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Is kindness to Jesus, an honor, for His Honor?
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You have no evidence of that, You are shifting the burden of proof. If you make the claim you are responsible for providing evidence. If I make the claim that I caught a fairy in my back yard. You then say: "fairies don't exists". Then I respond: "You have no evidence of that". You see how ridiculous that is since I'm the only one that can provide verifiable evidence. Same applies with claims of the afterlife. A simple question that you can ask is: "Where is the afterlife located?", and see that the arguments made don't rely on verifiable evidence. which makes it even more stupid when you pretend to understand what science is. That's not a good argument. You have to be more throughout than that and explain what I don't understand about science, and how to relates to my main points. Side: No.
In what ways, exactly, is reality 'much more refreshing'? If belief pleases the believer then how is believing a waste? Seems to me like you're laboring under the fantasies that existence is positive and that there's a way to 'succeed' at existing. I'm not at all persuaded... Side: Yes.
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I was being facetious, I understand that there's more nuance to this topic. Have you seed the movie Bubble Boy? This boy lives his entire life in a bubble believing that if he came out of it, he would die. He denied himself so many experiences because of that fear. It is only when he leaves the bubble that he truly starts living. He had a false believe about the world that impeded him from doing things he wanted to do. Well.. that's religion. If a believe in God is false, that means your morals, actions, politics, even they way you treat others is based on a false believe. Establishing validity for not only God but the version of God someone ascribes to seems very important. This is where it all falls apart because at the point you start asking for evidence, you are told: "You find God through faith, believe without knowing". That's at the core of many religions. It's not only a way to believe in God, but to justify any believe in anything. You takes the stories of the bible, koran, and torah. They are all part of a mythology that share a lot of features with pagan and dead religions, there's ancient writings that show that ancient Jews were polytheists. Evidence that the torah was written by 4 different authors that modified each other's text. That the new testament was modified time and time again after it was originally written. So at this point to can take and claim that your version of believing is the right one, or just realize that these are believe systems that were created by people that had ancient ideas about how the world worked. Which by today standards... were very wrong. Side: Yes.
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You being facetious, that's fair. I'm not persuaded by your more serious take, though. End of the day I don't see why I should view theistic narratives as any less palliative or deluded than secular narratives. Nor do I see why it matters if anyone's belief is palliative or deluded; if that gets them trough the shite of existence, so be it imo. All belief systems are created by people, and they're all wrong by someone else's standard. Side: Yes.
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Not all beliefs are created equal. One of my main points is that religious beliefs uphold the denial of evidence so a belief can be held. Secular beliefs, as you call them, uphold evidence as the core of those beliefs. When I ask of the religious: "How do you know you are not wrong about your belief?". They usually reply with: "God is perfect and I know he exists". I then ask: "How do you know He exists?". The response ends up being: "I believe through faith." So let me ask you this: "Is believing through faith (believing without knowing) the same as believing through evidence?" It would be be ideal if the religious kept their beliefs as a hidden personal trinket. They don't, however. The religious organize and push political policies that affect everyone. Some want their religion to be the only religion in government. They use their beliefs to deny the rights of others and attack them. That's why it matter if their beliefs are deluded. Side: Yes.
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Not all beliefs are created equal. One of my main points is that religious beliefs uphold the denial of evidence so a belief can be held. Secular beliefs, as you call them, uphold evidence as the core of those beliefs. That isn't necessarily true at all, because religious beliefs don't happen in a vacuum. Neither are religious people barred from scientific inquiry. Hence, the process of finding your conclusion first and then working backwards to look for the evidence is a widespread practice in life which occurs in all disciplines, including science. Side: Yes.
The construction of what constitutes evidence and the preference for evidentiary reasoning are both taken on faith just as much as any theistic construct. I could as well ask you: "how do you know that evidence exists?" or "how do you know evidenced beliefs are preferable?" and you'd come up just as empty as any theist. Because reason and logic can't prove themselves (by their own rules). Your beliefs and way of existing are not obviously better just because they're evidenced (that begs the question). Why would it be ideal if theists kept their beliefs hidden? Some of my most interesting conversations have been with theists about their beliefs, and for the theists I've been close to in my life understanding their beliefs was integral to knowing who they were. Secularists also organize and push political policies that affect everyone. Secularists also want their belief system to be the only belief system in government (what are you yourself advocating for if not the removal of theistic belief systems from government?). Secularists also use their beliefs to deny the rights of others and attack them (you think it'd be ideal for theists to hide their beliefs, which is basically the same as anti-gay theists asking gays to hide their sexuality). The practices you describe aren't limited to theists - they're human attributes. Side: Yes.
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The construction of what constitutes evidence and the preference for evidentiary reasoning are both taken on faith just as much as any theistic construct. What an utterly ludicrous statement. If I throw you into a fire, which is the best place for you, you will have six senses to confirm where you are. Side: Yes.
