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Is P C the new censorship ?
Politicians and media over here would not repeat on air what Donald Trump said about African countries as they said the remarks were "racist " which is absolute nonsense as they are factually correct , yet another example of over the top P C media types shouting someone down for being truthful
President Donald Trump stunned lawmakers in a White House meeting on immigration Thursday when he reportedly referred to Haiti and African nations as “s---hole countries.”
“Why are we having all these people from s---hole countries come here,” the president asked as was first reported by media including The Washington Post, The New York Times and CNN. The crude term means dirty and impoverished.
Trump said the United States should let in more people from places such as Norway, whose prime minister met with him in the White House Wednesday.
I think it is really easy to turn political correctness around, because in many cases, what is considered politically correct is actually more offensive.
For example, calling someone with black skin an "African American". Do you call people with white skin "European Americans"?
What do you call someone who was born in America? A native American.
Who determines what is politically correct? A bunch of fags, probably.
I'm not against people coming in from shit hole countries, who can blame them? Lets keep it real though, there are some pretty shit hole countries in this world.
You say ......I'm not against people coming in from shit hole countries, who can blame them? Lets keep it real though, there are some pretty shit hole countries in this world.........
Yes I know this but Trump was talking about African countries , I’m asking why he’s being attacked for stating a fact ?
I don't have any primary sources of President Trump making his comments, so I don't really know how much of what is being reported is accurate. The media is demonstrably dishonest about the prez.
Isn't it obvious though? Some big people are out to get The Don. They must take him as being a threat to their money, influence, or something. They'll jump on anything to tear him down.
Which is a shame, because it has already fed into a lot of panic and hysteria.
There really is a coordinated media effort to take down The Don. It's so obvious, they aren't even good at hiding it.
See, 20 years ago they could have, and did in fact get away with this kind of stuff. It doesn't work as well in the information age when you can go to primary sources and bypass the media spin.
Hi Antrim , I think a lot of these P C types prefer deceit as people are terrified of saying what they think , instead preferring what they think fellow P C types want to hear .....I bet none of them ever book a holiday in any of these African shitholes but no doubt claim that these are actually beautiful countries facing “ challenges “
Hi Dermot, Man's literary creativity is at it's best when engaging in the shim-sham practices of, for instance, trying to make a sow's lung sound like a silk purse.
At least once a year a hurricane blows the Haitian dwellings made from cardboard and chewing gum off into the sea.
They immediately replace these flimsy erections with exactly the same type of construction and materials all ready for the big bad wolf to huff and puff and blow them down.
A black guy walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. The bartender says, where did you get that thing? The parrot says, Africa, there are millions of them
Talk about totally missing the point , yes people do at times say uncaring and insensitive things , but in general P C bullshit has gone way over the top Trumps calling African countries Shitholes is a perfectly accurate assessment of what these countries mostly are ; tell me how would you describe, The Congo , Ghad or Zimbabwe ?
How about RESPECTFUL non de-humanizing way as Developing Countries or even I as a liberal call that P.C, how about Far Less Then Stellar. Many European and Asian Countries are poor as well. I doubt a White Dominated U.S would refer to them as POS.
Albania, Moldova, Bulgaria, YugoSlavia, Laos, Papua New guinea, etc.
You may not agree with "White Supremacy" or be to blind to see it. But bias still exits...
But I’m not “respectful “ of countries that are shitholes African countries are amongst the worst hell holes in the world , incidentally how do you re - label North Korea , Zimbabwe , Chad , Somalia even Saudi Arabia ?
Your term “ developing countries “ regarding African countries is ridiculous as this term has been used for decades and guess what they are still “ developing “ and no doubt will still be doing so in 50 years time
Why are you lazily throwing in the term “ white supremacy “ ?
Don’t be such a child where did I state whites are superior in my posts ?
What I’m stating is fact if they’re not shit - holes please explain why you think not ?
Dermot’s an Irishman. He isn’t likely to be a clansman in the KKK sense. If you think that you pick up a bad name because you share the same skin color as Dermot, then I have some bad news for you.
