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Well he said that cyber bullying isn't funny and that it kills people because people who bully the victims are cowards, and trolls who think its funny but its not and if someone commits suicide you could be charged with man slaughter.
If that is the case. Then it's not the cyber bullying doing the killing. It's insecure people who should not be allowed access to the internet, where rude people do exist.
Yes, there's a wealth of data indicating that many young people are taking their lives in response to cyberbullying. I think part of the problem is that my generation doesn't really understand how cyber interactions have become the new norm. We still see face-to-face interactions and the norm and struggle to understand why anyone would get worked up over cyberbullying. But, in todays world, ones cyber identity has become their defacto real identity and cyber shaming via bully, with its potential to be more visible than face-to-face bullying, seems to amplify the shame some people feel.
I guess this isn't really much of a dispute but this one part... I think part of the problem is that my generation doesn't really understand how cyber interactions have become the new norm... struggle to understand why anyone would get worked up over cyberbullying.
The problem is you're looking for logical reasoning. There is none. It's just plain stupidity, evolution in action. There is no reasoning to "understand" when some young person shoots himself in the face because he got pissed at something that happened to his character in Everquest. It's just poor parenting, lack of supervision, madness and stupidity.
It's just poor parenting, lack of supervision, madness and stupidity.
It sounds like you might be inclined to think that suicides related to cyberbullying are a result of petty issues and attention-seeking. That really isn't the case. We're not talking about bullying by anonymous people in distant locations. We're talking about the more damaging cyberbullying that occurs, lets say, when kids attending the same school or who might know one another socially IRL bully one another online in such a way that EVERYONE in that school is privy to the bullying.
And exactly how closely should an adolescent (e.g. 16y.o.) be supervised. I agree they should still have some level of supervision; but it should be minimal. Adolescent development indicates that this is a period where some independence is a necessarily milestone.
You're giving the bully a free pass and putting the blame on the victim and the parents.
We're not talking about bullying by anonymous people in distant locations.
We're talking about that also. Kids don't exclusively kill themselves because their classmates are harassing them, they also commit suicide because anonymous people far away they don't know are making fun of them.
We're talking about the more damaging cyberbullying that occurs, lets say, when kids attending the same school or who might know one another socially IRL bully one another online in such a way that EVERYONE in that school is privy to the bullying.
...and there's still absolutely nothing here to tell me why the victim doesn't just press that little red 'x' in the corner of the screen and be done with it. If I could've pressed a little button any of the times I was getting physically abused and ended it when I did I would've; people who are the victim of cyber bullying actually have that option.
Internet trolls are a fact of life. They are a new fact of life, one that came into existence with the frequent use of computers, but a fact of life nonetheless. There's nothing we can really do to stop internet trolls. They simply have to be ignored. If your solution when dealing with internet trolls is to kill yourself, well, that's natural selection in the age of computers.
Online presence has become an extension of our identity. The consequence is that our identity through childhood is stored for all time. Cyberbullying includes cyberstalking and slander such that it impacts the perception of online identity. Since the damage appears irreparable because of the relative permanence of information online, young individuals may despair.
This is a debate regarding causation, not of the remedy.
Regardless, understanding the etiology of modern suicides could enable us to develop better psych programs to improve the ability to resolve conflict, especially in the cases of the cyberbully and of the cyberbullied.
No but cyberbullying torture the mind mentally which is worse than being killed quickly.Would you rather be tortured to death or quickly get over it & die?
The potential for kids to use the internet as a weapon for bulling is enormous. Estimating that more than 13 million children aged six to 17 were victims of cyber bullying, a poll also revealed that more than two million of those victims told no one about being attacked. One-third of all teens (ages 12-17) and one-sixth of children (ages 6-11) have had mean, threatening or embarrassing things said about them online. 10 percent of the teens and four percent of the younger children were threatened online with physical harm. 16 percent of the teens and preteens who were victims told no one about it. About half of children ages 6-11 told their parents. Only 30 percent of older kids told their parents. Preteens were as likely to receive harmful messages at school (45 percent) as at home (44 percent). Older children received 30 percent of harmful messages at school and 70 percent at home. 17 percent of preteens and seven percent of teens said they were worried about bullying as they start a new school year. 8 percent of those effected by cyber bullying try to commit suicide.