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The construction of what constitutes evidence and the preference for evidentiary reasoning are both taken on faith just as much as any theistic construct. Faith is the claim that you believe something despite not knowing if it's true or false. Evidence is a process in which assertions are verified. They are not equal as you claim. Believing that airplanes fly do to mechanical forces acting on the plane, is not equivalent to believing airplanes fly because fairies are carrying it. One is based on the rigor of the scientific process, the other on fantasy. how do you know that evidence exists? Evidence is something you present. It exists an abstract of reason that can be used to prove or disprove claims. Asking how I know evidence exists is basically asking: "what evidence do I have that evidence exists?". how do you know evidenced beliefs are preferable? Because beliefs based on evidence are falsifiable while those based on faith are not. There's isn't any amount of contradictory evidence that changes the mind of the faithful. Because reason and logic can't prove themselves Reason and logic are abstracts of what constitutes proper argument. The same way you know that you shouldn't take down a load-baring wall in a house. Logic dictates the most reasonable conclusion you can make based on a premise. You are basically asking: "can you prove 1 + 1 = 2", and the answer is yes. Your beliefs and way of existing are not obviously better just because they're evidenced (that begs the question). No, begging the question would mean my argument is recursive, it's not; however, you are drawing several false equivalences. If I told you I have a purple dragon in my garage. Would you just accept that, or would you demand evidence? Secularists also organize and push political policies that affect everyone Not even close... The religious make up 80% of the US, the non-religious only make up 15% of that. Trying to organize secularist, atheist and agnostics is like trying to herd cats. Secularists also want their belief system to be the only belief system in government (what are you yourself advocating for if not the removal of theistic belief systems from government?) Secularism means that NO religion dominates government and policy. It says nothing about the removal of belief systems Stalin-style. Secularists also use their beliefs to deny the rights of others and attack them What rights are people being denied do to secularists? Secularists don't control any one political party in the US. Which is not of the religious which control most of the government. (you think it'd be ideal for theists to hide their beliefs, which is basically the same as anti-gay theists asking gays to hide their sexuality). The practices you describe aren't limited to theists - they're human attributes. First, being Christian is a choice, being gay is not. My issue is not so much that you want to flaunt your faith, but the vitriol the religious throw feeling justified in their faith. As a gay person I cannot tell you how many times I've been told: "Your lifestyle is going to send you to hell" and "You are possessed by a demon". I'm not going to argue that anyone can be a "bad" person. What I will argue is that the morality that Christianity, Jewish, and Muslim faiths are all antiquated and make no sense in today's world.. Side: Yes.
Regarding the Foundations of Logical Systems Your response does not address my metalogical argument because you are merely invoking logic and reason as self-evident without demonstrating that these systems are valid or true. My critique is that without proving the soundness of evidence and validity of logic one cannot claim them as certainly superior to any other foundations for belief. The paradox of proving logic and reason is that by their own foundational assumptions they cannot be used to prove themselves, but stepping outside of them to prove them demonstrates their non-exclusive claim to founding sound belief. Moreover, even if these systems were proved that would not demonstrate that a logical and reasoned existence is necessarily the best form of existence. Asserting that your argument is not recursive does not demonstrate that it is not circular; to demonstrate that you would need to offer a metalogical foundation for whatever system of logic you are advocating. At no point have you demonstrated that the systems you are invoking are themselves valid; your analysis here is equivalent to theists invoking a religious text as proof of its validity. Regarding the Influence of Secularism The united states is not the only political aggregation of persons, and secular humanism is quite influential elsewhere. Within the united states, however, explicitly secular organizations include the American Humanist Association, American Atheists, Center for Inquiry, The Atheist Agenda, the United Coalition of Reason, and many others. That secularism precludes one particular form of ideology (i.e. religious ideology) but does not preclude other ideologies is the exact hypocrisy and inconsistency which I was addressing. It is a form of political authoritarianism justified on the mere conviction of one's faith in the superiority of logical and reasoned existence. Setting aside political repression of theocratic ideology, secularists (and particularly secular humanists) tend to endorse forcible intercessions against suicide and elective self-harm on paternalistic grounds justified by appeal to the universal value of human existence. As one potential example among others. Everything about us is determined - whether that be one's ideological perspective or one's sexual orientation. The utter lack of logical or evidentiary proof that free will exists aside, there is scientific research into the genetic predisposition towards faith-based belief (i.e. god gene). Funny how quickly you throw out evidence and reason when they inconvenience your narrative of the superiority of secularism. Intolerance is distinctly human and not uniquely theistic; the notion that secularism is more advanced and progressive is nothing more than self-flattery. P.S. For the record, I practice nihilism and am decidedly not a theist. My criticism of your position stems precisely from the subjective value I place on reason and is not motivated in defense of any theological tradition. (Addressing your remark: "you want to flaunt your faith", which I'm unclear is addressing me or the general you.) Side: No.
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Faith is the claim that you believe something despite not knowing if it's true or false. Evidence is a process in which assertions are verified. They are not equal as you claim No, they are not equal, but they are two different approaches to the exact same problem. She is right that faith is required in science just as it is in religion. I wish she wasn't, because I find her obnoxious, but she is on this occasion. You hint at the main problem in your own answer. Often the assertion comes before the evidence to support it. But even doing it the right way around, no piece (or amount) of evidence is ever statistically foolproof. Side: Yes.
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She is right that faith is required in science just as it is in religion. No, I strongly disagree. No faith is required to hold a belief based on science. Science creates models based of what is testable and observable. Those models need to make useful predictions. If they fail at making those predictions, they are distracted and replaced. That how science knows where the stars will me in a million years, where hurricanes will hit in the future, how long a pandemic will last. Faith on the other hand is a conclusion supported by no evidence, resilient to contradictory evidence and criticism. no piece (or amount) of evidence is ever statistically foolproof. Yes, however... beliefs have a statically value of how attuned they are to reality. I believe that determining which of those beliefs are the most true is vitally important. Side: No.
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No, I strongly disagree. With respect it doesn't matter if you disagree because it isn't a matter of opinion. It's a stone cold fact that science relies on faith in certain assumptions about reality. If it didn't it would never be wrong. Science creates models based of what is testable and observable. Not always it doesn't. Ever hear about theoretical physics? Most things we need to know about the universe are not testable and observable, such as how it began, how long it will last, and what will happen at the end. If they fail at making those predictions, they are distracted and replaced. If science predicts things then obviously that is an expression of faith, since nobody can see the future. Yes, however... beliefs have a statically value of how attuned they are to reality. No they don't. I mean, they do, but it is preposterous to suggest we know enough about the nature of reality to ascertain those probabilities with any degree of accuracy. If you travelled back 200 years people would laugh in your face if you even told then about racial integration, let alone the duality of light, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle or the fact that time moves at different rates dependent upon where you are stood on the Earth. In 200 years from now, people will look back at our era with the same curious amusement. Side: Yes.
