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Spy aircraft over the U.S. China in our airspace,yawn.
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Biden's open border policy has now escalated to his open skies master plan.

After permitting the Chinese to guide their spy balloon over our military installations including our nuclear launch sites and  transmit sensitive/top secret data to the nation which poses the greatest threat to national security before shooting it down, **THE IMBECILE** has now declared that ''it was no big deal'' as we shouldn't be concerned.

Spy aircraft over the U.S.

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China in our airspace,yawn.

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So, THE IMBECILE and the ANTI-AMERICAN FILTH of his Administration sat idly by as the Chinese spycraft made high-definition visual and audio recordings of our country's defense installations and transmitted their intelligence gathering back to the RED Dragon.

The Chinks were allowed to carry out this illegal surveillance at their leisure while our air defense sites were ordered to ''stand down''.

MAN, MAN OH MAN.

Side: Spy aircraft over the U.S.
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THE IMBECILE has now declared that ''it was no big deal'' as we shouldn't be concerned.

Hello N:

Yeah, Biden was right...

The balloon was meant to provoke us, not collect data.. China has spy satellites flying overhead every day, taking pictures, collecting radio signals and other data.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=do+chinese+satelites+pass+over+the+us

Dude!

excon

Side: Spy aircraft over the U.S.
Norwich(1576) Disputed
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You should take heed of the official reports of our defense chiefs instead of remaining in a drug induced fog whilst languishing in cloud-cuckoo-land.

Officials have said that ''the massive balloon shot down was one of a fleet of such spycraft and that a second one was detected over Central and South America while a third was operating at an undisclosed location.

''Such spy balloons were detected over Japan 2020 & 2021 and also over Taipei and India''.

The spy balloon(s) have multiple sensors and antennae as well as transmitter aerials.

THIS MESSAGE FROM THE CHINESE IS;- WE'LL DO WHAT WE WANT, WHEN WE WANT AND WHERE WE WANT AND YOU YANKEES CAN GO FUCK YOURSELVES

THE COMPROMISED IMBECILE'S response, ''yes sir, velly velly good, we'll do just that'' and ANY CHANCE OF DROPPING US ANOTHER BROWN ENVELOPE AT OUR EMBASSY IN BEIJING MARKED FOR MY ATTENTION, INFLATION IS REALLY HURTING.

Side: China in our airspace,yawn.
excon(18261) Disputed
1 point

You should take heed of the official reports of our defense chiefs instead of remaining in a drug induced fog whilst languishing in cloud-cuckoo-land.

Hello N:

I'm stoned, but I ain't a fucking white supremacist!!

excon

Side: Spy aircraft over the U.S.
1 point

This criminal/treasonous negligence by our POCKET-LINING political masters presents the greatest argument yet for all American citizens to own licenced personal protection weapons* as it is clear that our armed forces are not going to be allowed to thwart or repel any attack from HUNTER BIDEN'S PAYMASTERS.

Side: China in our airspace,yawn.
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Ok. I'm no fan of Biden, anyone who knows me can tell you that. But this is more complicated than "balloon not shot down, Biden bad". Unfortunately we don't have all of the information.

What we can infer: China has a geosynchronous satellites watching missile silos and other major military infrastructure 24/7. We are undoubtedly doing the same to them. There is very little, if anything, to be gained from a camera on a balloon but a bit more picture detail, and those silos haven't changed much since the 80s. Instead, the balloon was probably primarily gathering signals intelligence (SIGINT). Now, you'd need an electrical engineer if you want more detail, but it's not difficult to quiet your electronic signature, and even less difficult to jam a balloon with electronic noise, and we almost certainly were doing both. So, there's a good chance that balloon wasn't picking up anything useful ten minutes after it was detected. And if it isn't a threat- which, if it's not picking up useful SIGINT, it probably wasn't - then it's more useful to us if we can get it to a lab mostly intact. Now, does that mean there should be a water landing? I doubt it, not only is it not going to be a much softer landing than on land, but obviously salt in the water will corrode sensitive components.

Should we have shot it down sooner? Yeah, probably. But I also think that it probably wasn't nearly the threat people were treating it as.

Side: China in our airspace,yawn.
Norwich(1576) Clarified
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Of course we're all spying on each other every way possible but, in the main such surveillance activities are conducted within the parameters of international law.

When we went outside the accepted standards that apply to soverigien states with our U2 infringements over the old U.S.S.R., the Ruskies downed our aircraft immediately they had the achieved the necessary missile technology to do so.

China has been conducting illegal surveillance techniques on various nations worldwide for at least two years with what appears to be impuity up until now.

The Chinese have interpreted the West's bureaucratic inertia at their blatant illegal spying as a congenital weakness and are now expressing their indignation at our belated robust response to their provovative criminality.

It's akin to a burglar complaing about being caught red handed raiding a bank.

The old adage;- GIVE THEM AN INCH AND THEY'LL TAKE A MILE is, in my view particularly appicible in this instance.

The other more alarming question which this incident raises is, why did THE IMBECILE who is an indirect recipient of Chinese bribery funding not react sooner in the interests of the nation's security with which he was so foolishly entrusted?

Chinese spy crafts should be destroyed prior to making landfall before they are able gather the intelligence they will find invaluable if and when push comes to shove.

The argument that we would be better to permit their surveillance craft to glide over our top secret military installations so we can shoot them down over dry land is the epitome of, eh, naviety.

Side: Spy aircraft over the U.S.
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I don't contest any point here whatsoever, except the idea that any country is overly concerned with the parameters of international law. You want to know how concerned we are in that department, go look up Operation Hat. No big deal, we just lost a portable nuclear reactor in the Himalayas.

Slightly different questions of whether the individual balloon was a serious threat and to what degree they're employing the same tactics on a grand scale. As easy as this was to detect, I doubt they've been doing this for long over US airspace, but we'll have to see what the investigations shake out.

Side: China in our airspace,yawn.