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The airline should absolutely not have to apologize for their safety rules. They do need to apologize to this lady though because they were just making up bullshit.
OI mate, I think that they should apologize because it is clearly racism, and everyone has a right to feel like everyone else. Its complete horse dung that they resort to racism on a bloody plane
Did you read my second sentence? The debate question makes the false premise that the airline was actually enforcing a safety rule when it was clearly discrimination for no reason. My first sentence addressed the actual debate question.
The only one who is "tone deaf" here is you and the man who was sitting next to her. The idea that she could not have an unopened can of soda because it could be used as a weapon but could have ordered an opened can of beer makes absolutely no sense. There is nothing inherently different about a can of soda compared to a can of beer that necessitates these safety rules, and her request was not unreasonable considering the ability to order an unopened can of a different kind of drink.
A Muslim gets on a plane, wearing a Muslim hijab so that all the passengers on the plane came see them. The Muslim acts oblivious to the concerns of the other passengers. The Muslim makes a big deal out of a can of coke, when they could have simply accepted the drink that was offered, but No, they've got to get all shook up and further worry the other passengers with their demands. The tone deaf Muslim continues to raise a fuss over a can rather than a cup. No attempt to blend in, no attempt to keep a low profile ----- Tone Deaf
A Muslim gets on a plane, wearing a Muslim hijab so that all the passengers on the plane came see them.
Are you implying that was the point of wearing the hijab?
The Muslim acts oblivious to the concerns of the other passengers.
Only one passenger voiced concern, and it was pure bigotry.
The Muslim makes a big deal out of a can of coke, when they could have simply accepted the drink that was offered, but No, they've got to get all shook up and further worry the other passengers with their demands.
First, nowhere in your source did it indicate that anyone was concerned by her asking for a non-opened can. Second, who cares if she wants to make a big deal out of a hygienic issue? Many people do. There is absolutely no reason they couldn't have brought her an opened can and watched her open it, or simply open it for her right in front of her. They were clearly willing to do that for other passengers. Third, she had every right to be shaken up due to the unequal and clearly targeted treatment she received.
The tone deaf Muslim continues to raise a fuss over a can rather than a cup.
Her being a Muslim had nothing to do with her actions. A non-Muslim could have had the exact same demands. Being a Muslim also should have had no impact on their response. The only people making a big deal out of her being a Muslim are you and the bigot she sat next to.
No attempt to blend in, no attempt to keep a low profile
Now that is ridiculous. Asking for them to provide you with the same service that has been provided (in front of your eyes) to other passengers is completely fine and reasonable. She clearly did not attempt to stick out or raise her profile.
Can you provide one argument as to how the flight attendants behavior was justified? Or is it simply going to be more "She is a muslim, she shouldn't complain"?
Are you really that dense to what's going on in the world? Muslims are killing people due to their own religion's teachings. When you see a middle eastern person the terrorism that is seen everyday in the media, comes to mind. Most especially a person in Muslim garb on an airplane, stirs thoughts of the many murders and attempted murders committed during and since 9/11. Why do you think we spend [TSA Annual budget: $7.39 billion (2014)] on trying to prevent Muslim terrorists from getting on planes? A Muslim intent on murderer and a Muslim just trying to fly to Washington DC, can look exactly the same. Given this situation, why would a Muslim on a plane want to draw attention to themselves. Unfortunately they are indistinguishable from terrorists. In this, they are NOT like everyone else. It is tone deaf to believe otherwise.
These are not bigoted comments, they are in fact exactly what is happening right now. Unless of course your tone deaf to reality.
Are you really that dense to what's going on in the world? Muslims are killing people due to their own religion's teachings.
An incredibly small minority are, and the overwhelming majority of those that they are killing are other Muslims.
When you see a middle eastern person the terrorism that is seen everyday in the media, comes to mind.
Do not tell me what comes to mind. I come across and talk to Muslims every day and I am not so weak minded that I associate them with terrorists.
Most especially a person in Muslim garb on an airplane, stirs thoughts of the many murders and attempted murders committed during and since 9/11.
If an Indian Woman with a hijab reminds you of Saudi Arabian Men without then I think you have some association issues to work through.