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It's a stone cold fact that science relies on faith in certain assumptions about reality. I think the problem we are having here is about definition. If you are using faith as in TRUST, than yeah I agree with you; However, I've been using the word faith as a claim to knowledge (Knowing without evidence, without verification). Ever hear about theoretical physics? Theoretical physics is at the edge of human understanding. These models are absolutely testable (they are simply not created by experimentation) which is why we hold Albert Theory of Relativity in such high regard for making the prediction that gravity bends light. A concept that made no sense in Newtonian physics. Most things we need to know about the universe are not testable and observable, such as how it began, how long it will last, and what will happen at the end. Observations are made indirectly like the Cosmic Microwave Background as evidence of the Big Bang. There are things we don't know YET, but models are created all the time and become more accurate at making predictions. Science might have multiple current scenarios on how the universe will end, but as it gathers more evidence those models are discarded one by one. There are absolutely experiments testing those things, just look at particle accelerators. They try to simulate the energy levels of the the Big Bang and gather data. If science predicts things then obviously that is an expression of faith, since nobody can see the future. Again, if we are talking about trust, absolutely. Scientific models make extremely accurate predictions, if they didn't, they wouldn't be useful. No they don't. I mean, they do, but it is preposterous to suggest we know enough about the nature of reality to ascertain those probabilities with any degree of accuracy I didn't say they were attainable values only that they exist. If you travelled back 200 years people would laugh in your face if you even told then about racial integration, let alone the duality of light, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle or the fact that time moves at different rates dependent upon where you are stood on the Earth. In 200 years from now, people will look back at our era with the same curious amusement. We've made social and scientific progress as a species, we understand the world better now. Side: Yes.
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I think the problem we are having here is about definition. No, the problem we are having is that you are wrong and don't seem to realise despite my having explained why. Theoretical physics is at the edge of human understanding. Please don't change the subject. Theoretical physics relies on no practical models of anything. Hence, its existence debunks your earlier claim. Since you evidently have no interest in acknowledging when your argument is wrong, I'd like to end the conversation here on the grounds that it is pointless. A debate requires both parties to accept responsibility for the validity (or non-validity) of their own arguments. Hence, this is not a debate. This is you abusing language to try to save face. Observations are made indirectly Ahahahaha! So observations are made without observing? Shut up or I'll put you on ignore. My apologies for trying to have a reasonable discussion with you. Side: Yes.
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No, the problem we are having is that you are wrong and don't seem to realise despite my having explained why. You haven't made a convincing argument and avoiding the discussion. Faith has many definitions my entire argument is based on ONE of those definitions. Theoretical physics relies on no practical models* Theoretical physics doesn't form models based on experimentation (they are pure mathematical models); However, to confirm such models experimentation a required part of the process. Since you evidently have no interest in acknowledging when your argument is wrong, I'd like to end the conversation here on the grounds that it is pointless. A debate requires both parties to accept responsibility for the validity (or non-validity) of their own arguments. Hence, this is not a debate. This is you abusing language to try to save face. I'm sorry you feel that way but you haven't made a convincing argument. Ahahahaha! So observations are made without observing? Shut up or I'll put you on ignore. Yes indirect observation like the entire field of quantum mechanics. When particle accelerators collide particles, a lot of those particles exists for nano seconds at a time. The statistical models they use work backwards to rebuild the particle that decayed, and that's how they know those particles exist. You can put me on ignore all you want, I'm not harassing you, I haven't insulted you. It just show that you are having a hard time holding you own and resorting to pettiness. Side: Yes.
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Reason and logic are abstracts of what constitutes proper argument. Reason is the application of maths to reality. An abstract of an abstract. That's why it's so easy to get wrong. In all the years humans have spent on Earth, and of all the different ways they have tried to figure out what is going on, maths is the only thing which has ever worked. Side: Yes.
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If belief pleases the believer then how is believing a waste? We don't believe in a vacuum, dopey. You interact with other people and your beliefs affect your actions, which affect others. Seems to me like you're laboring under the fantasies Seems to me that the most delusional people in life are generally to be found calling others delusional. Side: No.
We don't believe in a vacuum, dopey. You interact with other people and your beliefs affect your actions, which affect others. Yes, obviously. That doesn't answer my question or contradict my position. Seems to me that the most delusional people in life are generally to be found calling others delusional. Careful, Burrito, your obsessive prejudice is showing; it's obvious you're just following me around looking to call me names but don't feel confident enough to do it outright, since you're not canceling OP for doing the exact same thing as me first. Side: Yes.
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You didn't need to. But obviously I did need to, because Jose wrote this:- Why waste a life living in a fantasy when reality is much more refreshing? And you attacked her for it. Living in a fantasy is damaging to everybody around you, but your reply assumed that the only person affected would be the one living in the fantasy, hence why I had to explain it to you. The reason you are desperate for the last word (despite being corrected like a primary school pupil) is because you are the one with the "insecure arrogance", and you are engaging in your usual trick of freudian projection. Side: No.
Your singular fixation upon me continues; I didn't attack them any more than they attacked theists. My response in no way presumed that we exist in a vacuum. I've co-existed with numerous theists without their fantastical religious beliefs harming me in the least bit. Nothing screams desperate quite like dogging my heels just to fall back on discredited authorities when you inevitably can't hold your own in yet another fight you inadvisably picked. Side: Yes.