I often wondered about the KKK and there membership in the U S , as the impression I always had was that the bulk of the membership was mainly from certain states in the U S , how true that is I don’t know .
Regards myself I’m glad to say I have friends and family members of all shapes , colour and creeds which makes life very interesting
The KKK first started in the south following the civil war as a band of losers who couldn’t accept the loss or its consequences. They came and went over time but came back most recently after WWII as white supremacists who need to blame someone for their problems. They were mostly in the south each time they popped up. Now they have small groups spread generally around the country. I would expect the larger share to still be in the south.
So why are you lying and claiming I said things I never said ?
I don’t “ demean “ countries you idiot , what do you call North Korea ? Utopia ? I call it a shit hole but a dishonest fuck like you is too terrified to say so , why’s that ?
I’m not American you fucking Jack ass if you were raised by a whore of a mother in a trailer park don’t take it out on me , regards the Klan your mother makes good money of them show some gratitude you jack ass
I think, with King Donald in office (enthroned?), PI is more dangerous than PC. His rejection by the Mayor of London and its public shows how Political IN-correctness is hurting OUR country! ;-(
The mayor of London is a rabid extremist Muslim named Sadiq Khan. He doesn't speak for millions of people. There are youtube videos of people from London all over the place who support Trump.
While I could never be called Trumps biggest fan I detest this P C type of nonsense because he’s saying something that’s factually true , political in - correctness he gets called on all the time and yes I agree it is damaging for the U S
I'm lost? You are, as of are your type. "If you are not with Trump you are with the anti-white-christian globalists". Isn't that right delusional one?
That was a specific prophet(s) in the "knowing in the womb thingy". Two verses we are not prophets. Stop generalizing
Honestly bringing up a previous debate proves how desperate you are to debate me.
Where would the child be happier? With G_D or in this sin-filled world where he can inherit original sin. Surely as the bible said thou is happy to dash the baby's head against the rocks proves it *Actual verse"
You're like an obsessed fanboy, but the Devil Ain't Gonna get me today
On Judgment day, I want you to make the same ludicrous excuses to God that you are to me. Tell God how the innocent human lives that he knows in the womb are better off dead.
Heck we might as well kill children before they reach the age of accountability, and thereby insure they make it to heaven.
I always wonder why people who choose the world over God, bother going to a cult every Sunday.
These new age Liberal Churches are built on man's word, not God's word. It's a cult built on mans selfish nature.
Why bother going to a cult. There is no truth in a cult so why go? When man creates the cult, it will change in another generaton to the next political correct culture's beliefs.
Maybe you can join a new Church that has a transgender Pastor. How about a unisex Pastor? How about a female Pastor who used to be male. This new culture believes there are many many separate genders, so I guess when God made man, and then made woman from the man, that he just forgot to mention al the other genders.
Your Church will pick and choose which parts of the Bible it wants to preach and ignore the parts it does not like, such as speaking to the sin of homosexuality and other unnatural sexual orientations.
I agree that it is a form of censorship, although there is nothing "new" about it. Socrates encountered essentially the same issues thousands of years ago as he challenged sacrosanct notions/norms of his time. Ultimately, he was the one forced to drink the poison in the end
Hi X , yes you’re right , people are terrified of voicing their opinions just in case they are talked down to and bullied into accepting the views they ordinarily would not hold
I agree that it is a form of censorship, although there is nothing "new" about it. Socrates encountered essentially the same issues thousands of years ago
Really? How interesting. So what did the Greeks request Socrates call black people instead of "niggers"? Did they force him to stop referring to Muslims as "filth"?
Here's the thing that you and many other users on this site don't appear to understand about free speech: your right to speak ends when you use your words as a weapon to attack other people with. You are not permitted to attack others with bats, clubs, knives, teapots or cutlery, so what on Earth makes you believe you have a right to attack them with words?
Here's the thing that you and many other users on this site don't appear to understand about free speech: your right to speak ends when you use your words as a weapon to attack other people with.
The words Nazi, neo con, uncle tom, or deplorable ring a bell?
