Is God all powerful?
Apparently this argument against christianity is very common, although the first time I ever heard it was today.
So I decided to make a debate out of it :)
Personally, I am a christian, so I believe God is all powerful.
But there was one atheist who made me think .. like seriously. I was so confused for a moment, then I realized how right he was.
He said this:
Can God make a rock so heavy, that He cannot lift it?
If he can't - then He's not all powerful.
If he can - then He's not all powerful.
You get it?
Considering this - do you think God is all powerful?
God is all powerful
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God is not all powerful
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I must say the arguments supporting God here are worthless, pointless and irrelevant. Seriously, how can you support your faith with this? God can make the rock growing but he could lift it if it kept growing. With God anything is possible God can make the rock grow bigger and bigger and he could still lift it because God is powerful. God is the all powerful, all knowing, and a perfectionist. With God all things are possible. Guys...God is all powerful because....he is the creator...and if takes ur mid u cannot do a thing....u think that god does nothin...we humans do...but u all r wrong...if takes ur mind then u r gone How do those arguments make any sense at all, considering what I asked you about? I am a Christian - but still I like to support my own belief, and in this case I can't. At the end I gotta say, that some of you that I didn't mention, actually made a good point. God can't make a round square and stuff like that kinda made sense. But in my head it's just wordplay.. but I guess it kinda makes sense to some people. There are two things, that the bible says God can not do. He can not lie, and he can not die. He is also 'allergic' to sin - and a person who can't sin is not all powerful. The definition of 'almighty' is: A person who is capable of doing anything and everything. God can't sin, can't lie, can't die. The bible says it - so there you have it. God is not all powerful, because an all powerful person would be powerful enough to kill himself - or he wouldn't be all powerful. My God is powerful, the MOST powerful of all. To be all powerful is simply impossible. Side: God is all powerful
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He can not lie, He could if he so chose, but the quality of omnibenevolence prevents this. He can lie, but he wouldn't. he can not die. Death is an act of impotence, not omnipotence. When someone dies, we don't say "whoa, look at the power of them!" a person who can't sin is not all powerful. See my first point. Side: God is not all powerful
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Can you have a married bachelor? Can you have an 80-year-old infant? Can you have a blonde headed brunette? Its all word games. Because God is all-powerful, He cannot be non-all-powerful. Because God is all-knowing, He cannot be non-all-knowing. Because God is all-good, He cannot be non-all-good. Asking if God can make a rock that is bigger than He can lift is like asking if you can have a married bachelor. Its impossible, by definition. Side: God is all powerful
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I just got done praying. I asked God, "Are you all powerful?" He said "shut up!" I asked him if he could make a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it? He said "Have you ever heard of free will you little turd?" Whatever, I don't understand alot of what he says! Side: God is all powerful
shut up Not an answer. Pretty much a human's excuse for avoiding something they cannot answer. Have you ever heard of free will you little turd? Lol why is God so borderline PG rated? And using free will as an answer is irrelevant to the question. Free will only concerns us humans, not God. Geez, didn't God invent language?? Shouldn't he be a master of words? Side: God is all powerful
Can God make a rock so heavy, that He cannot lift it? God can make the rock growing but he could lift it if it kept growing. Many people say "If God is all powerful why doesn't He get rid of evil?" The reason why is because if God eliminated evil right now would you and I be here? No we wouldn't because everyone thinks evil thoughts and do evil things. Everyone has sinned or has done some sort of evil in God's eyes. God will eliminate evil but when He come back for His second coming when He defeats Satan and His minions. God only works under "Heavenly Standard Time." And in Heaven their is no time but their is a verse in the Bible that says that a 1000 years is like a day in heaven. Side: God is all powerful
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God can make the rock growing but he could lift it if it kept growing. So he couldn't just will it into existence? The reason why is because if God eliminated evil right now would you and I be here? But your God is evil, if he got rid of evil he would be getting rid of an aspect of him making him imperfect. No we wouldn't because everyone thinks evil thoughts and do evil things. Speak for yourself. God will eliminate evil but when He come back for His second coming when He defeats Satan and His minions. See above point about God being evil. God only works under "Heavenly Standard Time." What? And in Heaven their is no time but their is a verse in the Bible that says that a 1000 years is like a day in heaven So there is time or there isn't time, which one is it? Side: God is not all powerful
So he couldn't just will it into existence? With God anything is possible so He could will it into existence. But your God is evil, if he got rid of evil he would be getting rid of an aspect of him making him imperfect. No my God is not evil he is good. Just because He did somethings like flood the earth doesn't make him evil. No God wouldn't be getting rid of Himself since He isn't evil and God is perfect and He has never sinned where as we as human have all sinned. So there is time or there isn't time, which one is it? Their isn't time. But their are days and 1000 years is like a day in Heaven Side: God is all powerful