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Thereβs been a major breakthrough recently in the treatment of mental illness. One of the biggest challenges mentally ill people face is finding the right medication. Very often people are put on medications that do them more harm than good. One huge problem is that drug manufacturers are constantly inventing new drugs and while the patent is enforceable they do everything in their power to capitalize on the patent rights. They market the new drug by offering doctors all sorts of perks (vacations, air fare) for prescribing their latest drugs. The vast majority of doctors have very little education in pharmaceuticals. Most of the pharmaceutical education doctors get is from pharmaceutical salesmen which is ridiculous for obvious reasons.
What this all amounts to is that patients need to look out for themselves and try and get educated about what drugs their doctor is putting them on. I think read somewhere that there were about 270 different psychotropic drugs approved for use in treatment of mental illness in the United States. Unfortunately, it's extremely common for patients to be given medications that actually harm them. This has been a huge problem for decades. Finally, thereβs a ray of hope for people dealing with this problem. There is a brand new branch of science known as Pharmacogenomics. This is gene testing to determine which psychotropic drugs best suit each individual. Once the DNA test has been done a psychiatrist will have a much better idea of which psychotropic drug will work for a given patient. I have a family member who I'm trying to help and I've been doing some research to determine which lab is the most reputable. Iβm looking hard at the Genomind Professional PGx test kit from Genomind. This test kit requires a prescription from a psychiatrist. Side: No.
That's pretty interesting. I have a minor form of depression, I don't suffer from it but occasionally things 'flare' up and I exhibit symptoms I can't fight against. It bothers me being on medicine that is supposed to be for me but isn't really "for" me as an individual. Thanks for the information. Side: No.
@ Mint_tea - You are very welcome. I hope this new testing can help a lot of people. I think we all know that misprescribing is a huge issue. Who knows how many people are living tortured lives that could become normal with the right medication. I see no down side to the testing and the potential upside is huge. We've all heard the stories of people on antidepressants killing themselves or on rare occasions killing someone else. Hopefully someday the DNA testing could put an end to that. I was on antidepressants for a while and they turned me into a zombie. I was injured at work (broke my back in a fall) and my employers decided to treat me like crap so I sued them. (I broke my back in four places, they refused to pay for rehab) I had no idea how much stress that would involve. I developed shingles on my legs. It was incredible. It created huge marital problems, did a lot of damage to our marriage.
The stress was unbearable so I needed something to ease the stress and I started taking the antidepressant, but before I knew what was going on I'd lost two years of my life. I'm overly sensitive to a lot of medications and that particular antidepressant just about did me in. After I took the first tablet I was out for at least two days. Two days in bed barely moving. I wonder if I almost died. When I woke up I took a tablet and cut it in half and took a half. Still way too strong. Took another tablet and cut it into fourths, still too strong. Finally I got out some ice cube trays and took one pill, ground it up and diluted it in water and then filled two ice cube trays with the solution. Each tray made twelve cubes so I had cut that pill into twenty fourths. I was taking an ice cube and letting it melt and drinking the solution. Even that one twenty forth of a tablet turned me into a zombie. I was on that crap for two years before I finally had a moment of clarity and realized I had to stop taking it. I asked my (X) wife why she let me live like a zombie for two years and she said she did it because I was easy to get along with. When I was a zombie I didn't argue with her, I was totally compliant. She thought it was fantastic. I have no idea how I got to work and did my job and I have no memory of it either. Once I'd finally quit taking the drug I realized that I could never take anything like that again because I couldn't trust my wife to look out for me. Since she's been gone my stress level has fallen off a cliff. I have a nephew who I'm nearly certain has been harmed by taking the wrong medications so when I heard a mention of the DNA testing I followed up on it. I've think I like the Genomind company but there could be a DNA testing company that would do just as well. I'm not about to say that Genomind is the best because I don't know for a fact that it is, however, if you do decide to go with Genomind I suggest that before you do, you talk with a local psychiatrist and ask him to give you a prescription for the Genomind test. I'm not sure how the rest works because I haven't gotten that far yet but I think it's possible that the results would be sent to that psychiatrist. I'm not sure about that, I just have a suspicion that's how it works. I should have called Genomind by now and asked them but I haven't gotten to it yet. I have taken a couple of DNA tests for genealogy research and it's easy. You'll get the kit in the mail, you'll probably get a little doll sized tooth brush in the kit and you'll use that to scrub some skin cells off of the inside wall of your cheek and then immediately drop it into a little tube which you will then seal up and put in the mail. It's totally painless. Genomind offers two tests, one which is less comprehensive but is available without a prescription and the other is the more comprehensive test which does require a prescription. I've already told my sister that if it were me I'd go for the most comprehensive test available but that's a personal choice thing. If you decide to do the DNA testing please let me know what you think of it because I'm really curious about what the results look like. Whatever you do decide, good luck. Side: Yes.
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I was on antidepressants for a while and they turned me into a zombie. I was injured at work (broke my back in a fall) and my employers decided to treat me like crap so I sued them. (I broke my back in four places, they refused to pay for rehab) I had no idea how much stress that would involve. I developed shingles on my legs. It was incredible. It created huge marital problems, did a lot of damage to our marriage. I've seen a lot of people end up the exact same way. A good friend of mine, in fact. He takes Prozac and thinks it is helping him, but I'd disagree. I've always said no to those kind of drugs. A couple of times different doctors have tried to give me anti-depressants, but I just won't take them. Anything which messes with the brain's chemistry is dangerous in my opinion. Side: Yes.
