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As terrorist attacks keep increasing in America, Hillary says let more unvetted Muslims in
Can you imagine how weak the Democrat party has become when it has to do with protecting Americans from terrorists?
They scream when Trump says we need to stop any unvetted refugees, in terrorist regions, from coming into America, until we know what is going on!
What Trump is saying makes PERFECT COMMON SENSE! But Democrats see Muslims as future votes, and there priorities focus on elections rather than American lives.
So Democrats decieve as always, painting Trump as hating all Muslims, hating all Mexicans, etc. etc. etc.
The fools in the Democrat party are willing to say anything for purposes of elections. Hillary called 25% of voters as being DEPLORABE AND IRREDEEMABLE! Can you imagine the eletist arrogance to say that 50% of Trump supporters are DEPLORABLE AND IRREDEEMBLE?
The Democrat party has truly lost any credibility.
As usual, FromWithin is full of shit. All refugees must go through a very thorough vetting process. Don't take my word for it, learn about the process refuges have to go through from someone who actually works and deals with the issue, Scott Hicks, an immigration lawyer involved in the process.
"Most of my friends know I practice Immigration law. As such, I have worked with the refugee community for over two decades. This post is long, but if you want actual information about the process, keep reading.
I can not tell you how frustrating it is to see the misinformation and outright lies that are being perpetuated about the refugee process and the Syrian refugees. So, here is a bit of information from the real world of someone who actually works and deals with this issue.
The refugee screening process is multi-layered and is very difficult to get through. Most people languish in temporary camps for months to years while their story is evaluated and checked.
First, you do not get to choose what country you might be resettled into. If you already have family (legal) in a country, that makes it more likely that you will go there to be with family, but other than that it is random. So, you can not simply walk into a refugee camp, show a document, and say, I want to go to America. Instead, the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees) works with the local authorities to try to take care of basic needs. Once the person/family is registered to receive basic necessities, they can be processed for resettlement. Many people are not interested in resettlement as they hope to return to their country and are hoping that the turmoil they fled will be resolved soon. In fact, most refugees in refugee events never resettle to a third country. Those that do want to resettle have to go through an extensive process.
Resettlement in the U.S. is a long process and takes many steps. The Refugee Admissions Program is jointly administered by the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM) in the Department of State, the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and offices within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) within DHS conducts refugee interviews and determines individual eligibility for refugee status in the United States.
We evaluate refugees on a tiered system with three levels of priority.
First Priority are people who have suffered compelling persecution or for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by the U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).
Second priority are groups of “special concern” to the United States. The Department of State determines these groups, with input from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. At present, we prioritize certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.
Third priority are relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.
Before being allowed to come to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). Individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled (a legal term of art that would be a separate article). Just because one falls into the three priorities above does not guarantee admission to the United States.
The Immigration laws require that the individuals prove that they have a “well-founded fear,” (another legal term which would be a book.) This fear must be proved regardless of the person’s country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category. There are multiple interviews and people are challenged on discrepancies. I had a client who was not telling the truth on her age and the agency challenged her on it. Refugees are not simply admitted because they have a well founded fear. They still must show that they are not subject to exclusion under Section 212(a) of the INA. These grounds include serious health matters, moral or criminal matters, as well as security issues. In addition, they can be excluded for such things as polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, or previous deportations. Under some circumstances, the person may be eligible to have the ground waived.
At this point, a refugee can be conditionally accepted for resettlement. Then, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. If the refugee does have family in the U.S., efforts will be made to resettle close to that family.
Every person accepted as a refugee for planned admission to the United States is conditional upon passing a medical examination and passing all security checks. Frankly, there is more screening of refugees than ever happens to get on an airplane. Of course, yes, no system can be 100% foolproof. But if that is your standard, then you better shut down the entire airline industry, close the borders, and stop all international commerce and shipping. Every one of those has been the source of entry of people and are much easier ways to gain access to the U.S. Only upon passing all of these checks (which involve basically every agency of the government involved in terrorist identification) can the person actually be approved to travel.
Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country.
Once the VOLAG is notified of the travel plans, it must arrange for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination.
This process from start to finish averages 18 to 24 months, but I have seen it take years.
The reality is that about half of the refugees are children, another quarter are elderly. Almost all of the adults are either moms or couples coming with children. Each year the President, in consultation with Congress, determines the numerical ceiling for refugee admissions. For Fiscal Year (FY) 2016, the proposed ceiling is 85,000. We have been averaging about 70,000 a year for the last number of years. (Source: Refugee Processing Center)
Over one-third of all refugee arrivals (35.1 percent, or 24,579) in FY 2015 came from the Near East/South Asia—a region that includes Iraq, Iran, Bhutan, and Afghanistan.
Another third of all refugee arrivals (32.1 percent, or 22,472) in FY 2015 came from Africa.
Over a quarter of all refugee arrivals (26.4 percent, or 18,469) in FY 2015 came from East Asia — a region that includes China, Vietnam, and Indonesia. (Source: Refugee Processing Center)
Finally, the process in Europe is different. I would be much more concerned that terrorists are infiltrating the European system because they are not nearly so extensive and thorough in their process."
The weakness in your reasoning is that, despite all the background checks and profiling terrorists will infiltrate into the States along with the rest of the 'economic immigrants' and many more ''well vetted Muslims'' will be radicalized and become terrorists.
If someone injected you and your family with a serum containing cancer cells and tried to rationalize their act of recklessness by explaining that the solution was not entirely carcinogenic would you accept their explanation while lying on the operating theatre having a cancerous tumour removed from your brain?
It only takes one terrorist to cause death and destruction on a massive scale.
It's naive sanctimonious liberals such as you who have caused the immigrant/terrorist crisis in Europe and who are building the platform for the Muslim terrorists to increase their bloody Jihad on America.
Fools such as you are going to be responsible for the increased frequencies and severity of Muslim atrocities the United States, but will duck under the bed when the spaghetti really hits the fan.
Why do 'bleeding heart' idiots like you continue to peddle your misguided rhetoric even though it's nonsense has been proven wrong by the atrocities of the Muslim terrorists?
"despite all the background checks and profiling terrorists will infiltrate into the States along with the rest of the 'economic immigrants'"
Like Scott said, "no system can be 100% foolproof. But if that is your standard, then you better shut down the entire airline industry, close the borders, and stop all international commerce and shipping. Every one of those has been the source of entry of people and are much easier ways to gain access to the U.S."
I understand that there is some risk involved, but I'm willing to accept that risk if it means helping tens of thousands of people. I'm not so selfish that I think tens of thousands of people should suffer just so I can feel slightly safer. 92 people have died from Muslim terrorist attacks in the United States in the past 10 years. During that same time 220 people were killed by Cows. I guess we should ban all cows from the country, because they are more of a threat to our national security.
"and many more ''well vetted Muslims'' will be radicalized and become terrorists."
And what's going to make them want to become terrorists? It's demonizing all Muslims for the actions of a small minority of them. The radical Muslims probably watch videos of Republicans leaders and people like Trump, and think "These guys are doing an excellent job of making Muslims want to join us." I wouldn't be surprised if they used them as recruitment videos.
One of our greatest allies in defeating radical Muslims is peaceful Muslims. They are the ones who are more likely to convince the radical ones to change their ways. The radical Muslims aren't going to listen to non-Muslims. Republicans not only marginalize one of our greatest allies, but they also turn them against us, making the problem worse instead of better.
That's very courageous of you to accept the deadly risk which Muslims pose on behalf of millions of your fellow countrymen and women, as well as their children and unborn babies.
If no system can be perfect, ( nothing is perfect, we may strive for excellence but we'll never achieve perfection ) when people's lives are at stake then the only answer is to place a complete official ban on the intake of all Muslims until they can all be trusted.