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Many people say "If God is all powerful why doesn't He get rid of evil?" The reason why is because if God eliminated evil right now would you and I be here? No we wouldn't because everyone thinks evil thoughts and do evil things. Everyone has sinned or has done some sort of evil in God's eyes. Here's my problem. He can get rid of evil without elimating us. If that's not possible then he's not all powerful. All he has to do is modify every human will to be strong enough to say "no" to anything evil and then eliminate all present evil things. This is why so many atheists and non-christians say that if God exists, God is either incompetent, unwilling/evil or not all powerful. Side: God is not all powerful
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Etiher God can make the rock or he can't. Either way - he's not all powerful. I just want a valid argument against this question. Because atheists ask me these question - and it annoys me, that I have nothing to reply and defend my belief with. I don't defend my beliefs to others - but I do defend my beliefs to my self, you understand? Side: God is not all powerful
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Faith, by definition, is believing something even though there's not a shred of evidence to support your beliefs - sometimes even believing in something despite evidence against it. Because your faith, and, by extension, the stuff you believe in operates outside of reason, you will occasionally be faced with a question that challenges that faith and that you can't answer. But that's the beauty of faith. You are not evaluated on how much sense your faith makes, or on how well it answers questions like these, but by how piously you stick to your faith, regardless. So stick to your guns. Believe anyways. Have faith. View this wordplay trickery as a challenge, a test for and of your faith, and you will be all the more virtuous (in the eyes of your fellow Christians) for overcoming it. And by "overcoming it," I don't mean providing the "valid argument" you're looking for, because you will never find that in your faith; I mean overcome it by denying the evidence right before your eyes and choosing to believe anyways. Side: God is not all powerful
God can make the rock grow bigger and bigger and he could still lift it because God is powerful. Just to point out don't listen to what atheists say it can be confusing sometimes of what they say. Just stick with what you believe in. That's how I keep going. I understand. Side: God is all powerful
topic is god is all powerful why we say that this is your god this is my god god is one but in hindus 'brahma ,visnu, mahesh are the hindus worship and in muslim ali god they worship and in chirtnaty the god is isamasi this is difrent name of god but they all are one and they all are powerful they are not power full why they called as god why Side: God is all powerful
God is absolutely not like a human. If he seeing GOD like a human he really wrong. We are mostly like a dust. What the different us with the other things is a BRAIN that He gave us to think and to find the truth and us is the most powerful creation He ever create. Looks around and if you think it carefully and deeply. You will know it. Side: God is all powerful
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You think pictures are evidence? We live in 2012, we have photoshops. There are plenty of pics of God and stuff. Second of all, pics or it didn't happen That is really lame to say. You are stating, that if I don't have pictures of my birth, I was never born. And that is really stupid to say. Side: God is not all powerful
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Hi all, That's the beauty of life is that we can make our own decisions. God gives us the choice from right and wrong. Robots on the other hand are programmed and do not have choices. Which would you rather be? Do we blame our parents for our mistakes and screw ups? God gives us earth and life..I'ts up to us what we do with it. This world that we live on is like a basketball try out or test. Some will make it, some will fail. "But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness" 2 Peter 3:13 <3 Side: God is all powerful
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Spiteful theology 101 queries like that don't undermine the omnipotence of God because they operate under the assumption of ultimate human knowledge, which is antithetical to any kind of theism or deism. It's in the damned definition. God = omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. Fuck. Side: God is all powerful
Yes he can but he can find the power to lift which is what makes him al powerful :P Yes but that is avoiding the other side- Can he make a rock that he cannot lift? What you are identifying doesn't count as a rock he cannot life if he ends up lifting it. Side: God is all powerful
God is powerfull...will you tell me that we are created by evolution? But how could the first alive thing appear? God is a miracle, you will tell me that miracles do not exist? you just don't believe in them, so you don't believe in God's power, but if only you look around..everything surrounding us is a miracle, even your typing with your handsa right now is a miracle!! Side: God is all powerful
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Well, that's a hard one to answer. Lets assume God exists. I wouldn't say he is, given the sheer amount of turmoil going on in the world today. A real all powerful being, ( who9 created us) would not stand back and watch us destroy our selves because of our beliefs. A real all powerful being ( lets guess with a fully capable brain ) would not create something so perfect as life, only to watch it slowly diminish... And on that note, would create death. No he can't be all powerful, because only a maniac would stand back and watch his son being killed in one of the most painful ways. I don't want any Bible quotes in reply. Side: God is not all powerful