The potential for kids to use the internet as a weapon for bulling is enormous.
How so, if I ever have an disagreement with a person online to the point where I feel I'm being attacked, I leave. I don't think I'd have that option if i was being mugged with a weapon of physical abuse.
Estimating that more than 13 million children aged six to 17 were victims of cyber bullying, a poll also revealed that more than two million of those victims told no one about being attacked.
Of those numbers, how many of them were killed by the bullying. I've been bullied, on this very site, I'm admitting it now. I feel no need to kill myself, if I did, I would not come back here, or I'd do something about getting the persecutor banned rather than leaving myself.
One-third of all teens (ages 12-17) and one-sixth of children (ages 6-11) have had mean, threatening or embarrassing things said about them online.
People are going to talk trash that's inevitable. No one is doing any physical harm by saying "You're an idiot" or "Eat my ass". If those words offend you, don't read them.
10 percent of the teens and four percent of the younger children were threatened online with physical harm.
Physical harm? Now how, pray tell, would a person online cause a person across the globe physical harm?
8 percent of those effected by cyber bullying try to commit suicide.
Of all the facts, the outcome is this. A measly 8% of people not mature enough to take some internet comments in stride, and or leave them be. That's not substantial.
Teens attach themselves to their social media sites. Do you understand the full capability of cyberbullying? You do not have to be online at all. Just because you don't feel like you have the need to die others do. Also it can used as a threat for physical violence. The last thing you said and your entire argument tells me that you are other understand the full form of cyberbullying.
The reason why people kill themselves is because they are being bullied. Cyberbulling is an extension of bullying, but more people have acess to the internet, so it can kill a wider amount of people than regular bullying
Well asides from me not counting them killing themselves as the direct fault of the cyber bullying, with all of the numbers that have been presented we have mostly decided that because it comes down to opinion that some believe it's not a large number others believe it may be.
The reason why people kill themselves is because they are being bullied. Cyberbulling is an extension of bullying, but more people have acess to the internet, so it can kill a wider amount of people than regular bullying
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Cyberbullying online has actually killed a lot of people
That is what I am disputing. Cyber bullying, the act of insulting, threatening, and or offending others online, has not literally killed anyone.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but when I see these comments "I've been cyber bullied" I think "Grow a spine".
It doesn't take rocket science level education to realize you can just leave a conversation.
Bullying in school, where you are threatened and the likelihood that the threat could be carried out is evident, is far different than being threatened online by a person you'll most likely never meet, in a situation you can leave at anytime by pressing the red x in the corner, the circle button on your monitor, or modem, etc. There are tons of ways to avoid being bullied online, so there is no reason it should be life threatening.
When they post stats like One-third of all teens (ages 12-17) and one-sixth of children (ages 6-11) have had mean, threatening or embarrassing things said about them online. I just think I'd be very fucking surprised if not 100% of kids ages 6-17 have had mean, threatening, or embarrassing things said about them in real life. The difference is when you're online you can a) have some degree of anonymity, depending on the situation, and b) literally leave anytime you want.
Maybe it's because I've been in my fair share of real fights, but when you're getting the shit kicked out of you by another group of kids - that's a problem. You're trapped. You're in real physical pain. You are also traumatized or shocked. When some kids are poking fun at you on, say, createdebate.com, either tell them to fuck off and ignore them or if you really can't handle it get off the goddamn website. Because this is all happening through a computer, there is no way in hell for you to actually be in any physical pain or danger unless you choose to hurt and endanger yourself.
I guess what I'm saying is kids these days need to embrace "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."
Bullying is a real problem.
Cyber-bulling is a mild irk that the media has blown way out of proportion.
I just think I'd be very fucking surprised if not 100% of kids ages 6-17 have had mean, threatening, or embarrassing things said about them in real life.