I'm Irish and have lived all my life here including having to endure the truly horrendous carnage of 30 years of the so called troubles.
Some nations like to depict the Irish as not being terribly bright, and perhaps, to some extent they're correct, but all our murderous terrorists were Irish and we weren't sufficiently stupid to import them.
Being an American citizen is a privilege and has to be earned.
The onus is on the Muslims along with other immigrants, including the Irish and other Europeans to merge with American society and to work hard at earning the respect and trust of the peoples of their host nation.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
They left their shithole countries for a better life in America, but want to implant their superstitions and barbaric customs wherever they go.
That's the very customs which caused the repressive regimes from which they claim they are fleeing.
Muslims isolate themselves from the indigenous populations of the countries which have given them sanctuary and 'appropriate'' large tracts of the towns and cities where they practise and enforce their own laws, and then, as we see in France try to have the respective populations adopt their customs and practices.
One of many 1000s of incidences across Europe was when a French girl was beaten to a pulp on a French beach by Muslim women for wearing a bikini.
Those immigrants who resist the values and principles upon which the great American nation was founded should be deported and banned from entering America ever again.
Those who try to impose their religious and/or political dogma on their host nation through deadly insurrection should, upon conviction in a court of law be summarily executed.
"That's very courageous of you to accept the deadly risk which Muslims pose on behalf of millions of your fellow countrymen and women, as well as their children and unborn babies."
No more courageous than you accepting the deadly risk that cows pose.
"...when people's lives are at stake then the only answer is to place a complete official ban on the intake of all Muslims until they can all be trusted. I'm Irish and have lived all my life here including having to endure the truly horrendous carnage of 30 years of the so called troubles."
Then you must believe that all Christians and Republicans should be banned from the Country too, because they have also committed acts of terror. Being from Ireland, you of all people should know full well the violent acts performed by Christians, especially from your own denomination.
"Some nations like to depict the Irish as not being terribly bright, and perhaps, to some extent they're correct, but all our murderous terrorists were Irish and we weren't sufficiently stupid to import them."
But your terrorists have one thing in common, Christianity. So why don't you think all Christians should be banned from the country?
"Being an American citizen is a privilege and has to be earned."
For the vast majority of Americans nothing was done to earn their citizenship, they just happened to be born here.
"They left their shithole countries for a better life in America, but want to implant their superstitions and barbaric customs wherever they go. That's the very customs which caused the repressive regimes from which they claim they are fleeing."
Again, the same can be said about Christianity. One of the reasons the founding fathers of America left Europe and founded the United States was to escape the endless strife caused by religious denominations fighting each other.
George Washington, one of the founding fathers of this country, said, "Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." - letter to Edward Newenham, 1792
James Madison, another founding father, said, "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."
"Those immigrants who resist the values and principles upon which the great American nation was founded should be deported and banned from entering America ever again."
I agree. If an immigrant doesn't abide by the laws, then they should be deported, but that's different than saying they should never even be given a chance to be a law abiding citizen.
"Those who try to impose their religious and/or political dogma on their host nation through deadly insurrection should, upon conviction in a court of law be summarily executed."
You have made the same juvenile analogy as most fools.
Christians did not commit acts of terrorism in the name of their God nor religion.
The jihad is a ''Holy War' directed against all infidels, ( all non Muslims) as opposed to the freedom of religious and political expression in the Christian democracies of the west.
As a counter-argument your comment about cows is, whilst laughable, meaningless and has no relevance in a serious debate as well as graphically illustrating you as some sort of mentally defective moron. Most people view domestic livestock without the irrational fear which you have. See a psychiatrist
Once again I must attempt to drum the fact into your thick skull that the religious denominations of the various paramilitary organizations in Ireland, and beyond, was entirely coincidental and played no part whatsoever in the their political ideology nor ultimate goals.
Of course you're absolutely correct on the point about the Northern Europeans fleeing both political and religious oppression in their home countries, and none more so than the Irish.
