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Debate Score:46
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Should people be allowed to carry weapons on a College campus?

Yes

Side Score: 23
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No

Side Score: 23
6 points

Well, speaking as a college shooting survivor, I think I have no more credibility on this issue than any of you (however, some of you may disagree with that idea, so I'll post my response anyway).

The right to defend ourselves is one of our most essential. For those of us who are American, this is epitomized by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, which states: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". This alone should settle the legal aspects to the discussion: public institutions (including public schools/colleges), due to being supported by taxpayer dollars (without being given the choice to back out), must follow the rules of the country. Being that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, government policy cannot disallow guns in any public institutions (including colleges). Hope I've cleared that up for you.

Now, on to the reasons people should be allowed to carry weapons on a private college campus. This is where my experience as a college shooting survivor kicks in. I was in the Atrium when Kimveer Gil burst through the front doors of Dawson College in Montreal, Canada and opened fire. It was an intense atmosphere, let me tell you. People were scared, you couldn't go a second without hearing students screaming and crying. As I ran toward the back corridors of the room, there was one thought running through my head: "Why couldn't I have had a gun on me?"

That sick fuck Kimveer Gil injured 19 people that day, killing one, Anastasia D'Sousa. I had the pleasure of knowing Anastasia. She was a sweet girl, always happy, always glad to see you, even if you were having a bad day. And I can say with utmost confidence that if students were allowed to carry weapons on them in Dawson College on that day, she would not have died. If only I had brought a gun to school on that day, I, or any other student, could have prevented that tragedy from occurring as soon as it started.

People don't shoot people when they're surrounded by people with guns, because as soon as they draw their weapon, they will be vastly outnumbered by people with an equal ability to kill as them. By the logic most opponents of my view seem to follow, gun shows would be killing sprees. But they aren't. Why? Because everybody has a gun.

College campuses should not be treated any differently than any other property: guns should absolutely be allowed. If they were, students would not be sitting ducks for deranged killers, but would be citizens fully capable of making sure school shootings become a thing of the past.

Side: Yes
alyssajayne(1) Disputed
1 point

If Americans didn't have the right to bear arms, your college never would have been attacked by a shooter in the first place... think about that before encouraging every other person there to go buy a gun.

Side: No
1 point
If people are trained in weapon usage and have permits, then there's no good reason they shouldn't be allowed. If students or teachers had guns in the Virginia Tech shooting, they might have been able to stop the shooter before he killed others. The "gun free" zones don't stop the people that are determined to kill, and not allowing others to have guns means they are unable to defend themselves when such a thing happens.
Side: Yes
blammo(186) Disputed
1 point
So are you suggesting everyone should just be walking around with guns? I have no problem with having guns in their private homes or at shooting ranges (which would include transportation in your car...but nobody needs to be carring around guns in public anywhere....sorry, i don't trust the masses to be walking around with guns! If you wanna protect yourself...carry mace! It cripples people without KILLING them!
Side: No
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
1 point
Mace: average range 8-10 ft
Pistol: average range upwards of anywhere between 1000 yd and 2500 yd
What more do I have to say? Mace is not an effective counter to a gun. The fourth amendment guarantees that all American citizens have a right to bear arms. Now I don't think that any idiot should be allowed to carry around a concealed weapon, but I do think that a properly licensed and registered gun owner should be allowed to carry his/her gun wherever they please and as the courts have apparently ruled, people under the age of 18 don't have rights (evidently) and therefore we have no worries of a high schooler exercising this same right.
Supporting Evidence: Pepper Spray / Mace (www.velocitydirect.com)
Side: No
jake2134(2) Disputed
1 point

no your wrong people should have the same right as crimanes do to protect there self at all mean nesacery

Side: yes
1 point

i am now writing a persasive text on this same argument and i can tell you why not! seriously it is there own protection! and locker searches and personal searches shouldnt be allowed i love my locker and forever will no teacher ever see inside my locker or search my locker it is my locker this yr! gun knifes and weapons are only dangerous if students use them in a bad way! and if i as a student had a locker or personal search done i will be arguing about the teacher having one done! THANKS 4 UR COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING ME!

