't worth it. However on a personal level, I myself believe that God will not overlook this man's good qualities for one and one thing only. I love God, and God loves me back, for it is ultimately unconditional. The moment you strap a condition onto "Unconditional Love", it becomes meaningless.

I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that God's going to overlook every other beautiful quality that this man has simply because he's homosexual and refusing "treatment".

There's the skeleton of my argument. Come at me.

Good and Evil are subjective. The only Objective Evil is hurting people for the fun of it and you are consciously aware that what you are doing is commonly perceived as wrong.

Also note: Without evil, we cannot identify good. We have to go through evil to know the righteous. God understands that. It is immature to think that God's going to set up a magnificent paradise for every single being in existence to live in forever and everything is all hunky-dory.

LIFE IS PURGATORY. WE LIVE TO ENCOUNTER TRIBULATION AND CONQUER IT. WE WILL BECOME ALL THE GREATER FOR OUR BEAUTIFUL VICTORIES AND HONORABLE DEFEATS.

How is this side losing?

The universe is 13.7 (or 13.8) billion years old. Estimation: 14 billion. Divide 14 by 2. You get 7. 7 God Days may be the equivalent of 2 billion years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuddhismandChristianity

Really all I can say. I take both sides of this argument. Buddha and Jesus are bros, man... I <3 Saint Oniisan.

I don't think Jesus failed as a teacher. I think that they just gave the messages to the wrong guys and they took it and twisted it to fit their sadistic agendas. I mean really. Paul = Saul, who tried to destroy Christianity. Then Romans persecute the Christians for YEARS and then some time after Constantine, the Romans made it a state religion. I'm not 100% but I think that'd piss off hundreds of Polytheistic Romans or Christian persecutors. Roman Catholics and Middle Ages. Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhh. No comment.

I will bet money that when Jesus comes back, if he comes back in physical form, he's going to take one look at modern Christianity and facepalm. "Did y'all even listen to me?"

He doesn't. It makes no sense.

Basically the idea of Hell as Torment or Isolation goes like this:

Good people go to heaven. Sinners, those who spread Satan's work, go to hell... where Satan thanks them by spawn-killing them over and over and over in the worst ways beyond imagination? What?!

If that were the case, then Satan's playing Jail-Warden and torturer/executioner for the evil scumbags that go against God. That means that God and Satan are in cahoots if God throws bad guys for Satan to beat up in retaliation for sinning.

Realistically, Satan would pat a sinner on the back and tell them to prepare for war. Seriously. God punishes nobody.

Dude, this guy's on my enemy list and I think you're being a bit harsh. Chill. Don't believe in God, so be it. He's also a bit of a chump, which is why he's on my enemy list, but the insult-cursing is a bit irrational. Just asking you to be a bit nicer. Be as critical as you want man, but seriously.

Yes, but not literally as stated. Sure, some animals may have been put on board (like a dog or cat), but 2 of EVERY animal?

That must explain why Mosquitoes... and parasites of other kinds.

Also, if it was only Noah's family and the possible best friend that was on the boat, then shouldn't the repopulated world be full of drooling, inbred morons? We wouldn't have made it to the Roman Republic.

Animals are adept with detecting natural disasters, so I think flooding is a detectable disaster for them. I doubt carrying them around would even be necessary unless they were domesticated or endangered at the time.

Also, it's possible that the previous Ice Age thawed out and the rising water levels took down some civilized areas (Atlantis maybe? Meh. Speculation is something I adore. Sue me) and killed a lot of people/plants/animals.

We've also got myths of bigass deluges just about everywhere.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

Clearly, something happened. Noah was around when it did happen and somebody recorded it later. He wasn't the only survivor though, but he was one of the many survivors including Manu, Deucalion and Pyrrha, etc.

The last Ice Age/Glacial Period was around 13,000 or more years ago, which according to http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSpiritScience

Was the time that Atlantis (continent) went down. Perhaps Noah/Utnapishtim and the others were among those who escaped? If the amount of survivors was so slim, and they got separated while the rest of their lands got pimp-slapped by tidal waves, whatever pre-flood tech they had could have been lost. That could explain Noah's ability to build an ark with a design not practically used again after the flood. (Last I checked the Egyptians/Romans/Greeks didn't have any massive arks.)

Hey. I myself find this idea highly sketchy. I just love speculating and putting pieces together using any and every resource that I can, scientific or religious. Feel free to discuss this with me and help me build up this hypothesis or give me counter-evidence, but I believe that the "Noah's Ark" event did happen, just not in the literal context. There could be so much more to it than we imagined. It excites me to know that, and I just had to share.

Well, yeah. I think they do. Judaism, Christianity, Islam... the brothers of the book, man. All sprang from Abraham. Allah is another name for Jehovah/Elohim/Yahweh/YHWH/God/Grand Arcitect/etc.