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Could Christianity/Catholicism be reformed (again) to be much more tolerant?

Could it? And by reform, I mean go through a complete personality change to ensure that it becomes much more tolerant of things it previously wasn't of (like the LGBT community and Atheism to name some)

Yeah I guess

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Nah man, nah

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Of course. They are completely intolerant now. Any reform would make them more tolerant.

Side: Yeah I guess
MistVillage(61) Disputed
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The religion of Islam is far worst than Christianity. Everyone points their fingers at Christianity but we can't talk about Islam because that's "Islamaphobic." The Quaran has many hateful, violent and sexist verses in it. Not to mention many muslim countries like Saudi Arabia stone gays and throw them off buildings too just for being gay. Not to mention women aren't allowed to drive, vote, hold office, etc. If one religion is a problem and needs reformation it is Islam

Side: Nah man, nah
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The religion of Islam is far worst than Christianity.

Definitely.

Everyone points their fingers at Christianity but we can't talk about Islam because that's "Islamaphobic."

Why do you care what they call you? I can't point my finger at Christians without being reminded about Islam. Do you see me stopping?

The Quaran has many hateful, violent and sexist verses in it.

That's true.

Not to mention many muslim countries like Saudi Arabia stone gays and throw them off buildings too just for being gay.

But, punishing Americans for what happens in Saudi Arabia is very unamerican.

Not to mention women aren't allowed to drive, vote, hold office, etc.

But they can in Indonesia. Maybe Saudi Arabia is backwards.

If one religion is a problem and needs reformation it is Islam

And, I don't think we should stop at one religion. I think starting with Islam would be a great idea, too.

Side: Nah man, nah
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I think for any religion to remain relevant it has to evolve. As people grow- as science teaches us new wonders and explains old ones, as the mindset and acceptance of others previously deemed "undesirables" changes- the churches must grow as well. Otherwise it runs the risk of either being seen as a religion that fears education or a religion that is so intolerant of others that it's seen as militant. Both of which, overtime, will sour people to its teachings.

Side: Yeah I guess
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Could it? Of course. Will it? No.

Christianity and Catholicism have become progressively more tolerant (just look at the current Pope), however, there's still a large part of it which is filled with bigotry and hatred to anything which doesn't coincide with their beliefs.

So, yes, if given the time and resources it could certainly reform. However, I don't think it will any time soon.

Side: Yeah I guess

No, it should now be killed.

Try better religions if you are desperate enough; I wonder why would you want to revive this relic.

Side: Nah man, nah
2 points

Even as an atheist I don't think this should happen. What we need to do, regardless of the group you associate with, is become more tolerant yourself. Making the argument that Christianity needs to be more tolerant just shows how intolerant you are with that particular religion. It is impossible for anyone to be tolerant with everything. What I see as the larger issue is that religion needs to be kept out of government as reasoning for certain laws to be passed. This however is not a problem with religion, but rather government.

Side: Nah man, nah

Do you mean like reformed to be tolerant of killing viabe late term babies fo any reason?

That's where a godless tolerant man made humanist religion leads a nation.

We already have some Liberal false churches that support Gay marriage and abortion.

What they are is man made cults. What kind of fool would spend one minute in a man made cult? There could be nothing real about it so why do it?

The answer is obvious. Progressives hate what Christianity stands for and they are doing all in their power to twist it, change it, reform it to fit your ideology. That would be making men our God.

I realize that these Progressive Liberal elites consider themselves Godlike and truly believe they are the all powerful enlightened ones who should have the right to force us all to follow their political correct man made cult.

Gee I thought Progressives believed in separation of Cult and state. I guess that only applies to other religions.

I just wondered how tolerant, and inclusive, and open minded it is to kill viable babies for any reason? This is the inhumanity of your tolerant reformed world.

The entire reasons for our broken families, and swollen welfare roles filled with unwed mothers, is because of the reforms to the church you want so badly.

Side: Nah man, nah
2 points

We already have some Liberal false churches that support Gay marriage and abortion.