A Muslim intent on murderer and a Muslim just trying to fly to Washington DC, can look exactly the same. Given this situation, why would a Muslim on a plane want to draw attention to themselves. Unfortunately they are indistinguishable from terrorists. In this, they are NOT like everyone else. It is tone deaf to believe otherwise.
You have not provided a single argument as to how what she did was wrong. Not as single argument as to why they should have done what they did. Not a single argument as to why she should have been treated the way she did. You are just using this as another outlet for your "Hey guys, I hate Muslims" tirade. This is a debate website, not a forum for you to go on a tirade. Now I will ask you for a second time: Can you provide one argument as to how the flight attendants behavior was justified? Or is it simply going to be more "She is a muslim, she shouldn't complain"?
Guess you haven't been reading my posts. You know where I factually presented my arguments ---------- sooooo not sure what else to tell you.
My OP asked a simple question, which you have yet to comment on. You accused me of hating muslins and going on a tirade with my simple question. If you want to comment on my OP question, please do. If as usual you simply want to troll, I would direct you to the passenger's comment in the story.
Can you or can you not provide any argument as to why
Yep it is reported quite clearly in the story that policy said No Cans..
For all we know the guy with the beer was known to the flight attendant. Speculation can run us in a circle all night.....Leading nowhere.
IMO the Muslim lady got all shook up over a drink of coke. Stupid and unnecessary and tone deaf.
There is nothing inherently less hygienic about a plastic cup and an aluminum can. She was just doing what your doing right now. Displaying an argumentative, pugnacious attitude.
Yep it is reported quite clearly in the story that policy said No Cans..
For all we know the guy with the beer was known to the flight attendant. Speculation can run us in a circle all night.....Leading nowhere.
If the policy is no cans, and they gave the guy a can, then they violated the policy for him. How is that justified, whether they know her or not?
IMO the Muslim lady got all shook up over a drink of coke. Stupid and unnecessary and tone deaf.
She got shook up by unfair treatment. You have not provided a single argument that justifies why they could not bring it to her and have her open it in front of them, or at least open it in front of her.
She was just doing what your doing right now. Displaying an argumentative, pugnacious attitude.
She had her own hygienic issues, and that is her business. For you to try to justify unfair treatment based on your opinions of her hygienic views, and more importantly based on her religion, does not make sense Either they employ the policy for everyone, or no one. What is wrong with that?
OK here it is all spelled out for you. Can = potential weapon.
1. Empty contents.
2. Crush the middle of the can flat
3. Holding each end of the can, flex back and forth until the can breaks in half.
4. Firmly grasp each half of the can in each hand.
Two weapons. See ............. gees
Her failure to recognize the reaction she created by her appearance and manor, is her problem to mitigate, not everyone else's. These people don't know her or what she intends. All they see is what is presented, a Muslim woman on a plane arguing with a flight attendant. If this whole picture still escapes your understanding ------ I give up.
OK here it is all spelled out for you. Can = potential weapon.
1. Empty contents.
2. Crush the middle of the can flat
3. Holding each end of the can, flex back and forth until the can breaks in half.
4. Firmly grasp each half of the can in each hand.
First, the exact same thing can be done with an open can. Second, an open can was given to another passenger. Third, none of that explains the situation in question, given the emphasis on both their violation of safety guidelines for another passenger, and the emphasis on an unopened can.
Her failure to recognize the reaction she created by her appearance and manor, is her problem to mitigate, not everyone else's.
Other people's bigotry is not her responsibility when she isn't making an unnecessary or ridiculous request. She is not responsible for the behavior of others of her religion (who aren't even of her ethnicity, by the way), any more than the man next to her is responsible for white criminals.
You still haven't provided any argument as to why they should have refused to give her an unopened can (emphasis because your link makes no mention of a refusal to give an opened can), nor why it was okay to give an unopened can to another passenger, in violation of the guidelines in question.
I do love this whole "Other people are responsible for proving my biases wrong" thing you are claiming, though. It's a weird way to live life.
It definitely didn't sound like any thought went into it. No one honestly thinks someone is going to use a soda can as a weapon. I am glad you realized you made a mistake.
There clearly wasn't a safety rule if other passengers were allowed to have unopened cans. Thus is the problem.
For the sake of argument though, let's say that the safety rule is in place and the flight attendant merely made a mistake with the beer... There is no reason why the attendant couldn't have handed the women a coke and watched her open it.
