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Chicken Egg
Debate Score:68
Arguments:43
Total Votes:77
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Which Came First; Chicken or Egg?

I know this one is going to get some activity!

Chicken

Side Score: 25
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Egg

Side Score: 43

Problem:The solution to the age-old question, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" depends on whether you are a creationist or an evolutionist. The answer, however, is still the same if you assume that the egg in question is a chicken egg. "The chicken came first." If the egg in question is NOT a chicken egg, then the egg came first because there were dinosaur eggs before there were chickens.

The crux of the problem hinges on the definition of a chicken egg. Is a chicken egg an egg that comes from a chicken or an egg that contains a chicken? Many people think of a chicken egg as a chicken eggshell that contains a chicken fetus. In other words, the chicken and the egg problem exist because people typically think of a chicken egg as a single entity (chicken eggshell and chicken fetus together). I will attempt to show that this configuration (chicken eggshell and chicken fetus together) is not necessary in order to create a chicken and that an egg should thus be classified by the species that laid it rather than by what species it contains.

I think that it is safe to say that the chicken fetus is the most obvious part of a chicken egg. The eggshell, however, is trickier because if the eggshell contains any genetic material, then one could argue that the eggshell is part of the fetus and thus the chicken egg could be classified as a single entity. Since the eggshell is made of calcium, we can safely say that the chicken egg consists of two distinct parts (the chicken eggshell and chicken fetus).

A problem still exists, however. Who generates the eggshell? If the fetus generates the eggshell then one could argue that the eggshell is part of the fetus and thus a fertilized chicken egg could be classified as a single entity. But there exists unfertilized eggs. This means that a fetus is not necessary in order to generate the eggshell. Maybe all that is necessary to generate the eggshell is the unfertilized genetic material provided by the hen. Since the complexity of generating an eggshell is beyond the capability of unfertilized genetic material, and since the unfertilized genetic material belongs to (and is generated by) the hen, it is safe to say that the hen generates the eggshell.

This reduces the eggshell to the status of a container. If the eggshell is nothing more than a container, then almost any container with egg like properties should be sufficient to incubate a chicken fetus. If an eggshell/container is capable of carrying almost any fetus of a different species to term, then we cannot classify the eggshell/container by its content. Rather, we should classify the eggshell/container by the species that created the eggshell/container. For example, if scientists were successful in hatching a chicken from a plastic container, would you then call the plastic container and the chicken fetus (together) a chicken egg? Or would you say that the plastic container held a chicken fetus? As another example, if scientists were able to extract the fertilized genetic material from a chicken egg and insert it into a duck egg, would the duck egg be reclassified as a chicken egg? Or would you maintain the "duck egg" classification and state that the duck egg in question contains a chicken fetus? My belief is that (in both examples) most people would choose the later (maintain the "plastic container/duck egg" classification and add the "chicken fetus" qualifier). In other words, an egg should be classified by the species that laid it rather than by what species it contains.

Once we agree on the definition of a chicken egg (an eggshell generated by a hen regardless of content), the solution is trivial.

Solution:

Creationist: God said, "Let there be a hen." Otherwise, who would sit on the egg? Alternatively, God could have said, "Let there be a rooster." and then decided that the rooster needed companionship and so He created the hen and they then begot the egg. NOTE: Since God is perfect, it is unlikely that he said, "Let there be a chicken egg. Oh, and I almost forgot, let there be a hen to sit on that chicken egg. Ooh, wait, and a rooster!"

Evolutionist: Some animal (not a chicken) laid an egg (not a chicken egg). The fetus inside the egg underwent some minor evolutionary change that resulted into a hen. This hen then laid the first chicken egg. Alternatively, the result was a rooster. The rooster then mated with some animal (not a chicken) that laid an egg (not a chicken egg, since the rooster's DNA could not have affected the egg). The result was (eventually) a hen who then laid the first chicken egg.

Chicken and the Egg, Alternate Solution

A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is leaning against the headboard smoking a cigarette with a satisfied smile on its face. The egg, looking a bit ticked off, grabs the sheet, rolls over and says ... Well, I guess we finally answered "THAT question!"

Side: Chicken

It's crazy how we can look at this from difference beliefs such as scientific to religion.. If we believe in god and he made all things then the chicken came first. Then there is evaluation, I myself side with god, because he made man, then he made women from the rib of Adam. They made children and so on. God created two of each animal and they produced off spring. Of coures this is my view and there are so many other takes on this subject all of with can have a logical reason behind it. But most of us have faith in one thing or another, wether it be a job offer, to relationships. We all have faith.. So chicken or the egg? This question has stumped so many people, but if no one is in the woods when a tree falls, does it make a sound?

Side: Chicken

I think the chicken came before the egg. I could be wrong. No one was there to see the first egg or that first chicken.

Side: Chicken

Someone had to lay he egg. .

Side: Chicken
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
2 points

But that "someone" did not have to be a chicken.

Side: Egg
Stickers(1037) Disputed
0 points

Whoever said that it had to be a chicken egg?

I can assure that non chicken eggs existed well before chickens. Besides, the first chicken egg ever laid was done so by an immediate ancestor that was quite similar to but just dissimilar enough to not fall into the "chicken" category.

Side: Egg
1 point

I dont agree with you. The egg had to be laid by someone.

Side: Chicken
3 points

Chickens are one of the closest relatives of the dinosaurs> chickens are descendants of dinosaurs> dinosaurs laid eggs. At the very least, the last species on the evolutionary timeline that lead to the chicken (what chickens evolved from) laid eggs, so the egg had to have come first, before the chicken ever even evolved into being. Right?

Let me know what you think.

Side: Egg
robag2000(65) Disputed
1 point

Chickens are close relatives of dinosaurs, just like you said. Chickens were probably made from a genetic mistake or over a long period of time and evolution.

Side: Chicken
0 points

Someone had to lay the egg. .

Side: Chicken
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

Yeah, the dinosaurs that were mentioned.

Side: Egg
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

Yes it was the dinosaur. He got you and that's why you're not replying to his point.

Side: Egg

The domestic chicken is a man-created species produced by domestication of a hybrid of the red and grey junglefowl.

As such, the egg came first, laid by a junglefowl hybrid, eventually shaped into the domestic chicken via selective breeding.

Side: Egg
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

But, was it a chicken egg that was laid by the junglefowl hybrid, or a junglefowl hybrid egg that had a chicken inside?

Side: Chicken
3 points

Both, of course!

Side: Egg
2 points

It's simple, the egg came first. For the sake of the argument, we are going to assume that evolution is correct (if we assumed creationism was correct; neither came first, god did). In order to find out which came first, one would need to identify which chicken was truly the FIRST chicken. Since evolution is an ongoing process, even chickens themselves have evolved over time. This means that the very first chicken egg (which would hatch into the very first chicken) would have had to come from an organism which was not yet defined as a chicken. Therefore, the egg came first because the organism which laid the very first chicken egg was not yet a chicken.

Side: Egg
2 points

It's simple, the egg came first. For the sake of the argument, we are going to assume that evolution is correct (if we assumed creationism was correct; neither came first, god did). In order to find out which came first, one would need to identify which chicken was truly the FIRST chicken. Since evolution is an ongoing process, even chickens themselves have evolved over time. This means that the very first chicken egg (which would hatch into the very first chicken) would have had to come from an organism which was not yet defined as a chicken. Therefore, the egg came first because the organism which laid the very first chicken egg was not yet a chicken.

Side: Egg
1 point

I've never found this a hard question at all. It is simple: Undeniably the egg because of evolution

Side: Egg

I thought this was settled. Eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch or dinner. The egg comes first.

Side: Egg