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Debate Score:31
Arguments:26
Total Votes:37
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Are there secular reasons to ban gay marriage?

Yes

Side Score: 19
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No

Side Score: 12
3 points

Yes the purpose of a marriage (as in the reason the institution was invented in the first place) is to bring together two suitable mates for the prepose of creating an offspring and binding them together into a single family unit in which to rase the offspring. Because two men or two women cannot breed with one another any such marriage between them would not fulfill its prepose and therefor it would be invalid.

Side: Yes
Atrag(5666) Disputed
3 points

Well clearly not everyone that gets married can / wants to have babies.

Traditionally in English law (and therefore in USA law too) marriage is merely a contract between too people that they will devote each themselves to each other for live and split the wealth of their respective estates. There is no reason why homosexual couples can't engage in the same contract.

Side: No
1 point

I agree with you. The only thing I am getting at is the fact that the initial purpose of marriage has been lead astray, which may not be a bad thing at all, and its purpose can now be used for other things that originally may have not been accounted for.

Side: Yes
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Well you just presented a secular reason for it. I presented a secular reason against it. The debate mentioned nothing of determining which side is correct the creator simply wanted to know if there where reasons to oppose it that weren't based in religion so I don't actually feel obligated to respond. But sense you ask. The reason is because first of all its a lot of noise about nothing it wont actually make any difference if it is allowed or not but if it is allowed it will make a lot of people unhappy and further alienate the religious portion of our population. So I feel the damage it would cause wouldn't be rectified by any benefits.

Side: Yes
sauh(1106) Disputed
1 point

No, the purpose of a marriage (as in the reason the (legal) institution was invented in the first place) is to allow the government to track and profit from two people promising to love and support each other forever (usually works out). A man and woman don't need an institution to raIse any offspring they have. They government should be more than happy to get more information on homosexuals coming and goings (no pun intended).

Side: No
1 point

He is saying that the initial point of marriage is to make offspring while having a bond with one who can produce that offspring and make a family unit. You are taking a present day government view. You arent taking his ancient view. You are missing his argument.

Side: Yes
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

I'm not talking in a legal sense I'm talking in a practical sense. Completely different argument.

Side: Yes
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

Marriage has started in stone age a kind of a deal. Woman gets protection durring pregnancy and food in exchange for exclusive rights to her womb.

Marriage has no same purpose any more. So why not change it again?

Side: No
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Marriage was and is an institution born out of the necessity to reproduce. Therefor if reproduction cannot occur the marriage is invalid simple as that. Besides I see no reason to change it its fine as it is unlike the economy which is what people should be focused on instead of pointless social issues.

Side: Yes
Emperor(1348) Disputed
-2 points
warrior(1854) Disputed
4 points

Bigot? Did I say I disliked homosexuals? No I just said they can't preform a marriage role which is true they can't. Now are you going to dispute me or simply call me names all day?

Side: Yes
1 point

It's icky. :)

In all seriousness, I couldn't care less who marries who and gay people are amazing.

Side: Yes

There are reasons I've heard, that I find stupid and disagree with greatly.

Side: Yes

LOL. :D

Side: Yes
shoutoutloud(4303) Clarified
1 point

What about my argument do you consider funny?

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Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, of course there are secular reasons to support both sides of the argument. However, I would like to take note of your use of the word 'ban.' The government's declaring what it will accept and recognize as a marriage is not a 'ban' on the marriages that it doesn't recognize or accept. There are no legal consequences (fines or jail time) for couples who 'marry' outside of what the government accepts. Are there?

Side: Yes

If the economy is not doing great, then the country could save money by cutting back on marriage benefits and one way to cut back on marriage benefits is to deny certain marriages. ;)

Side: Yes
1 point

No because then it wouldn't be secular it would be conservative.

Side: No
Atrag(5666) Clarified
2 points

Secular just means non-religious.

Side: Yes
Warjin(1577) Clarified
1 point

True but what reason would any so called secular have on banning gay marriage, if any secular person would even consider such a thing can they really call themselves secular?

Also the only people that seem to be against gay marriage at least the ones that I ever meet were religious people.

Side: Yes

I can't think of any secular reasons to ban Gay Marriage.

Side: No