I completely agree with you there. I have been threatened and embarrassed in both real life, and online, it's unavoidable in real life, but at least online I have zero fears of it coming to fruition.
The difference is when you're online you can a) have some degree of anonymity, depending on the situation, and b) literally leave anytime you want.
Exactly. Living proof of this is Prodigee. His opinions are boisterous, uncalled, for, offensive, often rude, I could go on all day, yet he has nothing to worry about because no matter what anyone says to him they can't follow through, and if he ever gets bored with us, he can just leave.
Maybe it's because I've been in my fair share of real fights,
I didn't need to quote all of it, I read, and I also agree with this. I have been in real fights, lost some won some. Maybe these people that see cyber bullying as a major issue, that they claim takes lives, need to be put into real bullying situations to understand that there is a difference.
I guess what I'm saying is kids these days need to embrace "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me
I couldn't have put it better myself.
Cyber-bulling is a mild irk that the media has blown way out of proportion.
I don't think you are understanding the full effect of cyberbullying. You and Quocalimar both are still not understanding why it is "blown way out of proportion".
Because middle aged housewives want something new to bitch about? It's the same 20/20 specials about cyber bullying that also tell these housewives that starbucks is the best thing for your health since pinkberry, so...
Its a major problem for the students that have their lives decline because of it. But i already debated with Quocalimar on what we consider to be alot so depending on your perspective it may or may not be alot.
It's not really a major problem when they are allowing their lives to decline because of it.
You said it was 8% of bullying victims that attempted suicide? Well, 7% of high school students in general will attempt suicide. For every 100 people that attempt suicide, only 1 actually want to enough to succeed. So we're looking at 1% of 8% of victims.
Of that small group, (that actually killed themselves) almost 80% was also bullied in real life. Only 17% was bullied exclusively online. Of that group 32-47% had a preexisting mental disorder.
The thing is 1,040,000 kids die each year. To me that's a significant number. It all depends on how you look at it because it also included people below the high school level. Again it just falls in to your opinion on if this is a number worth noticing.
Why is the number of children who die each year singificant to this argument? They are clearly not all children who committed suicide, and even if they were not all of those suicides could be linked to cyberbullying. The actual number of youth suicides 0-17 is like 8-10 per 100,000. That's like .009% of the youth population that will actually kill themselves each year. And again, not all of those suicides can be linked to cyberbullying. And when they can be linked to cyberbullying they can also almost always be linked to real bullying and a little less than half the time be linked to mental illness.
If a million kids actually died each year as a direct and clear result of cyberbullying and just cyberbullying, your statistic would have some weight in this argument. As it stands, not so much.
No. The poll revealed that out of the 13million kids in the USA. 8% of those kids commit suicide. So it is a major thing to my argument. It a million kids dying. All linked to cyberbullying. So yes this number is very relevant and to me is quite major.
Can I just see the poll? Can you link it, please? I'm having a hard time believing a million kids tried to kill themselves last year as a direct result of cyberbullying.
My argument overall is that cyber bullying has not literally killed anyone, people kill themselves because they don't know how to handle it.
One of the points in my argument was that 8%, even if they are suicides and not actually kills, is not that large of a percent.
Another point I addressed is that cyber bullying, as opposed to real world bullying, can easily be avoided. One must simply log off. That is an exact quote, how is that illogical?
As I have said before. I am not sure you understand all the fundamentals of cyberbullying.
I don't think I do either. Tell me something about cyber bullying that is unavoidable. Something anyone that decided to log onto that site, can't leave by logging off.
This is what you are missing. Cyberbullying is at its worse when people say things about you online and begin the threaten you. Once a portion of students see this and begin to spread this it is known as bullying. You do not have to be online. These people will threaten you and post public things about people. This is considered cyberbullying. You have to understand that logging off isn't fully avoiding the true reality of he situation.
Cyberbullying is at its worse when people say things about you online and begin the threaten you.
How can words make you feel pain?
Once a portion of students see this and begin to spread this it is known as bullying.