The big difference between the European immigrants and Muslims is that Christians pioneered the country and applied their trades and skills to contribute to establishing the United States as the greatest nation on earth.
They, along with other nationalities such as the Chinese built the railways and finalized their inventions like the Scotsman Alexander Graham Bell and his telephone.
None of these immigrants went to America with a psychotic hatred for it's ideals and it's people.
On the contrary, they went to America with the sole intention of working hard and establishing a better life for themselves and their families.
This they did and in the process enthusiastically embraced the American way of life and in the main became assets to their adopted country.
I assert that all American citizens, regardless of their ancestry must recognize their responsibility to strive to make America better and the requirement to continue to earn their ongoing citizenship.
All the freedoms and the American way of life is eroded each time a Muslim immigrant, or to make a more accurate description, a potential terrorist, is allowed into the country.
Don't take your freedom for granted.
Your arguments only highlight your ignorance about the world around you and beyond, so in this context may I suggest that you go and yodel up the canyon or engage in some other equally mindless pursuit more commensurate with your arrested intellect.
"Christians did not commit acts of terrorism in the name of their God nor religion."
That's bullshit and you know it.
"The jihad is a ''Holy War' directed against all infidels, ( all non Muslims) as opposed to the freedom of religious and political expression in the Christian democracies of the west."
Wait, you claim the Christian democracies of the west have "freedom of religious and political expression\" yet you argue that Muslims shouldn't have that freedom. Funny how religious freedom only applies to the religion that you happen to be a part of.
"As a counter-argument your comment about cows is, whilst laughable, meaningless and has no relevance in a serious debate as well as graphically illustrating you as some sort of mentally defective moron. Most people view domestic livestock without the irrational fear which you have. See a psychiatrist"
It is absolutely relevant to the debate. You claim that Muslims shouldn't be allowed into the country because they pose a threat, but you have no problem with cows being in the country even though they pose a greater threat. The fact that you think cows are nothing to fear illustrates my point, which you seem to have missed. My point is that your fear of Muslims is irrational. Cows are more dangerous than Muslims, yet you don't fear cows, but you think Muslims are so scary that they should be banned from the country.
"Once again I must attempt to drum the fact into your thick skull that the religious denominations of the various paramilitary organizations in Ireland, and beyond, was entirely coincidental and played no part whatsoever in the their political ideology nor ultimate goals."
So it's just a coincidence that two religious denominations have constantly fought each other, and that their religious beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict. http://i.imgur.com/7fJ59AQ.gif
"The big difference between the European immigrants and Muslims is that Christians pioneered the country and applied their trades and skills to contribute to establishing the United States as the greatest nation on earth."
They pioneered the country using slave labor, and a lot of those slaves were Muslim. The first large wave of non-enslaved Muslims didn't even reach America until 100 years after it was established, so I'm not exactly sure how you expected them to contribute when they weren't even there.
There are plenty of Muslims contributing to the country today. There are around 20,000 Muslim physicians. There are many Muslim charities, such as IRUSA, United Muslim Relief, and Helping Hand for Relief and Development, which was recently awarded the recognition of being among the top 10 Highly Rated Charities by Charity Navigator. Those charities help everyone, not just Muslims. There are thousands of Muslims serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. American Muslims are Well-Educated 67% vs. 44% of American Muslims have a Bachelor’s degree or higher. I could go on, but I'm not going to waste any more time because I doubt anything I say will change your mind.
"None of these immigrants went to America with a psychotic hatred for it's ideals and it's people."
If you think all Muslims have a psychotic hatred for America you're delusional. There are already 3.3 million Muslims living in the United States, but we don't see an epidemic of Muslim crime or terrorist activity by them.
"I assert that all American citizens, regardless of their ancestry must recognize their responsibility to strive to make America better and the requirement to continue to earn their ongoing citizenship."
I agree
"All the freedoms and the American way of life is eroded each time a Muslim immigrant, or to make a more accurate description, a potential terrorist, is allowed into the country."
