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Go watch the documentary called "The house I live in" It shows you how America makes billions off having people in prison and is the reason you get locked up petty for crimes (bag of Weed 2 years lol) here in the states.
Prison should only be for acts against humanity, murder, rape ect, all else should be fines community service ect, then if they fail to do such then we can put them in jail not prison as that place should be reserved for violent offenders.
Just a quick question, do you have different levels of Prison in the states or does everyone get banged up together Thieves and people arrested for Possesion with murderers and Paedophiles. The reason I ask is in the UK we have different types of Prison for different offences and it is rare for someone who is put inside for burglary, Possesion or Fraud to be in the same place as a Murderer but a lot of the responses to this from Americans makes it sound like all your prisoners are mixed together in the same place.
I think out prision are seperated only by gender. i have heard of some prisons for white collar crimminals, but generally they send everyone to the same place.
Here in the state at least in PA where I live we have murders, rapist with fraud and petty drug charges in the same prison, only money will buy you a country club prison and those places are mostly for politicians, movies stars ect, our system is soooooooo fucked up it's not even funny, we here in America have more people in prison then any other nation combined, that should shed some lite on our prison corporation, it's a big business like any other here in America.
I have had many friends that spent time in prison for 2+ years for nothing more then a few dime bags of weed because they where black or Hispanic, I also had a few of my white friends get busted for pounds of weed and coke and got nothing more then 2-5 years probation, yes our system is racist and flawed
I think we are wasting a lot of money by imprisoning many non-violant offenders. The tricky part is deciding what we should do instead. House arrests maybe, paroles possibly. Be cheaper than giving them free room and board.
If the offender is nonviolent or has a nice attitude, why would you need to imprison him in the first place, putting him into an environment full of violent crazies, making his behaviour even worse? I agree that murderers, gangsters, serial killers and rapists deserve to be in prison, but such things like white-collar crimes only need fines (or a house arrest) for sufficient discipline (maybe except when said white collar crimes cause large-scale financial disasters).
It it a terrible idea to put non-violent offenders in the same building as violent offenders. while there are pretty bad crimes such as fraud, hacking bank accounts, impersonation, etc, they were and are not violent. if the person shows signs of being able to be rehabilitated you put him in a rehabilitation institution, until the institution believes that with very good reason that they are rehabilitated. however on some non violent criminals you might want to put them in a rehabilitation prison. completely separate from all those violent idiots.
No, but I do think that it may be a good idea to specialize prisons for certain crimes. Yes obviously a person did something pretty terrible if they are in prison, but they shouldn't all be grouped together if they haven't done the same degree of a crime.
Prison is also for the blasphemers, the public urinators, the alleged masturbators and those who so poor that they can't afford to go anywhere else. Prison is the minimum standard for living given to all who we can't understand. Making access harder isn't doing any good!
Lol best reply all week : ) and so true.. I always wondered how in the fuck someone could be pro life then be pro death penalty, but then again look who we are talking about nothing ever makes sense with them lol
How is that hypocritical? I advocate the preservation of life and of justice, not the destruction of it and the acts of immorality. The government has the role of protecting the people and if a person commits a crime then they should pay for it. The people who act justly should not be burdened by those who wish to part with justice. Therefore, the killing of a criminal is justice.
Killing an innocent child who has done no wrong is not injustice but feticide.
And that is the difference between the two: I advocate justice, while those who advocate pro-choice advocate injustice at the peek.
Preservation of life includes justice; for if justice was no factor then life would not be preserved. When criminals are punished they are not committing crimes and they help portray an image of how punishment is served. Therefore, punishment by means of killing a criminal is a means to the preservation of life.
How so? If someone assaults someone, then they should be punished. That punishment should be equal to or more severe than that of the actual crime or they will never learn their lesson.
"They" was intended to be "people who assault people" as in people who have the personality to do something such as assault. Bad communication, sorry! haha
So you think someone who commits assault should be executed, I know someone who was bullied all the time one day she was pushed too far and assaulted one of the people who bullied her, she is now in prison when she gets out she wont be a threat to the community and before this incident was a good citizen just had a couple of drinks after a hard day and got pushed too far by someone who had been verbally abusing her but you advocate execution for her and call that justice.