You mean in the case of social media sites. That's a different case. That is a case where the interactions can lead to the real world, where being hurt can actually occur. Though as the debate asks, that's not an example of cyber bullying causing a single, let alone a lot of, deaths. It's instead an example of cyber bullying leading to real world consequences.
These people will threaten you and post public things about people.
I still don't see how that kills even a single person.
You have to understand that logging off isn't fully avoiding the true reality of he situation.
So by logging off, I can still be affected by the person on my blog telling me to kill myself? How? Will his words somehow reach me through the internet and strangle in my sleep.
So apparently students aren't real world? Lots of students go through this and those who have died as being washed down the drain by your words. Cyberbullying is at its strongest in social media sites and students are attracted to them. When yours peers are all making fun of you and you can overhear their conversations it turns your world into hell. Its not a different case. This is the biggest case. It was my whole argument. The things people say will float around in school. You get funny looks and people snickering when you walk by. From my own eyes I know this is a terrible place to be in but to you they do not seem significant enough to help or even acknowledge.
That is a case where the interactions can lead to the real world, where being hurt can actually occur.
That was my quote unquote line about students and the real world.
Lots of students go through this and those who have died as being washed down the drain by your words.
What killed them?
Cyberbullying is at its strongest in social media sites and students are attracted to them.
This is still not evidence of the phenomenal amount of deaths that cyber bullying has allegedly caused. This is just showing that kids shouldn't be on social media sites if they can't stand having their feelings hurt.
its strongest in social media sites and students are attracted to them. When yours peers are all making fun of you and you can overhear their conversations it turns your world into hell.
In the real world, yes. Online I don't see how when you can log off at any time. Why don't you see that. Logging off is always a possibility.
Its not a different case. This is the biggest case. It was my whole argument.
Your whole argument is how cyber bullying exists? Even if it does, that's not evidence in it's self of the outstanding number of deaths it caused.
Yet you still aren't realizing what I am saying. Logging off will jot save you from humiliation from your peers. What killed the students? Themselves. What influenced them to do it? The words from the cyber bullies. You must not have experienced true cyber bullying or either simply do not understand what it fully is. My argument isn't about how it exists. It is about those people who died. That cyberbullying carries weigh offline. That children are being influenced by the words from these people. Also how you still do not see how cyberbullying can influence suicide.
Yet you still aren't realizing what I am saying. Logging off will jot save you from humiliation from your peers.
If your peers are humiliating you, they are doing it in the school, or in the workplace, or wherever but they are doing it in person. At that point, cyber bullying has nothing to do with it. If they wanted to attack you verbally, they would have done it in person if you had never logged on to the social media site in the 1st place.
What killed the students? Themselves.
Boom! That's the ticker. They killed themselves because they weren't ready to use the internet and it's social programs. There is no reason anyone should feel a need to kill themselves over some harsh words, but if they do, it's no one's fault but themselves. People naturally have hateful things to say, letting those hateful things run your life is a personal issue.
You must not have experienced true cyber bullying or either simply do not understand what it fully is.
I have been told to leave sites, I have been told many times to kill myself. I have on YouTube been called a "Typical American slime dog" or something of that caliber. What cyber bullying you're talking about, where a group of people get together to belittle one person, they then commence to belittle that one person in the real world.
What killed the person in the end was themselves, what influenced them in the end was the people, in person. If they had never joined Facebook, the people to insult them would have skipped over that means, and would have choose to do it in person instead.
The issue still remains, where is this outstanding, high, lot of people that cyber bullying has killed?
My argument isn't about how it exists. It is about those people who died.
You said once in the beginning about the people who died from it, and not once again.
That cyberbullying carries weigh offline
Yet if that person had never joined the site, the cyber bullying would have taken place not online, but in person.
Also how you still do not see how cyberbullying can influence suicide.
Because in the end it's not the online words that make you want to go harry karry, it's the words and fear in person. If you are reading them then start thinking about suicide, you need to reassess your values.