Oh I get it. I never thought I'd be in that situation. I'd been badly injured on the job and the injury was clearly the fault of my employer but even then I didn't want to sue, all I was asking for was a month in rehab which they refused. I needed the rehab because I had intense shooting pains going down my legs. It would be on one side one day and the other side the next. I couldn't walk properly, I had to sort of drag my leg around. It was terrible. I had a couple of different doctors tell me that I needed rehab and my thinking was of course I need it with all the injuries I'd had. Also, my symptoms were getting worse instead of better. It was one leg or the other but one day it was both. Shooting pains going down both legs at the same time. I could barely stand up. That's when I realized that if I didn't get fixed I was probably headed for a wheel chair. I'll never understand it, I broke four vertebrae and had several other serious injuries but they were treating me like I was trying to scam them or something. Of course the broken back was my main concern but even without that I still would have been seriously injured, I had a list of injuries. Still they refused to pay for rehab. Finally I paid for the rehab myself. That just infuriated me and made me want to punish them and I think the desire for revenge distorted my reasoning which was already all but gone. Also, I had lawyers chasing me. The circumstances of the injuries were a sure win for them. One lawyer told me he was disappointed I was able to walk because the best money would be for a wheel chair client. Sharks. For a while I wasn't sure I'd ever be able to work again. By the time it was all over I wished I hadn't sued, the agony of going through that just wasn't worth it. After I won in court they did two things. They appealed the verdict and they fired me. Oh and get this - I was a model employee. I hate to think of how they might treat someone they didn't like. (snark) I didn't have a single dime of the jury award and the appeal process would take several more years. I had a wife and two kids to support and no job. I did eventually find another job for less pay but it took some time. Then I sued again to get my original job back. Spending money I didn't have, living on credit cards. I was in a mess, the stress was incredible and because I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with. I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. It was a horrible situation so it didn't take much convincing to get me to take the antidepressants. I was truly at wits end. Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. Side: Yes.
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Rusticus, sounds like you've had a really tough one brother. I know exactly where you're coming from with the back issues. I damaged my spine over a long period of time using a sit-up machine. Now I have really bad bouts of sciatica and pain in my lower back every day. Sometimes I honestly struggle to walk, but at the same time walking is the only thing which fixes it (albeit temporarily). I haven't got kids to worry about though. That's a lot of added pressure. Sounds like the company you worked for doesn't care about its employees. I've worked for a fair few of those myself. Side: Yes.
I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with. I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Your mental state has not changed youβre just as vicious and deranged as ever , fuckers like you when confronted with a challenge blame everyone but themselves and typically your wife and worst of all your kids become your verbal punchbag , I hope they left you to your whining self pity It was a horrible situation so it didn't take much convincing to get me to take the antidepressants. I was truly at wits end. Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. You obviously learned nothing as you still viciously attack everyone who disagrees with you .Youβre an angry child who never grew up Side: Yes.
Dermot - Gotta suck to be you. What does it feel like to be meaningless? To not count? Wait a minute, I've just had an epiphany! I think I get you now! You're a freak for a beating aren't you? You want to be scorned and ridiculed! You're one of those guys who pays a hooker to show up and give you a spanking while you're wearing a diaper aren't you? I have you now! Holy crap you're a lot more messed up than I'd ever imagined! Side: No.
π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ You tried to con a decent man who gave you a job and his ended up a basket case on meds , your deflection attempts are pathetic..... . Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. Wail , wail , poor me π€£π€£ Hows it feel that you admitted abusing your own kids and wife , make you feel a big tough guy ?π Say buddy how does it feel that you brutalised and bullied your own wife and kids? I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Your mental state has not changed youβre just as vicious and deranged as ever , fuckers like you when confronted with a challenge blame everyone but themselves and typically your wife and worst of all your kids become your verbal punchbag , I hope they left you to your whining self pity It was a horrible situation so it didn't take much convincing to get me to take the antidepressants. I was truly at wits end. Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. You obviously learned nothing as you still viciously attack everyone who disagrees with you .Youβre an angry child who never grew up Thatβs what you get for trying to con your boss buddy π€π€π€π€π€π€ Side: Yes.
Wow, you've taken pathetic to a whole new level. I know how this is supposed to go. You want me to beat you up and because you're so twisted you'll get off on that. But I'm not into it. You're gonna have to go find someone else to get you off. Get your hand out of your pants. I didn't cheat anybody. A jury heard all of the facts and awarded me a sizable amount of money for an accident that they determined was in no way my fault and in addition they also awarded me a whole lot of extra money in punitive damages for the way my employer treated me after I was injured. One juror said it was shameful. When it was all said and done I won on every count. That's how it works here in the USA. We have a jury decide who was wrong and who was right and they decided I was right. You're opinion is just like you, it doesn't count. Side: No.
You did cheat a decent man stop lying , even psychiatrists deemed you nuts as did your wife and kids and you fully admitted your lunacy , youβre not capable of beating anyone up except if itβs a woman and kids like your own family who left you ,they had a very fortunate escape Here you are wailing to everyone with your poor me attitude like the pathetic typical whiny wife and child abuser you are ...... Yeah youβre a regular tough guy no doubt Side: Yes.
I'm done wasting my time on you. You're a pathetic over aged child craving attention. You're less than a bug to me. I'm not going to play with you anymore. ππππππ Iβm craving attention says the guy who posts up a piece looking for sympathy over his mental illness and his abuse of his own children and wife ......got ya Go play with yourself. Well I havenβt got a 40 year old game to play with like you π€πππππππποΏ½ Side: Yes.