How is that different from churches that allow people who have gone through divorce to attend? Is it different?

Side: Yeah I guess
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

I've explained your deception many times. You can't be that stupid.

For the last time, the church does not keep Gays from attending church.

The Church will not support Gay marriage because that would be participating in the sin.

The Church does not participate in a divorce.

Many Churches do not hold past sins against you when you marry again. It would not be participating in the past divorce, and God does forgive past sins if repenting from those sins.

This would of course require a person to admit his sin in the first place. Openly Gay people who want to marry have not repented from their sin, they are celebrating the sin.

The Church would forgive homosexuals who were once married to the same sex, if they were now marrying someone of the opposite sex.

I you can't grasp the obvious, I have better things to do.

Side: Nah man, nah
Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Do you mean like reformed to be tolerant of killing viabe late term babies fo any reason?

No, they already support that twice as much as others right now.

That's where a godless tolerant man made humanist religion leads a nation.

The main is lead by Christians. Thanks for admitting the religion is actually godless.

already have some Liberal false churches that support Gay marriage and abortion

And divorce.

What they are is man made cults. What kind of fool would spend one minute in a man made cult? There could be nothing real about it so why do it?*

You tell us.

The answer is obvious.

Wow, you actually decided to tell us something. Nice. Thanks.

Progressives hate what Christianity stands for and they are doing all in their power to twist it, change it, reform it to fit your ideology. That would be making men our God.

You made men your God and you criticize humanists? Why?

realize that these Progressive Liberal elites consider themselves Godlike and truly believe they are the all powerful enlightened ones who should have the right to force us all to follow their political correct man made cult.

You act very weak for someone who thinks they are God.

Gee I thought Progressives believed in separation of Cult and state. I guess that only applies to other religions.

You haven't described any mixing of church and state, dipshit.

just wondered how tolerant, and inclusive, and open minded it is to kill viable babies for any reason?

It's crazy, but people who want to murder babies twice as much as Democrats actually do claim to be more tolerant.

Side: Yeah I guess
1 point

Christianity is living in the Kingdom of Heaven. The Word of the King of Heaven, the Bible, does not change. You cannot reform Christianity, you can invent fake religious concepts and practices excluded by the Bible and call them Christianity and many suckers will buy it.

And Catholicism is not Christian, it is one of those religions based on paganism which borrows and distorts Biblical characters and teachings. Reform religions all you want to and you still do not have Biblical Christianity.

Side: Nah man, nah
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The Bible defines and guides Christianity, not any reformer, not any Poope, not any religion. You cannot reform Christianity without creating a fraudulent religion which claims to be Christian.

Side: Nah man, nah
1 point

If you change any part of the Bible to become more "tolerant" then it's wrong because you aren't supposed to take anything out of the Bible, or add anything to it.

Side: Nah man, nah
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I like how liberals and progressives look at Christianity being intolerant and stuff while Islam is so much worse. they need a reformation before any other religion does.

Side: Nah man, nah
Kingly342(29) Disputed
1 point

1) I'm not a liberal nor progressive, both sides are fucking horrible

2) The question was about CHRISTIANITY/CATHOLICISM, not ISLAM.

3) All religions are equally as bad, except Sikhism for some reason if my memory serves me correctly.

Side: Yeah I guess

My list of religions that are not bad includes - Sikhism, Buddism, Advaita Hinduism, Taoism, Jainism, Deism/Atheism (which aren't really religions, but formally are), New Age mysticism among some others that I've not yet decided on.

Most of these are Eastern, though. Seems like you didn't have any variety there.

Side: Yeah I guess
1 point

When the True Dentist reveals himself all other religions shall bow at his greatness. With this in mind and my predictions I do not believe that Christianity will have enough time to reform before the True Dentist reveals himself.

Side: Nah man, nah

Nope. Tolerance of evil is? ... evil. Still waiting for the Atheist religion to reform, quit using Satanic symbols, and exemplifying Satanic qualities which are destroying the world.

Side: Nah man, nah