Humiliation from peers in school from cyberbullying won't be face to face. To not be able to fit in society like you want to because everyone will mock you is nerve wrecking for most students. Theye killed themselves yes. What influenced that, which you avoided to mention, is the root cause. Cyberbullying is not just name called or threats from someone that you will never meet. Its about the degradation of your social life in school from kids who decide to mock you by using a mass media site such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. In the end the kid who commits suicide was influenced by the actions of the cyberbullyies and how their life has turned to ashes. In the end this type of bullying is called Cyberbullying.
Humiliation from peers in school from cyberbullying won't be face to face.
If it's not face to face then it's no issue. I don't mean literally face to face I mean in person. If the snickering and name calling is happening, it would have happened any way.
To not be able to fit in society like you want to because everyone will mock you is nerve wrecking for most students.
How is that the fault of the internet. That is the fear of students, not the fear of anyone using the internet.
They killed themselves yes. What influenced that, which you avoided to mention, is the root cause.
They killed themselves because they weren't ready to use the internet and it's social programs.
That was my reasoning, if the bullying happened online, and the person logged off the bullying would continue outside of the internet. If the bullying even took place at all, it would not have mattered that person was online or not.
Cyberbullying is not just name called or threats from someone that you will never meet.
Cyber bullying is the use of the Internet and related technologies to harm other people, in a deliberate, repeated, and hostile manner.
I also never said that it was bullying in a settign with a person you'll never meet, I said "where a group of people get together to belittle one person"
Its about the degradation of your social life in school from kids who decide to mock you by using a mass media site such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
You addressed the other media, but you only limited it to students. 'Cyber bullying' can happen to anyone, not just people in school, it's biggest problem is when it's brought into the real world, yet at that exact moment it becomes not an internet problem but a real world problem it is no longer cyber bullying's fault, it's real world bullying's fault. As I said before, the bullying in the real world would have happened even if they had not joined the site in the first place.
In the end the kid who commits suicide was influenced by the actions of the cyberbullyies and how their life has turned to ashes.
I disagree, I believe that the issue online would have started in the real world if the person who was bullied, had never went online. The nature of people is to pick at people, they found it easier to pick at them online, but if they could not get to them online, they would have simply done what comes natural in person.
In the end this type of bullying is called Cyberbullying.
In the end? So cyberbullying ends online? The log off, it's as simple as that.
No, my attitude is that bullying is bad, and that if I see a person being bullied I will try to prevent it. The debate doesn't ask, "What do you feel about cyber bullying" The debate says, "Cyberbullying online has actually killed a lot of people: Agree or not"
I stated, based on logical evidence provided, how it hasn't. No one but Lizzie has even raised a single logical argument against that.
You certainly haven't.
Quotes.
I almost killed myself due to cyber bullying by conservative Christians.
Regardless of the fact that that is you almost doing something to yourself over the things they said, it's not evidence showing the substantial number people cyber bullying has killed.
I almost killed myself due to cyber bullying by conservative Christians.
A repost.
If you down vote without making a logical comment down voter, you are a coward. Probably a conservative Christian Republican.
Nothing, not even a single word about Cyber bullying, it's affects, the number of people who have been killed, or anything relating to the topic.
You are so wrong. All forms of bullying are harmful, and that does not make the victim less than human. Go ahead and down vote this too since you down voted my other post.
No one said a victim is less than human, and with the statement "all forms of bullying is harmful, you gave no evidence. No numbers, no link. Nothing.
I know what it is like to be bullied. My father abused me in every way possible, and it is a miracle that I am still alive. I was also cyber bullied by many conservative Christians. Do not tell me that bullying is not harmful. You do not know what I have been through.
Personal insight, qualifies as logic, but when based off of facts like "A lot of people killed" it's not. The statement then goes into a whine about how tortured you are, and how much you've survived, yet doesn't go into a single fact about it's substantial number of fatalities.
Cyber bullying almost killed me. .
As I asked, How? That's not disputing your tale, it asking literally how? You still haven't said how, and what ever the answer is it won't change the fact that it has not killed a great deal of people.