You need to take a long hard look at yourself your morals are screwed up, your a hypocrite and less pro life than people who are pro choice.
They both have been punished she's in prison he's got a reminder every time he looks in the mirror not to hassle people but according to your earlier post you think she should have been executed for being violent.
What about it? She acted out of line. If she had killed that man who was verbally abusing her do you think that she would have been innocent? By no means because she has still committed a crime; and crimes are deserving of punishment.
You are now saying repaying evil with evil is wrong but that is exactly what execution is, your killing someone as punishment for killing someone else.
How is that evil? That is justice! That person has chosen to not abide by the laws of the land by deciding to kill another person. He deserves punishment and punishment can either fall into three categories:
1) Less punishment than what the crime entailed, which is useless because it is more beneficial to violate the law than to abide by it in this system.
2) Equivalent punishment, which is useless also because there will be an equivalent pay off. This gives rise to people being able to do whatever they want, since in the end everything will equalize.
3) More punishment, therefore, is the only acceptable method for governmental punishment; for people will be at a net loss and will truly regret the very thing that they did.
That's rubbish if you execute someone they are'nt in a position to regret anything their dead!! Take away their freedom and they'll regret what they did and killing is killing just because one is state sanctioned does'nt make people any less dead and it amazes me that someone who says they are pro life is happy to put to death people who are guilty of assault and does'nt see the hypocrisy in their words.
No, as I said to ...(I can't remember who), justice can only be taken into the hands of the government. Do not take from what I say the meanings I do not portray.
The person who commits it will be regretful of their actions while the are being killed. And also, "they," as in the people who are violent, will be fearful of their own actions. Thy will shy from injustice.
I love justice and I love life. However, life can only thrive if justice is first. If justice were last, there would be no justice to serve. Therefore, one must be a good and virtuous man to preserve life.
Revenge does not coincide with the government. It coincides with personal issues. This is a governmental issue, and the government has been given the right to punish people. By your definition for revenge, no punishment would be acceptable at any level.
Punishment should fit the crime; punishment should be proportional to the crime involved. A murderer loses precisely the right of which he has deprived another human being: the right to have one's life preserved from the violence of another person. The murderer therefore deserves to be killed in return.
Trust me I see you point of view emotionally but logically I disagree, we have to be better then that if not we become what we hate, I think a murder should be locked up for life in solitary confinement, to me that is worse then death and still spares us our humanity.
I used to be for life sentence, but it only sends the wrong signals that murder is tolerated. Life in prison is not worse than death. Taking someone's life is pretty dramatic. We are not becoming of what we hate, we are telling other humans, respect life or die.
I spent time in prison when I was younger for being a dumb ass thinking I was cool and let me tell ya, it's hell, thank goodness it was only for a short time, people spending life I personally couldnt do it, I would rather die, not saying everyone feels like me but from my personal experience to me a Life sentence is worst then death, let me tell ya all it took was for me to spend a short time in prison for me to change my life, you can say I was rehabilitated with fear lol
Despite your experience in prison and how you percieve a hard life would be for a life sentence, it still doesn't compare to the prospect of death, it is the one thing that humans fear the most, this is why religion was created, too help calm the anxiety, so I guarantee those who are on death row or life sentence would much rather live than die, so the only way to deter murder is with death, this is only justification for aggression in a libertarian society.
Yes, but you should take into account that there are things worse than death. The murderer doesn't take away the victims humanity, whereas the rapist or the masturbater places his victim bellow the animal. They should be punished with death as well, because it is more humane than being punished with rape. The death penalty serves as a maximum.
I read you're an anarchist capitalist. Why are you making objective ought claims on justice?
btw I can't wait until your philosophy is implemented in of those third world countries. One country off the threat list at least.
How does the masturbator place his victim below the Animal. Death penalty for masturbaters is overdoing it and a total waste of resources (what are you gonna do, arrest every teenager with an Internet access?) This coming from a person who agrees that rape is the fate worse than death and should be meted out with the death penalty.