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Iβm craving attention Hey, look Rusticus. He actually said something which is true. Lol. That has to be a first for him. says the guy who posts up a piece looking for sympathy Wait. You think he posted that piece because he expected you (i.e. a self-confessed paedophile and self-evident psychopath) would give him sympathy? Lmfao. Just how stupid are you pal??? ππ Well I havenβt got a 40 year old game to play with Just a 40 year old dick which no living woman wants to touch. You're desperate and lonely, which is why you come onto websites like this and try to date strangers like Jace!! ππ Side: No.
I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Wail , wail you complete nutter thatβs what you get for attempting to con your boss πππππ€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
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You did cheat a decent man stop lying As a self-confessed paedophile you should stop pretending that you understand what a decent man is. Nonces are not decent men. as did your wife and kids and you fully admitted your lunacy What's that saying, now? Oh yes, that's it. Better to have loved and lost than been a lonely fascist internet troll forced through desperation to hit on strangers over the internet. "Oh Jace. I can see the moon in your eyes tonight". ππππππ Hahahaha! You absolutely pathetic loser. Side: No.
I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Wail , wail you complete nutter thatβs what you get for attempting to con your boss πππππ€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
Say buddy how does it feel that you brutalised and bullied your own wife and kids? That's spelled 'brutalized' dummy. Nobody was brutalized you sad sad little man. I'm the one that demanded the divorce. My x wife wants me back. She's invited me for dinner several times. Not going. Even at my worst I was never abusive. Tell me now, how is it that you know so much about marriage? Ever been? Ever had the responsibility of supporting a family? Let's hear about Dermot the marriage expert hmmm? How many children do you have Dermot? This should be interesting. You know this isn't going to go well for you. Side: No.
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That's spelled 'brutalized' dummy. In absolute fairness that's American English. British English is different. We spell verbs ending "ized" with an s instead of a z. I say that only so you know when you see me do the same thing. My x wife wants me back. She's invited me for dinner several times. Not going. Even at my worst I was never abusive. He's trying to pull your strings brother. This is how psychopaths entertain themselves. By inflicting as much emotional distress as possible. Side: Yes.
In absolute fairness that's American English. British English is different. We spell verbs ending "ized" with an s instead of a z. Point taken, my bad. I'd completely forgotten about the differences between the two countries. Why do we have a different version of English here? I don't like it, if that keeps up eventually we'll be speaking different languages. We Americans should do away with that nonsense. Dermot, I'm so sorry I accused you of that misspell. I'm really deeply sorry! Ok, I know that even you aren't stupid enough to buy that apology. Side: No.
Say buddy how does it feel that you brutalised and bullied your own wife and kids? I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Your mental state has not changed youβre just as vicious and deranged as ever , fuckers like you when confronted with a challenge blame everyone but themselves and typically your wife and worst of all your kids become your verbal punchbag , I hope they left you to your whining self pity It was a horrible situation so it didn't take much convincing to get me to take the antidepressants. I was truly at wits end. Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. You obviously learned nothing as you still viciously attack everyone who disagrees with you .Youβre an angry child who never grew up Thatβs what you get for trying to con your boss buddy π€π€π€π€π€π€ Side: Yes.
I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Wail , wail you complete nutter thatβs what you get for attempting to con your boss πππππ€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
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Point taken, my bad. I'd completely forgotten about the differences between the two countries. Why do we have a different version of English here? Hey, no worries brother. I think language just develops differently in different places. Probably because of the various colloquialisms used in local dialects. Dermot, I'm so sorry I accused you of that misspell. I've seen him spell other words like that with a z, so he hasn't got a clue one way or the other. Side: No.
π€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺ I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Wail , wail you complete nutter thatβs what you get for attempting to con your boss πππππ€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
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That's spelled 'brutalized' dummy. Itβs not in proper English you sad fuck only Americans use the Z Nobody was brutalized you sad sad little man. You admitted such you failure I'm the one that demanded the divorce. My x wife wants me back. Sure she does π€£π€£π€£ She's invited me for dinner several times. Not going. Even at my worst I was never abusive. Probably wants to share your 40 year old game. What do you call what you put your kids through you bully? Tell me now, how is it that you know so much about marriage? Ever been? Ever had the responsibility of supporting a family? I know about successful marriage , your responsibility had your wife and kids leaving you .....remember ? Let's hear about Dermot the marriage expert hmmm? How many children do you have Dermot? This should be interesting. Wow a manic depressive like you who abused his own family and had to resort to anti depressants is now a regular marriage guidance expert ππππππππ Side: Yes.
I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Wail , wail you complete nutter thatβs what you get for attempting to con your boss πππππ€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
π€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺ I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Wail , wail you complete nutter thatβs what you get for attempting to con your boss πππππ€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
Oh my God, you're a virgin. Wow. What went wrong with you? Obviously a very sad story there. How old are you? Are you still living with your parents? I'm beginning to get the picture with you. The reason you have so much hostility towards women. Is there any truth to the claim you're a pedo? I don't expect you to admit it, but I have to wonder. Obviously there's something deeply twisted going on with you. Just tell me what it is. This tread is so deeply buried nobody will ever see it. I've known a couple of pedophiles in my life and both times I was surprised to find that they wanted to talk about their infatuation with children. In fact, they wanted to talk a lot more than I wanted to listen. I didn't want to hear it yet somehow they gave me plenty of clues to get a picture. One time I had a watch partner who was a fantastic sailor. He was very highly skilled, it was a real pleasure to work with him. But then the dark side emerged. He never came right out and said it, he told me stories about things that had happened to him. I didn't figure it out until I was back home and had some time to reflect on comments he had made. I finally put it all together. While we were at sea I didn't want to believe it. I was in denial. I don't think he could help himself. You do know what I'm talking about don't you? Come on now Dermot, now's your chance to unburden yourself. Side: No.