You have no right to dispute what has happened in MY life because you do not know me, and you are not God. I am not going to waste my time with a troll like you. You are probably a bully yourself. That is why you are defending bullies.
Falling off of the point again, no where did you mention the point.
Are you not seeing what destruction it can cause? You seem to void it each time you post a reply to my responses. I never blamed the internet for anything. Bullying is still bullying. It not because they weren't ready to use the internet, that's silly, it because of how their lives have declined and continue to decline because of cyberbullying. All the example you gave of yourself only fitted your personality type and your experiences. Also one doesn't even need an account for cyberbullying to take effect. You keep saying cyberbullying ends on line when that's were it starts and it finishes outside of the internet. The critical reason I am continuing to reference students is because that's the biggest crowd of people affected by cyberbullying. The next level for the "real world" you continue to mention is practically hacking, tapping, or even spamming someone. That's is the "real world" terminology for it. This real world you mention. Do students not below to this real world? Are they not apart of this society? They suffer from things but you say that they should "grow a spine"?
Are you not seeing what destruction it can cause? You seem to void it each time you post a reply to my responses.
I said countless times, that the problems caused by internet bullying is the people who feel sad about the comments and shoot themselves, or when the problem is brought into the real world making it real world bullying not cyber. I reply to the topics addressed.
What you fail to mention in every reply is the lot of people that internet bullying has killed. It has killed a lot compared to what? Driving accidents, I don't think so. Gun violence? Nope. How about drugs and or alcohol, still no. Maybe we should put it against it's rival, real world bullying. How has it fared against that, i think the prize goes to real world bullying.
Bullying is still bullying
Yes, but internet bullying can not harm anyone. Physical disputes can, anything online, and after this I will stop saying it because you seem to neglect it, Can be avoided byleaving.
It not because they weren't ready to use the internet, that's silly, it because of how their lives have declined and continue to decline because of cyberbullying. Obviously they are not ready to be on a server with other people, the internet, if they can't cope with people bad mouthing them.
All the example you gave of yourself only fitted your personality type and your experiences.
My examples, included turning off the monitor, leaving the site, reporting that person, other things I'm pretty sure anyone who owns an internet device, (which you must to be bullied on it) can do.
Also one doesn't even need an account for cyberbullying to take effect.
True, but without the device, it won't. It's like not having sex is the sure fire prevention method for pregnancy, and other std.
You keep saying cyberbullying ends on line
To quote you, you last reply actually said that. "Humiliation from peers in school from cyberbullying won't be face to face"
Saying that it doesn't come face to face means that it's stopping. In the real world, it only continues online.
when that's were it starts and it finishes outside of the internet
This is a contradiction to your statement quoted above but none the less, if it's progressed to being outside it's now real world bullying.
The next level for the "real world" you continue to mention is practically hacking, tapping, or even spamming someone.
All real, none deadly.
Do students not below to this real world?
When did I ever say that didn't? Show me that quote please.
I notice you won't step into the mentality of a person who has been affected by cyberbullying. You say since its face to face that its ends. It doesn't. Its the persons life that is being degraded. Even if the student has no phone cyberbullying can still take effect. You must realize that these actions are quite destructive. Leaving the site, abandoning technology, will not stop you from being cyberbullied. You are only viewing this from one point. Also I never contradicted myself but this does she me that you are limited in the understanding of cyberbullying. You also say that the real world things like hacking, tapping, or even spamming aren't deadly. Have you seen a good hacker deteriorate someone's life? Hacking can destroy lots of things people cherish in the technological world. Also you keep saying when "in the real world". You are practically misplacing the students. Also what I find very disturbing is the fact that since cyberbullying does not kill as many as cars or guns do makes it non-acknowledgable. So in a sense you are sayin that they also don't matter. Since their statistics are high we disregard them? Wouldn't that practically be unfair?
I notice you won't step into the mentality of a person who has been affected by cyberbullying.
I don't really think I need to. I have been bullied in person. By people's words, that I brushed off, although I respect that some can''t, and by physical threats and being shoved that I retaliated to, that I also respect some can't.