Yep, it's a very old paradox. One could argue on the other side that an all powerful being would naturally have the ability to create something more powerful, but so long as that being did not, they would remain all powerful. Depends on the definition of all powerful though. If all powerful is infinitely powerful than the paradox, or any of the dozens like it, disprove the existence of an all powerful being. If all powerful only encompasses existence than that which has not been created does not disqualify this being from holding this title. I'm not on this side due to the paradox. I'm on this side because the idea of an intelligent all powerful being having always existed is a far more complex, impossible to prove and unlikely answer than the comparatively simple and mathematically demonstrable theory of the Big Bang. Side: God is not all powerful
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No, that paradox alone shows it is not possible for a being to be omnipotent. And for all you theists going "yeah but God is outside the universe!", so what? If he was omnipotent he could manifest himself in physical form withing the universe, in which case, could he create a rock so big he can't lift it. And for all you theists that go "oh, that's just word games!" then fine, I'll find another set of arbitrary syllables and phonemes that mean the exact same thing. Saying it's just word games is not a valid get out clause. And God can't be omnipotent and omniscient at the same time, because, as this poem shows: Can omniscient God Who knows the future, Find the omnipotence To change his mind? Side: God is not all powerful
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The paradox is scientifically flawed. It''s essentially asking what happens when an immovable object meets an unstoppable force. I assume you can see the scientific flaw in this, given that E=MC^2. As for omniscience and omnipotence, there is also no paradox. Because God also possesses the quality of aseity, which makes him unchanging. Therefore, he can't change his mind, but he is still omnipotent, as it would be a logical impossibility for him to change his mind. Side: God is all powerful
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It's not asking that, but anyway, that paradox shows it is impossible to have an unstoppable force and an immovable object, as the other shows it is impossible to be omnipotent. If he can't change his mind, he isn't omnipotent. I don't know why you insist on these overly simplistic definitions for your god, it sounds like a 5 year old inventing a superhero. "He's all powerful! And he knows everything!" If there is a god, or gods, they would be limited in power. If a being was omniscient, surely that would be the most boring existence imaginable. You wouldn't have a motivation to do anything, because there is no kind of gratification you could get. You would already know everything. Why would an omniscient being bother to make a universe? A perfect being would have no desires. Side: God is not all powerful
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"Can omniscient God, who Knows the future, find The omnipotence to Change His future mind?" what a great verse from Karen Owens. I do not believe theists can use both omniscient & omnipotence without using the Bible. Without the Bible, they would not have any explanation for the existence of their god. Side: God is not all powerful
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I studied religion and Philosophy of religion for a cople years and i think it was Darwin that said ' if god is all powrefull then he must not be all seeing/knowing. else he would see the suffering in the world and stop it, ..and if god is all seeing/knowing then he must not be all powerfull.... and if god is all powerfull and seeing, then he is not a very good god'... maybe hes just a scientist with a chemistry set and we are his experiment...a beautiful bittersweet tragic experiment! Considering god apparently made us in his likeness that seems more realistic doesn’t it? Either that or he just got bored with his creation and wondered off to make something else.! lol ...Now i dont have a problem with this!.. i have a problem with the way people glorify god. get a grip! theres no such thing as perfection and the sooner u realise that the better. for example my own father (i know hes only human) but he himself would admit isnt a very good father but i still love him. i havent heard from him in years but i still know he exists. he gave life to me and thats enough for me! ..i think the best lesson he taught me is that lifes not fair and when life gives u lemons u make lemonade, and when u fall down, u pick urself right back up! im a stronger person for that. i love my life. Life is like a precious gift and its up to u what u do with yours but dont blame 'god' for the reason things arent perfect. also its a valid point that if there was no bad/evil we would not know right from wrong. just the way we wouldnt apreciate the light if we didnt know the darkness 1st! The balance of good and evil lies within us. Now im not a religious person but i am very spiritual, and i do believe life is just an experience to be learned from and grow from. I wish people would just stop searching for answers to questions they will never know. U will be a much happier person trust me! :) Side: God is not all powerful
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With the tools we have now, we can't have sensable contacts with what is and what is not in other 'dimensions'. I'm not saying we never will, because once people thought we would never fly, but look at us now right? But things like time travel and crazy shit like that, I don't believe it is ever gonna be real, and that goes for answers and evidence of what is after death too. But who knows right? Side: God is not all powerful
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