π€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺπ€ͺ I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Wail , wail you complete nutter thatβs what you get for attempting to con your boss πππππ€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
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All you can do it repeat yourself. It's so sad to see. He wants to be evil and mean but because he's so utterly pig stupid he just ends up in a situation where he's pretending not to see the things you write and just spamming emotes at you like he's 13. Because he can only view the world through the level of his own intelligence he thinks the emotes hide the hatred, anger and bitterness he always has on full display. Side: No.
See what you get for trying to fleece your boss π€£π€£ π€£ Hey , did you ever think about writing a country and western song about how you lost your wife , job , kids , dog and finally mind ........π€£π€£π€£ Would be an improvement on your attempts at rap π€£π€£π€£π€£ When you get it recorded play it backwards and you get them all back ......π€£π€£π€£ Remember like that time machine scenario where your thought playing a tape back was drum roll π₯ .....time travel πππππππ€£π€£π€£ Side: Yes.
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Hey , did you ever think about writing a country and western song about how you lost your wife , job , kids , dog and finally mind Have you thought about writing a song about never having experienced any of those things? My, weren't you the smart one, throwing all that away for a shot at being mean to people you don't even know on the internet. πππ€£π€£ Side: No.
See what you get for trying to fleece your boss π€£π€£ π€£ Hey , did you ever think about writing a country and western song about how you lost your wife , job , kids , dog and finally mind ........π€£π€£π€£ Would be an improvement on your attempts at rap π€£π€£π€£π€£ When you get it recorded play it backwards and you get them all back ......π€£π€£π€£ Remember like that time machine scenario where your thought playing a tape back was drum roll π₯ .....time travel πππππππ€£π€£π€£ Side: Yes.
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Remember like that time machine scenario where your thought playing a tape back was drum roll π₯ .....time travel Remember when you publicly admitted that you are sexually attracted to children? I thought about spamming the smiley emotes back, but then I realised that isn't funny. It's plain disgusting. I'd encourage everybody here to report your account to the proper authorities so we can get your hard drive searched. Side: No.
I've always said no to those kind of drugs. A couple of times different doctors have tried to give me anti-depressants, but I just won't take them. Why were several doctors trying to give you anti -depressants? You go round calling everyone mad as you spout your bile on site and doctors have deemed you so .....interesting Anything which messes with the brain's chemistry is dangerous in my opinion. Yours is fucked take the meds 8 Side: No.
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What are you, 12? I need to talk to your mother and ask her why she's allowing her little snot nosed brat to use the computer unsupervised. Little tykes like you can get into all kinds of trouble on the wild wild web. I'm thinking child protective services should get involved. Was that too harsh for your delicate little sensibilities? Maybe it's time for another one of your pathetic cries for help from Andy. "Andy Andy they've been mean to me again!!! Whaaaaaa!!!!!!!!" Side: No.
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He's absolutely laughable. Answering your own account you nut π₯ π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ The most hateful, obnoxious troll on the entire internet whinging about people being mean to him. Says the guy talking to one of his 70 Alt accounts π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ How are you getting on with your 40 year old video game you sad fuck? Side: No.
Hey guys Iβm going on 60 and the highlight of my life so far has been buying a 40 year old video game in a charity shop...... I even posted a debate up on it ( no takers as usual) ......I guess Andy might think it βinteresting β as I never stop licking his butt Yep buddy youβre one sad fuck π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ππππ Side: Yes.
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@ Dermot - Tell you what, you've made me rethink this. So, you're completely fucked up and you've never smoked pot. Here's a suggestion; Since not smoking pot has left you completely fucked up, go get some super weed and hit it hard for a couple of weeks. This is asking a whole lot of the weed but there's an outside chance it could un-fuck you. You're welcome. Side: No.
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Dermot - Tell you what, you've made me rethink this. So, you're completely fucked up and you've never smoked pot. Here's a suggestion; Since not smoking pot has left you completely fucked up, go get some super weed and hit it hard for a couple of weeks. This is asking a whole lot of the weed but there's an outside chance it could un-fuck you I'll be the very first to sing the various benefits of the dreaded demon weed, but even I am dubious that it can cure psychopathy. Side: No.
This is asking a whole lot of the weed but there's an outside chance it could un-fuck you. You're welcome. You mean end up like you as in spunking myself at a charity shop βfind β of a 40 year old video game ......thatβs weed for ya buddy .... What ? ......Youβre welcome Side: Yes.
"You mean end up like you as in spunking myself at a charity shop βfind β of a 40 year old video game" Hey if that's what blows your skirt up who am I to judge? It sounds to me like something likely to get you put on a sex offender list but hey, that's up to you. Then again, judging by what you're thinking about all the time you're probably on a few sex offender lists already so no big deal for you anyway. Side: No.
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Hey if that's what blows your skirt up who am I to judge? π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ But youβre the one who gushed about buying a 40 year old video game not I ......you even posted a debate up on it hoping to attract some more weirdos into discussing a 40 year old game ......no takers on that debate yet πππππππ Side: Yes.
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But youβre the one who gushed about buying a 40 year old video game No he isn't. That was me you completely delusional retard. And the game isn't 40 years old. That's something you made up yourself and have repeated ad infinitum despite knowing full well that it is false. You make up big lies, repeat them until you can force people to believe them and then you whinge like a snowflake when you get called a Nazi. You're literally copying Hitler you dumb fuck. And you don't think the Nazi comparison is relevant? Lol. πππ Side: No.
Yes he is , the idiot repeats the exact same nonsense as you ...... The game you stated was 40 years old I get your embarrassed at spunking yourself over βthe find of a lifetimeβ as you put it .....but at least man up and own it ππππππππππ Side: Yes.
