CreateDebate


Debate Info

3
7
yes no
Debate Score:10
Arguments:11
Total Votes:10
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 yes (3)
 
 no (5)

Debate Creator

AmritaKJ(96) pic



Reservation in education and jobs

Many countries follow the system of allocating a certain amount of seats in education institutions and government services for minor communities/classes. This is done for various reasons and intentions. Do you think this idea, whose ultimate aim is uplifment of society and result equal grow prospects in all stratas of society is beneficial or harmful? 

yes

Side Score: 3
VS.

no

Side Score: 7
No arguments found. Add one!
1 point

Your question implies that minorities may not have an equal chance.

In general equal opportunity is desirable to a society only if it does not diminish the opportunity for one in order to provide it to another.

Yes it is beneficial, and yes it is harmful in specific instances.

Beneficial:A minority may be given an opportunity otherwise unavailable to them.

Harmful: In the same case a better qualified individual may be excluded from opportunity.

Side: no
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

Beneficial:A minority may be given an opportunity otherwise unavailable to them.

Harmful: In the same case a better qualified individual may be excluded from opportunity.

Not so clear. If government bodies allocate additional funds for those places then a more qualified candidate is not missing out. In reality though of course it is impossible to know if the government would have allocated the same funding if they weren't considering the minorities.

I got into university in Spain due to a law that states that for each course they have to allocate 3% to over 25s (also 1% to over 40s, 1% for sports people and 3% for disabled candidates). I achieved a grade of 5.5 / 10 in a much easier test than those that entered through the normal exam. The grade for that exam was 12.5/14 this year. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. I feel ashamed I think... but I am glad the opportunity existed.

Side: yes
daver(1771) Clarified
1 point

Not so clear.

Yeah I was talking bout the case in which the number of opportunities is limited. I am happy to hear of your success. Do not feel guilt for acting on an opportunity, this is exactly how we all should progress. The guys making the rules are at fault if the rules discriminate.

Side: yes
1 point

Education and jobs would be accessible if underlying issues of access were actually addressed, especially poverty and inadequate health systems and other support infrastructure.

Side: no
daver(1771) Clarified
1 point

Yeah but........

Are the reservation systems beneficial or harmful with regard to their intent?

Side: yes
Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

I think that at worst (allocating a limited number of openings to a specific demographic) they are harmful, and at best (funding additional openings for a specific demographic) they are a non-solution addressing symptoms of the real problems.

Side: yes
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

Education and jobs would be accessible if underlying issues of access were actually addressed, especially poverty and inadequate health systems and other support infrastructure.

I don't understand how failing "war on poverty programs" and free healthcare (which existed before Obamacare) could create accessibility to education and jobs. In fact both have existed for decades in this country without the effect you predict. Please explain in more detail.

Side: yes
Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

You misunderstand my point. I was not necessarily advocating universal healthcare or past anti-poverty programs. My argument was that many demographic variables considered for reservation programs (e.g. race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.) are actually just correlates or secondary variables affecting issues of access, and that the primary causal factor affecting access is financial security and stability. I think race especially tends to be a confounded variable in the United States, since racial minorities tend to constitute a disproportionate percentage of lower-income and impoverished households (for far reaching and well documented historic reasons). A financially insecure individual will always face access issues, but the same cannot always be said for someone who is a racial minority (or female, or gay, etc.).

Consequentially, I view reservation programs to be a misdirected allocation of resources and energy. I consider the primary causal variable in access to be financial security. The United States has a rapidly growing income disparity gap, unreasonably high levels of poverty, excessive rates of unemployment and underemployment, and embarrassing rates of homelessness. Whatever you personally think the solution to these problems is, that is the best allocation of resources... not a reservation program.

Regarding what is the actual solution to the financial issues in this nation, I do not think that pointing to past failures of poorly implemented anti-poverty and healthcare programs is an adequate basis to dismiss that approach altogether. Laissez faire programs have also been problematic. What we do know is that other countries have successfully implemented pro-active socio-economic programs, and that success indicates that our issue may be one primarily of implementation. I think that one of the considerable drawbacks of our political system is that we are a two-party system, which polarizes our policy in an ineffectual manner and prevents successful policy implementation. Each party has its asserted approach, and neither is entirely correct; to make things worse whenever one manages to pass something it rarely stays in power long enough to ensure successful implementation. The concern is too often more about discrediting the legitimacy of the other party instead of actually effecting positive change.

^ And that is a more complete exposition on my original statement. I have more, if you like; but let us see where this takes us first.

Side: no