Side: yes
1 point

If people can have weapons anywhere else, why not college campuses. There is this thing called the Right to Bear Arms. Besides, weapons don't kill people; people kill people (sometimes with weapons).

Side: yes
1 point

yes it should be beacuse i have a friend who is a fag and is sitting next to me and if i had a gun he would be fucked

Side: yes
1 point

yes becuse every one should be able to protect there selfs

Side: yes
0 points

Right to bear arms!

Next!

Side: Yes
3 points

Both my parents are college professors (quite likely the most hated people on campus), and neither of them have a gun at home, much less at school. I feel that students should always feel safe in a school setting. Allowing guns can and will lead to more school shootings, and a more paranoid student mindset.

If guns are banned, those carrying weapons will be more easily sorted out, and colleges will function more safely and efficiently

Side: No
Republican2(349) Disputed
1 point

Allowing guns can and will lead to more school shootings, and a more paranoid student mindset.

You seem to think that the presence of guns alone will cause deaths/shootings. A gun is only a tool. A dangerous tool for certain, but it's ability to cause harm rests entirely on it's user. If the user is a moral, sane, and law abiding citizen, it will not result in random violence, and in fact, it would make campuses safer because they would be able to defend themselves and others against an attacker. However, if the user is a homicidal maniac, it will not mater in the slightest whether or not guns are allowed on campus because they will bring them anyway, and they will do so in an environment devoid of anyone equipped to defend the victims from the attack.

Side: yes
2 points

Sure, lets have everyone get handguns and have them on campus. That way, when you get drunk and get into a disagreement, you can end it a lot faster. Seriously though, I'm pretty sure most campuses have something called campus police.

Side: No
Republican2(349) Disputed
1 point

Sure, lets have everyone get handguns and have them on campus. That way, when you get drunk and get into a disagreement, you can end it a lot faster.

There are a lot of people who have guns, and there are extremely few who ever shoot people when they get into a drunken disagreement.

Seriously though, I'm pretty sure most campuses have something called campus police.

If someone comes into a classroom and starts shooting people, campus police will be practically useless. In fact, they would be useless in every instance where they were not already at the scene of the incident. In this situation speed counts. An armed student or faculty member would be able to kill the shooter very quickly before they could cause widespread damage. Also, if a potential shooter knew most people were armed, and that they would only get one or two shots off before they were killed, it may deter them from attacking in the first place.

Side: yes
2 points

College campuses are home to many students and the students on those campuses host numerous amounts of parties weekly, even daily in some cases. Does it make even an ounce of sense to mix guns and alcohol? Simple arguments that would ordinarily be duked out with fists, which is bad enough, or some unkind words, would turn into shoot outs resulting in many lost from stray bullets, ricochets, and the student targeted by the antagonist. In order to prevent school shootings the proposition proposes to you that we invite more guns onto campus. This is quite illogical and and formed with ill-judgment. If there were an instance involving a shooting and students were able to carry concealed weapons, in the act of using them for self defense, more would be lost than saved by the additional weaponry in the room. If you mix a deranged shooter with a gun, and fearful students (who might I add, are most likely not thinking straight and are overcome by fear) the results would be disastrous. The gunman, would be shooting into a crowd with lost direction and upon first instinct the students would act and shoot in the direction of the shots being fired, this would result in even more students killed. The victims were not intending to harm their peers, however they fired directly into the same crowd, attempting to save their friends, but instead killing them.