First of all I have no idea what you're talking about. A video game? What if I did buy a 40 year old video game, who cares? Is that your big deal? Is that your major shocker? That's your case for............whatever? That's it, I bought or someone else bought a 40 year old video game? What would that be, Packman? Space Invaders? Pong? I have no idea what you're babbling about or why you think buying a video game is a big deal. You do seem stuck on that subject. What exactly is it about your life that's so pathetic that you go out of your way to obsess about someone buying an old video game? Side: No.
What exactly is it about your life that's so pathetic that you go out of your way to obsess about someone buying an old video game? π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ Yet youβre the one who begged the forum to comment on the 40 year old video game such was your breathless schoolgirl excitement at your β find of the century β ...... Did you ever think this would be one of your lifeβs βcrowning β achievements? Wait donβt answer that π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ Side: Yes.
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You mean end up like you as in spunking myself at a charity shop βfind β of a 40 year old video game He means like making up complete bullshit about other people. Show us where I claimed to have bought this game from a "charity shop". You're literally just a pointless troll who spends his life making lies up about other people. A pointless, stupid, sexually repressed fucking idiot. Side: No.
@ Dermot - I think your main problem is paranoia. You mistakenly believe that Buritolunch and I are the same person. We're not. That's the point at which your crazy train leaves the tracks. You need to accept the fact that we are two different people. If you had anything close to a normal cognitive ability you could easily differentiate between the two of us. Unfortunately you just don't have enough cognitive ability and that along with the paranoia has to suck. I've got to be careful now because I'm starting to feel sorry for you and I hate myself for that. Tell you what I can do for you though, I don't think you live in the US but I'm going to make you an honorary Trump voter just because you certainly meet all the other qualifications, insanity being the most important of those. Side: No.
You are one and the same person as you have 70 odd accounts , you accuse everyone of your insanity , yet the minute I post a piece I will recieve multiple downvotes all from you and your Alt accounts Youβre totally nuts buddy Funny also youβre the one who ended up on anti depressants and admitted you were like a lunatic / maniac , you admitted abusing your wife and kids over your stupidity and of course youβre not to blame itβs every one elseβs fault .......This is your position all the time isnβt it ? So the opinion of you a self confessed nut who admitted abusing his own family is amusing to say the least , hope they left you ....bet they did Side: Yes.
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Says the man who just admitted he was under psychiatric care and whoβs wife and kids left him Omg. How is it even possible that you are a fully grown adult and don't understand the difference between the words "whose" and "who's"? ππ Dermot, you are so stupid it's impossible to take anything you say seriously. Side: No.
I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with. I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Your mental state has not changed youβre just as vicious and deranged as ever , fuckers like you when confronted with a challenge blame everyone but themselves and typically your wife and worst of all your kids become your verbal punchbag , I hope they left you to your whining self pity It was a horrible situation so it didn't take much convincing to get me to take the antidepressants. I was truly at wits end. Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. You obviously learned nothing as you still viciously attack everyone who disagrees with you .Youβre an angry child who never grew up Side: Yes.
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Say buddy how does it feel that you brutalised and bullied your own wife and kids? I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with.πππ I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. Your mental state has not changed youβre just as vicious and deranged as ever , fuckers like you when confronted with a challenge blame everyone but themselves and typically your wife and worst of all your kids become your verbal punchbag , I hope they left you to your whining self pity It was a horrible situation so it didn't take much convincing to get me to take the antidepressants. I was truly at wits end. Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. You obviously learned nothing as you still viciously attack everyone who disagrees with you .Youβre an angry child who never grew up Thatβs what you get for trying to con your boss buddy π€π€π€π€π€π€ Side: Yes.
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was in a mess, the stress was incredible and because I was under so much stress I was terrible to live with. I had the kids to think of, they didn't need a maniac for a father and my wife didn't need a lunatic living with her either. It was a horrible situation so it didn't take much convincing to get me to take the antidepressants. I was truly at wits end. Nobody knew then how hard the drug would hit me. π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ But your mother is dead and your wife and kids left you and hate you as you abused them ππππ₯ππ₯π₯ Side: Yes.
You poor sick miserable bastard. You are really stuck in a rut. When you die you're going to make one super creepy miserable ghost. You're gonna be a pain in the ass forever. As miserable as you obviously are, you are truly an example of one who should be pitied rather than condemned. Side: Yes.
Iβm a poor sick miserable bastard. I think Iβm really stuck in a rut. You said it mate youβre on a site with 3 active members and two are you , the whole site is just advertising spam and this is your whole life you stupid cunt When you die you're going to make one super creepy miserable ghost. Ahhh yes of course an afterlife......... You're gonna be a pain in the ass forever. Your mother recieved plenty of them in her time 12 inches of tube steak up her eager ass ........yeeeeeehaaaaaa As miserable as you obviously are, you are truly an example of one who should be pitied rather than condemned. Great thanks for that now get back to answering your Alt account you sad fuck ......I may drop back in a month just to give you something to focus your fury on .....then again I may not see around dopey Side: No.
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When you die you're going to make one super creepy miserable ghost. Ah yes. Unfortunately your level of intellect only goes as high as repeating other people's sentences back to them. What a pity you are so stupid. π€£ππ€£ Then again, when your ma is a prozzy... ROFLMAO Side: Yes.
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now get back to answering your Alt account you sad fuck I think you should go back to hospital you boring little retard. Try telling the staff they are all the same person. I'm sure they will give you the medication you need to get better you insanely creepy little twat. Lol. ππππππ Side: Yes.
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Let's get real here Dermot. The reason you are so angry and full of hate is because your mother worked for years to get into a well-established brothel, but they rejected her and she spent her entire career as a 10 dollar streetwalker. You know it and I know it. π Side: Yes.
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