Here's the thing that you and many other users on this site don't appear to understand about free speech: your right to speak ends when you use your words as a weapon to attack other people with. You are not permitted to attack others with bats, clubs, knives, teapots or cutlery, so what on Earth makes you believe you have a right to attack them with words?
Why don't you just admit that you are in favor of quasi-Orwellian Newspeak
I am not going to upvote this post, because you have chosen to use words to deliberately misrepresent my opinion. You do not get to decide what my opinion is. Not even if you use a thesaurus.
What you are xMathFanx is a pseudo-intellectual neo-Conservative troll who is completely lost in any situation where he is obliged to tell the truth.
The Hallmark of Neo-Conservatism is hyper-aggressive militarism which is the issue I am most against. Also, take a poll and see if Conservatives on this site would characterize me as amongst their ranks or leaning to the Left (based on my positions held in my argument history).
I am fully aware of what the hallmarks of neo-Conservatism are. I have been schooling idiots just like you for well over a decade.
hyper-aggressive militarism
Which links us rather nicely to your bizarre proposition that the US military draft should be reinstated.
which is the issue I am most against
MathFan, you are one of the new breed of transparent neo-Conservative trolls who believes the best way to undermine liberalism is pretend to be a liberal. You are fooling nobody with an IQ higher than 100, I assure you.
Which links us rather nicely to your bizarre proposition that the US military draft should be reinstated.
?? Are you referring to the debate Motion I presented a while back? I have already explained (a number of times) that creating an unambiguous Motion which creates two opposing sides (For & Against) is standard procedure in (most) Formal Debates--the Motion itself is not to be taken as a statement as my stance in respect to the topic.
I do not think that the US Military draft should be reinstated (if you recall, I also created a debate with an opposing Motion "Muhammad Ali was Right to Refuse Army Induction")
Edit: I just looked at my Debate History, and the Thread you are referring to was in fact a question posed rather than a Motion. Thus, everything you said on this matter was a complete fabrication
Are you referring to the debate Motion I presented a while back
I am referring to the fact that most (if not all) of your debates just happen to be neo-Conservative talking points. Reinstating the national military draft is not an argument likely to interest anybody on the left.
Yes. I remember when the neo cons came out with a list of talking points and presented it to the public. That really happened in another parallel universe...
I am interested in more than simply in-group argumentation
xMathFanx.
You are only interested in one thing and that thing is misrepresentation. Personal experience has taught me that you deliberately misrepresent the arguments of anybody you cannot best in fair debate, and right now you are deliberately misrepresenting your own ideological beliefs.
Your sneering, arrogant neo-Conservative attitude drips from every word you write, so just like I pointed out thirty minutes ago: you aren't fooling anybody with an IQ above 100.
There are many black conservatives, and we love them and respect them. We don't care that Ben Carson, Larry Elder, Allen West, Herman Cain, etc are black. We would care if they were Communists. Tossing blind accusations won't help you nom.
The fact is, that you, a Commie, want to kill people, and even threatened to. And the people you attack do not.
Bronto, your first link is to a subscription only article. It cannot be viewed without signing up. This proves that you are simply typing words into a search engine to see what ammunition comes back, and are not even bothering to read it when it does.
Your second link contradicts your initial claim that there are "millions of black Conservatives". At least, if they exist, then they did not vote for Trump. It reads:-
Back in July, there was great laughter and knowing nods when some polls showed that then-GOP presidential contender Donald Trump would get 0 percent of the black vote. This seemed about right. Trump seemingly earned and deserved the goose egg with his horrendous record of slamming the door on blacks in his apartment rentals, his relentless birther savaging of President Obama, his non-stop trash of the Central Park Five, wild enthusiasm for stop and frisk, and his thinly disguised race-tinged cracks and digs at his rallies. But a funny thing happened between the near gag line 0 percent Trump supposedly would get if the election were held in July, and the actual election. That 0 percent of the black vote, magically transformed into some real numbers that actually had some significance for the election, and maybe beyond. The 8 percent of the black vote he got which numbers wise factors out to roughly a half million votes.
Moreover, if 8 percent of the black vote represents half a million people, then the 1 percent of black voters who identified themselves as "strongly Republican" in 2012 must number about 62,500 people. That's 62,500 black Conservatives of voting age in the entire of America.