Letting someone like you into the country erodes freedom and the American way of life. You want to end freedom by banning an entire religion. You want to violate the first amendment of the Constitution which states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
"..to make a more accurate description, a potential terrorist, is allowed into the country."
Allowing anyone into the country is allowing a potential terrorist. There are terrorists from many different religions. There are Protestant terrorists, so I guess you and all other Protestants should be banned from the Country too, right?
"Don't take your freedom for granted."
I don't, and I don't take other people's freedom for granted either, which is something you are doing.
Let me make this clear, I hate the Muslim religion. However, that doesn't mean I hate all Muslims. Just like Christianity and all other religions, Islam has many different denominations and beliefs, and just like Christianity I know there are good Christians and their are bad Christians; The same goes for Muslims. There are many interpretations of the Quran, just like there are many interpretations of the Bible, and just like no Christians follow all parts of the Bible, no Muslims follow all parts of the Quran. There are 1.7 billion Muslims (about 23.4% of the population) in the world, and only a tiny fraction of them are terrorists, so quit trying to paint all Muslims with the same brush.
I agree with Winklepickle for this one. Maybe you should consider his thoughts on this one. Because as shown here in your diarrhea post your thoughts are stuck in loserville!
The Muslim problem in Europe has reached crisis point with even Auntie Angela Merkel apologizing for getting it so wrong by permitting one million middle eastern immigrants into Germany during last year alone.
Too late was the cry.
Merkel's Party has suffered ''a bitter defeat'' at the recent Berlin elections. I wonder why, any ideas?
This arrogant fool has now recognized the deadly threat which Muslims represent, not only to the German Nation which she betrayed but to the whole of Europe.
Everyone, including the dog's in the streets knew the shit with these flea ridden beggars with their pots and pans would bring.
Everyone that is except the liberal European politicians led by the eye-watering fool Merkel.
The poor Germans will be clearing up her mess for generations to come.
The German jails are jammed solid with Muslim criminals having been found guilty of offenses ranging from gang rape to armed robbery.
Only the British have had the courage to defy the German Frau and break away from the Deutschland dominated single market of the E.U.
Yanks, take note of what has happened in Europe. If you do not, then you deserve to suffer the same fate.
If your only evidence is "open your eyes", then you are lacking a lot of legitimacy. If it was that obvious, it wouldn't be hard to provide a legitimate argument.
Again, if it is obvious then you shouldn't struggle to substantiate it. Not sure why you've struggled with that for so long, we've had this little conversation many times.
To me the issue is very SIMPLE and LOGICAL. To allow anyone into your country who clearly has beliefs and values that oppose or conflict with your country's values, beliefs, constitution etc., is preposterous. Sure, it might not make a difference when it's only a few hundred or a few thousand in a country of 330 million. But as in any other country, once the number of those increase to the hundreds of thousands to millions, you are now going to face a huge problem. A massive group of people who now live in your country are uprising against the very fabric of your country's constitution that they might even change it for to appease them.
It's not that one side is right or one side is wrong. I'm not saying that Americans are right and muslims are wrong or that muslims are right and american (non-muslims) are wrong. It's just a simple truth and logical fact that the more people there are of a particular belief or way of life, the greater the conflict will be as their numbers increase and power/influence in society increase.
Not sure why the so-called most brilliant people in the countries (gov't, politicians, etc) don't know this. It's my gift of logic. It's so simple. Not sure why people can't see it.
To dumb it down, try this experiment:
Orange Country loves oranges and everything about oranges. Avocados do not like oranges, do not like the way of oranges, but they want to enter your country for a better life. So, Orange Country decides to let Avocados in by the tens of thousands upwards to millions, fully knowing that Avocados will not adhere to any Orange way of life and orange values. Instead, Avocados follow their own set of rules and will honor those instead. What do you think will happen in Orange country once Avocados number in the millions? Tens of millions? 50%+ of the population? You think that Orange Country will be a peaceful place by that time? It's not hard to figure out the outcome.