Side: No
1 point
Of course not. Young people are full of raging hormones and are more liable to use weapons if they're made available. Additionally, pistols are specifically designed to maim and kill humans - how is this potential conducive to learning about the things that propel us morally and technologically forward?
Side: No
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
1 point
Shouldn't that be a reason for teachers and responsible, licensed students to be allowed to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms? A person who intends to attack others at school will find a way to smuggle a weapon onto a campus. Except in a few cases it really isn't that hard. Guns don't kill people, people kill people and if someone is planning on killing me, I'd sure like to be able to defend myself.
Side: Yes
Paul-ish(77) Disputed
1 point

And the angriest most raging teens are going to be the ones who are most likely to not pay any heed to the "Gun Free Zone" signs posted. To disallow guns only gives guns to the crazies and disarms the rational people. That doesn't make me feel safe.

Side: Yes
1 point

We do have an amendment that states we all have the right to bear arms but there is a limit. If you start permitting guns on college campus' then you are opening a new can of worms. We are now playing into the fact that if you get into an argument it is OK to pull a gun on someone. We need to get back to the good old days when it was a fist that was used to end an argument. We preach every day that TV, movies, video games all are too violent and are making our society more violent so the problem is solved by allowing guns on campus? We need to stop making rules and changes to "KEEP" up with the times. We need to stick to our guns, no pun intended and stop making it easier for people to be violent and kill.

As far as a gun being a weapon to defend yourself how many people were lucky enough to come out alive when they were held hostage or a gunman came in and started spraying bullets who had a gun? I don't believe too many since they usually never have a chance to use it. So as far as I can see the weapons on campus is really not that smart.

Side: No
1 point

I am Against Having the Right To Bear Arms in Schools

Ok, the first thing we all need to think about is the facts. Guns are dangerous and are

made to kill. So, if you have one person walking down a hallway in your school with a gun,

waiting to figure out where he or she will strike first, what would you rather have available?

Nothing, or a weapon?

This I believe is something that is such a good topic for discussion. Only thing is, its

not getting people to look outside the box. What people are thinking about is one of two things.

No body has the right to carry a gun in school or everyone has the right. No one will be able to

kill someone that comes in killing, or if someone were to come into a school with killing

intentions, everyone would be able to take them down and that’s supposed to be the good thing,

or better way to go?

Ok, now some simple stats. A gun in the home is 2.7 times more likely to kill a family

member than an intruder. More guns usually means more victims. The International Crime

Victim Survey concluded that there is a link between gun ownership and an increase in both

homicide and suicide. Epidemiologists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine

found that, on average, guns don’t protect those who have them from being shot. The study

estimated that people with a gun on them were 4.5 times more likely to be shot than those that do

not have a gun. Interesting don’t you think? That means ladies and gentleman, that if you have

a right for everyone to have a gun at school than you will have more shootings. Point blank!

Do you really think that if someone at school gets in a fight, (and this can be very closely

related, if you may, to a fight in a bar) that they won’t use whatever they have on them to defend

themselves? Answer that, then answer this. When you think of a brawl at school, what comes to

mind? Fist fighting? Now give those angry people guns. You get where I’m going with this?

Every fight in this country, from schools to bars and anywhere else in the world would not be

Settled with the, “fists of furry” any longer. Why would you if you have something on you that

Could do more damage anyways? Make it quick and then never have to deal with that person

Ever again. Very simple truths when you really think deep down and hard about it.

Yes, you could save someone’s life along with maybe a few others if someone were to

come into your school shooting at everyone, but, what do you think would happen if everyone,

All at once, started shooting their guns? From different angles at that. A lot more people would

Be getting hurt in the long run!

I have a 270 riffle and love guns and the power they possess. I respect a guns capability

to do more than any fist ever could, and that’s just one more to add to my many reasons on why

I’m against having guns on campus.

Side: yes

I 2nd Loudacris.

Side: No
1 point

no they shouldn't because i thought about what i said and don't want to go to jail.

Side: No

I think it is a bad idea. A disturbed college student could do a massacre on campus.

Side: No
0 points
Depends, are you mentally ill or otherwise unstable? Is the college in a Brazilian favela? Is is the Naval Academy?
Side: No