Back in July, there was great laughter and knowing nods when some polls showed that then-GOP presidential contender Donald Trump would get 0 percent of the black vote. This seemed about right. Trump seemingly earned and deserved the goose egg
That brontoraptor used a left wing trash Trump site to prove you wrong is commendable.
I seen you ommit part of the Bible earlier in different debate.
No, you saw me quote the part of the Bible which was relevant to proving the point I made. Since the part I "omitted" did not in any way discredit or disprove the part I posted, your fallacy is called a red herring.
Also, omit only has one M.
Finally, nobody wants you here. You are an intellectual idiot who has been banned more times than prostitution.
Couldn't help it could you nom? I told you it was a mental illness. It's very strange that this Muslim's grammar was ungrammatical in many ways, but you chose a spelling error to pursue with your illness. Let me do a case study on you.
MathFan, you are one of the new breed of transparent neo-Conservative trolls who believes the best way to undermine liberalism is pretend to be a liberal.
Your very response supports it. Yesterday, I posted an exhaustively long list of your opinions from your own argument waterfall. Something neo-Conservatives tend to do with chilling frequency is refuse to acknowledge the existence of evidence which undermines their position. They quite simply pretend it hasn't happened.
MathFan, you are one of the new breed of transparent neo-Conservative trolls who believes the best way to undermine liberalism is pretend to be a liberal. You are fooling nobody with an IQ higher than 100, I assure you.
Have you forgotten(?)--You were initially my ally precisely due to my positions on War/US Militarism and such. Now, are you suggesting that your IQ is ipso facto no better than 100 (base average)? It appears as though you are belittling yourself in your misguided attempt to condescend me and others(?)
that’s rather hypocritical of you ( yet again )isn’t it ?
So let me just clarify this, Dermot. You think that NOT ignoring the vast differences time makes to culture makes me a hypocrite? Here is what the great liberal emancipator Abraham Lincoln said during his own time:
"As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man."
Well, will you look at that? It appears that you are actually the hypocrite. What a big surprise.
I explained in some detail what he has got to do with your rabid attack against Marx. Both of them lived in very different times and cannot be judged by the standards of modernity for that exact same reason. Abraham Lincoln is historically known as being the man who ENDED the domination of white supremacist thought by emancipating the slaves. But by the same logic you have used to attack Karl Marx, Lincoln was a sneering racist who believed in the genetic superiority of the white man:-
In 1858, Lincoln expressed his opposition to racial equality and asserted the superiority of white people.
Ah so Marx’s hatred of Jews and blacks is “ acceptable “ as it would be unfair to judge him by modern standards , so this rule must also apply to Hitler after all why judge him by modern standards ?
Why do you say slavery was wrong surely that’s unfair as you’re judging it on “modern standards “?
What do you mean my “ rabid “ attack on Marx ? What I stated about the sponger Marx is 100 per cent factual .......Checkmate again buddy , do you not get sick of getting your Marxist butt kicked ?
The layabout Marx was a racist as was the millionaire Engels let’s loook at some examples of their “ rabid “ hatred of blacks and Jews shall we ?
For example, Marx didn’t think much of Mexicans. When the United States annexed California after the Mexican War, Marx sarcastically asked, “Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”
Engels shared Marx’s contempt for Mexicans, explaining: “In America we have witnessed the conquest of Mexico and have rejoiced at it. It is to the interest of its own development that Mexico will be placed under the tutelage of the United States.”
Marx had a racial vision that might be interesting to his modern-day black supporters. In a letter to Engels, in reference to his socialist political competitor Ferdinand Lassalle, Marx wrote:
It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a n—–. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.
Engels shared Marx’s racial philosophy. In 1887, Paul Lafargue, who was Marx’s son-in-law, was a candidate for a council seat in a Paris district that contained a zoo. Engels claimed that Lafargue had “one-eighth or one-twelfth n—– blood.”
In a letter to Lafargue’s wife, Engels wrote, “Being in his quality as a n—–, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.”