You say since its face to face that its ends.
Well where could it progress to after that?
It doesn't. Its the persons life that is being degraded. Even if the student has no phone cyberbullying can still take effect.
How?
Leaving the site, abandoning technology, will not stop you from being cyberbullied.
How?
You are only viewing this from one point. Also I never contradicted myself
I showed you the quotes.
You also say that the real world things like hacking, tapping, or even spamming aren't deadly. Have you seen a good hacker deteriorate someone's life?
No, show me how they kill?
Hacking can destroy lots of things people cherish in the technological world.
I know the dangers of hacking. Losing your life's savings. Affecting your grade. Even changing all of your personal info. Although some people cope, other's can't. As for the point in question, how is that 8% "a lot of people"?
Also you keep saying when "in the real world".
By real world, I mean the place where you aren't reading typed letters. In the case of the students, the real world is school, the non real world, is face book, and whatever social media site they are using. The disputes take place on these sites, but when the people are through arguing online, they bring it to school (the real world) where it's now real world bullying.
Also what I find very disturbing is the fact that since cyberbullying does not kill as many as cars or guns do makes it non-acknowledgable
I only said it's not high. it's low compared to gun stats and others.
. So in a sense you are sayin that they also don't matter.
I only said it's not high, as the question asked.
Since their statistics are high we disregard them? Wouldn't that practically be unfair?
I never said to disregard them, as the question asked I simply stated they are not high, relatively.
You see all it takes to begin the process of cyberbullying is a bully. That bully just has to post things about a certain someone and never communicate with them. These words from the bully are going to circulate around the school. When does it end? If the bully stops, if the rumors die down, if the victim changes schools, etc. Also I saw the quotes. You misunderstood them. Also Hacking can degrade the quality of someone's life. A business can be ruined. Privacy is invaded. Your life begins to decline in quality. Also it depends on your own view of alot of people. The statistics said each year. It said each year at least 13 million kids between the ages of 6-17 are affected. 8% of those kids commit suicide. So lets do some math. It is approximately 1,040,000. That many kids die each year from cyberbullying. If that is not alot then I do not know what is.
That bully just has to post things about a certain someone and never communicate with them.
True, if they wanted to hurt someone that person had to be there to be hurt by it. If one never came to the site, the talk of the site would be of no concern to them.
If the person never came to the site but the bully still wanted to hurt them, they would do it in person. By in person I of course don't mean to the person I mean, in a place where the person could hear about it.
These words from the bully are going to circulate around the school.
First they will circulate online, where if you don't pay it any mind, it won't be an issue at all. Then it will be take to the place where the victim can hear about it, and at that point, the point where it's now around the person and not online, it is now a real world bullying situation.
When does it end? If the bully stops, if the rumors die down, if the victim changes schools, etc.
Okay, yes. But the place that it ends, we are now agreeing is outside of the computer, in a place where the victim can be physically affected by it. This is now now a 'real world' bullying situation.
A business can be ruined. Privacy is invaded. Your life begins to decline in quality.
All very possible yes, all do not directly cause death. Death is finalized by the person, the victim, taking their own life. Even if this does count as Cyber bulling killing a person, the number of people this has happened to, is factually not a lot.
e statistics said each year. It said each year at least 13 million kids between the ages of 6-17 are affected.
As the question ask, does it kill a lot?
8% of those kids commit suicide.
Now we begin with the topic. Of the 7.075 billion people that exist, only 13 million are cyber bullied, that is a very small percentage overall. Out of the small percentage that are bullied, the death rate is an even smaller percent. Amounting to mere thousands. That, is why I say it's not a lot.
1,040,000
Out of 7.075 billion = not a lot.
Of this site. The number as of 2012 is this many people world wide existing. 7,075,237,671
That's bot alot? Tell me did alot of people die in 9/11? According to your logic no. 1,040,000 people isn't alot? That's like an entire city. How is a million deaths each year not alot? I see your method of minimizing my argument but if you were to ask someone if a 1 million people is alot of people the will mostly say yes. And remember that this is an American poll.
