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 This experiment.... will disturb you. (27)

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This experiment.... will disturb you.

What makes ordinary people commit acts of violence?

This is one of the most controversial experiments ever created.

The results are quite disturbing.

Please watch both parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhTo3QmB_Yw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHeON3AsY0

 

I'm a bit scared to be honest.

This just shows that we are never too far from another Holocaust.

How can it be THAT easy?!! Are we really THAT gullible?!!!!!

 

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3 points

This experiment (the Milgram Experiment) was originally set up to show that those involved in Nazi attrocities were somehow different to Americans, and that Americans would never follow orders in the same was that Nazis claimed they had. As you can see, the experiment actually showed overwhelmingly that people of all walks of life will follow orders.

In the original experiment, 65% of those tested reached the maximum voltage of 450 volts.

Milgram had two theories which explained why people were so willing to follow orders. The first was called the theory of conformism, which states that those who don't feel as if they have the expertise to make a decision in a crisis will often leave it up to the group (the majority) or the authoritical hierarchy to come up with the decision. In this case, The authority in charge was the experimentor, urging the person to continue. The second is called the agentic state theory, wherein, as quoted by Milgram, "the essence of obedience consists in the fact that a person comes to view himself as the instrument for carrying out another person's wishes, and he therefore no longer sees himself as responsible for his actions. Once this critical shift of viewpoint has occurred in the person, all of the essential features of obedience follow."

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Side: Milgram Experiment

What I don't understand is why no one said, "Why don't you throw the switch? What's there from preventing you? What are you doing that is so important you need me to throw the switch for you?"

Side: Milgram Experiment
2 points

That is messed up, that is really scary to think that just because someone was telling them to 9 out of 12 people would murder someone for ' science '.

Side: Milgram Experiment

When you consider the large number of individuals on the planet, it is easy to see that there are enough gullible people out there to carry out these horendous acts. That's why we need to get rid of them. I hope that when the time comes you are able to carry out the following missions:

Save Earth from Ludicrous Fools (SELF).

Save the Planet from the Legions of Losers (SPELL).

Save Earth from Truly Unintelligent People (SETUP).

Now go out there and do the right thing ;)

Side: Milgram Experiment
xaeon(1093) Disputed
4 points

It's nothing to do with stupidity. It's simply human psychology. The majority of people, intelligent and less so, will follow the orders given. The Milgram Experiment found that this was due to theory of conformism and agentic state theory. Essentially, people will leave it up to others in a position of authority or the decision of a group as a whole to make decisions, and will also be able to detract themselves from the current situation and feel as if they are simply instruments of the person in authority in not actually choosing to perform the acts.

Side: Milgram Experiment
1 point

Did you hear the results of the experiment?

9 out of 12 people went all the way to 450 volts!!!

9 out of 12 fried up a complete stranger....

Just 3 people had the mind to think what they were doing.

And non of these people are religious foundamentalists.

All it took was an idea....

Side: Milgram Experiment
1 point

That is scary.

Out of the 9 that went through with the "experiment," you can even see that a few of them had nice and lovable personalities. They weren't bad people, so to speak, but it does show how easily they one can make such horrible decisions under pressure. It just took them one newly introduced thought to make them continue on with this experiment--can you imagine what a person could do with thousands and thousands of thoughts being stored in their mind, and maybe even with their religion "at stake."

Side: Scares the hell out of me
1 point

First and foremost, were those faces the hand lady was making really necessary? Or had she had a stroke or something?

It's nice to know at least some people had the character to say no to the experiment after a certain point.

I would say though that there are a couple differences in the comparison between this and nazi deathcamps.

1. there was no doctor or scientist telling them that no permanent damage was being done,

2. there was a sense of self-preservation, as the penalty for not following an order in war time was often death.

But I think this could be compared very accurately to waterboarding,

as the U.S. doesn't (at least not that we know of, who really knows that this point) execute soldiers for not torturing when told to, and there was a doctor present (according to the newest talking points at least, a trained medical personell) telling them there would be "no permanent damage."

So it seems like almost the exact same thing, right down to using the physical pain for information (which according to every study and the experts simply does not work.)

I don't know though. I don't feel that a person's lack of character, or intelligence, or the fact that most people will defer to the authority of another, excuses them. I feel they are still nearly as guilty as the ones making the rules.

Side: Milgram Experiment
1 point

Actually, if you pay close attention to what the doctor is saying, at no point does he say "he is fine don't worry". All he is telling them is "please continue with the experiment", "please carry on" and "it is essential that you continue". So it's very clear that the man may not be OK but that doesn't matter cause the experiment must go on.

Regardless of what the doctor says however, they can hear the man himself demanding the experiment to stop, yet they don't... and that makes it so so [email protected] up...

Also, not all Nazis were threatened with death to follow orders. In the early days most of them believed in the cause...

Side: Milgram Experiment
1 point

Well it depends on the cause. For a scientific experiment it would not be worth it to cause pain on somebody. But if it was to protect people from terrorists it would be worth it.

I think the underlying message here, is that war and authority is bad. When that is not always true.

I would have refused to continued the experiment, because well, it's just an experiment.

Side: depends on the cause
1 point

Is there a legitimate cause that would make you or anyone offer up a lethal dose of electricity to another human being? Adolph Hitler may have believed the same thing! That Jews as well as others were inflicting damage to the mother country and therefore had to be rid of these "types" of people.

It was an experiment, yes, but did you not notice the overwhelming amount of people who said yes to even an experiment backed by professors and others in lab coats? The underlying message was not that war and authority are bad! The underlying message is that even under mediated circumstances people can, under the 'force' of suggestion go on and destroy a life in 8 or 9 out of 12 cases where little pressure prevailed.

Side: Scares the hell out of me
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

Are you suggesting that terrorists are as Innocent as the Jews in WWII?

If not then I think you might have misunderstood me.

Side: depends on the cause
1 point

Humanity is capable of both good and evil; all it takes is one person, one cruel, neglectful, or otherwise "bad" ringleader to force a group into compliance. Everyone wants to be a part of the herd, and that's not going away. We need to make sure that those in power aren't going to condone terrible acts, and that those who are cruel are quickly removed from power.

Side: Shows human nature