Marx was also an anti-Semite, as seen in his essay titled “On the Jewish Question,” which was published in 1844. Marx asked:
What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.
Clearly, you can’t be a racist if you’re a true believer in white supremacy. I mean, if those black nations ARE shit holes, how can it be racist to say it? If those white nations like Norway are so great, how can it be racist to say it?
Clearly, you can’t be a racist if you’re a true believer in white supremacy
There are "supremacists" and "nationalists" in and of every single race, and probably about the same amounts percentage-wise. But libs don't seem to be concerned. Why? Need more imported Democrats. If they believed these migrants voted red, the left would build the wall themselves. You know it's true, and... I know it's true.
You interested in some migrants from Poland or Crimea Con? How about some Ukranians? No? Of course not. They, free thinking, independence desiring love of country people, might block the Liberal dystopia from being created. Who needs America, right Con?
Once the flag is gone, the nation is flooded with third world migrants, and the left has us in a race war, which will be soon, there will be no America that any sane migrant will want to come to anyway. Put your glass up con. Your grandchildren will inherit the threshold of hell that the left created. We aren't racists con. We are like environmentalists trying to preserve something as we watch others unintentionally and sometimes intentionally, destroy it. We love our kids enough to protect what's left of the country. It's too bad the left are so quickly ready to throw it away.
We don't mind some migrants. What we do mind, is the left importing voters and lying out their ass, telling everyone how much they love migrants in order to make a one party rabid, far leftist Marxist, Communist dictatorship.
America is supposed to be the land and the free for the poor and the meek. I've discussed above the pyschopathia it takes to call them s*holes (not caring about what another person feels emotionally). But they aren't "stellar" places, lets leave it at that. Ukraine is a heavily indebt high violence/murder rate and full of Right Wing Nazi's. They are actually having a WAR. By your logic they should be banned because of that.
There is only a small minority of people who are anti-Western. Every ton of apples has 5 or 6 rotten ones. Many contribute in countless universities, trades, labor etc. Europe may need some fine-tuning yes, but America's Immigration is absolutely stellar in every reason imaginable.
I'm thinking of a certain term oh yea that the right love to say, oh yea.
FAKE NEWS!!!!
P.S White People control the infrastructure, the majority of the population, corporations, education etc. Minorities can be racist and prejudice but only whites can be supremacists. Because the take their "better position determined by culture and centuries old oppression" and turn into the alt-right, (blacks have lower IQ's, etc)
With great Power comes responsibility you use it to build people up not kicking the stool underneath them.
Nothing to do with white “ supremacy “ you idiot , but of course you’re one of the P C loons who prefer to use P C terms like “ these African countries are facing “ challenges “ .....
So in you view it’s “ unfair “ to call a shithole like Zimbabwe a shithole 🙀 What Happy clappy term would you use ?
Hi Antrim , the outrage over here at the remarks is hilarious yet another hand wringing politician stated “ it’s grossy unfair to label countries that are facing “ challenges “ and “ demonise “ them this way “
Utter bullshit what’s unfair about calling a shithole a shithole ?
I hate that word “ challenge “ its the go to word used to evade speaking truthfully
Good list Antrim , I particularly like “ winter festival “ , here is a little guide for all the sensitives who do not want to cause outrage or offence to others ,
How to talk without offending sensitives
Bald- Comb free
Blind- Visually challenged
Bum - Homeless Person
Cannibalism - Intra-Species Dining
Cheating - Academic Dishonesty
Cowardly - Challenge Challenged
Dead - living impaired
Dish Washer - utensil sanitizer
Fat - People of Mass
Gang - Youth Group
Homeless - outdoor urban dwellers
Insult - Emotional Rape
Midget / Dwarf - Little People
Perverted - Sexually dysfunctional.
Prostitute - sex care provider
Redneck - person of region
Stupid - intellectually impaired
Drunk - spacially perplexed
Dishonest - Ethically disoriented.
Garbage Man - sanitation engineer
Gas Station Attendent - petroleum transfer technician
Mankind- Earth Children
Insane People - Mental Explorers
Geek, Nerd, - socially challenged
Loser - uniquely fortuned individual on an alternative career path