That's bot alot? Tell me did alot of people die in 9/11? According to your logic no.
Agreed. I would say no because compared to the population it's a small number, pretty much insignificant.
Even if we dial it back to just the 3, million people who have even been around cyber bullying. Only(mind me for that) only 8% were killed. I mean of the 313,914,040 U.S. citizens, 15.1 % were impoverished in 2010. There is a higher percentage(not number, just percentage) of people who were living in poverty than percentage of people who killed themselves due to cyber bullying.
Even out of 100, 8 is not substantial.
I couldn't find a pie graph showing bullying and what not, but this one shows the 8% out of 100%.
It's pretty small.
That's like an entire city.
An entire city out of an entire country is not a lot.
I see your method of minimizing my argument but if you were to ask someone if a 1 million people is alot of people the will mostly say yes.
Most people would, but inquisitive people like me, tend to say compared to what. 1 million dollars is a lot to me, yet I am comparing it subconsciously to how much money I have seen in person. When if I were to sit down and compare it to all the money that wealthy well of people make have, I'd say on second thoughts it's not a lot.
But if we cut to the chase 1 million is still a big number of people dying from cyberbullying. I mean for something of its caliber I would say that's alot of people. But I see this as more of a perspective thing. In a sense you would be correct and in a sense I would be correct.
But if we cut to the chase 1 million is still a big number of people dying from cyberbullying.
To label anything as an adjective we need a comparison. In this case I'd say "1 million is a big number...compared to what?"
My answer is compared to the several billion people alive.
Also where did you get 1 million from? You stated of the three million people that were cyber bullied, 8% of them died, now you say one million as if 1 million is 8% of 3 million?
. I mean for something of its caliber I would say that's alot of people.
This is where we boil away to my opinion vs your opinion. So long as the facts, the numbers, and the hard evidence is on the table neither side can gain lee way. All we have to go on is this. "Is 8% of 3 million a large amount?" and as I said, I don't think it is, I would compare it to other large amounts, you believe it is, because either way you look at it, it was a city's amount of lives.
But I see this as more of a perspective thing. In a sense you would be correct and in a sense I would be correct.
Yeah but this just comes down to opinion and view point and I have to acknowledge your way of seeing it or else I can't even begin disputing it. Technically both of us aren't wrong.
You are so wrong. All forms of bullying are harmful, and that does not make the victim less than human. Go ahead and down vote this too since you down voted my other post.
I know what it is like to be bullied. My father abused me in every way possible, and it is a miracle that I am still alive. I was also cyber bullied by many conservative Christians. Do not tell me that bullying is not harmful. You do not know what I have been through.
How did the words, as 'evil' as you believe them to be, over the internet, almost kill you in real life. how were you almost physically affected by letters and words?
You have no right to dispute what has happened in MY life because you do not know me, and you are not God. I am not going to waste my time with a troll like you. You are probably a bully yourself. That is why you are defending bullies.
You have no right to dispute what has happened in MY life because you do not know me, and you are not God.
I am a person with the right to freedom ogf speech. I can do wahtever that entitles, even if it is call you on your bull, but I digress.
Show me solid, quoted proof, of me disputing the facts of your life. Don't respond to me unless you're ready to really debate about the issue. This is about Cyberbullying online has actually killed a lot of people. You're talking about how I'm insulting you, yet you won't show me how I insulted you.
I am not going to waste my time with a troll like you.
Yet you replied to me. I leave you alone since I know you don't like to debate you prefer to mindlessly argue, you can do the same.
You are probably a bully yourself. That is why you are defending bullies.
Again, another illogical, unwarranted insult, that has nothing to do with a point in this debate.
Even if I were a bully that doesn't state how bullying online(if it even exists) has killed anyone let alone a lot of people.
No one has the right to unfairly judge another human being. You do not know me, therefore you do not have the right to judge me. Oh, and you are banned from all of MY debates now. Two can play this game sweetheart. Muah! ;)
