Did Jesus exist?
Do you think Jesus, the Jesus of the christian faith, existed?
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Well, the question in the title is did the guy ever exist, which he answered. The description however is Do you think Jesus, the Jesus of the christian faith, existed?, so his answer was not following that, but the Jesus he is talking about probably would be the one mentioned in the Bible, so he did answer properly.
Wether you believe his teachings or not, he existed. The idea that he came from just a bunch of myths is stupid, even from an atheist stand point. There is Roman evidence that he lived. Jesus existed undoubtedly, but the religious question is "Does he still exist?" I say yes.
I don't disagree, I have always said the Bible has been translated too many times for it to be 100% accurate, something always gets lost in translation add to that it was written hundreds of years after the death of Christ. Its like a game of Chinese Whispers that has been translated at the end, I've always said its an interesting read but more like a real life Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, it'll guide you through life but will probably give you as many questions as it will provide answers.
There's really no reason for or against it, is there?
Sure there's evidence, and lack of evidence, but really, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", right?
This is a very mundane claim. It's very likely there was a guy named Jesus or similar who wanted to change how things were done and he was killed for it.
As far as magic goes, that's silly, but the guy himself probably existed, and if he didn't, there's really no way to know and no really really good reason to not believe.
Probably, we know Socrates existed though we have no written down accounts of him, only from what Plato wrote of him. But Jesus was just that, a philosopher of ethics and morals. No son of God. But I would have thought he did exist, minus the miracles and coming back from the dead.
Did Socrates exist?
Despite the claims of the biblical accounts; walking on water, healing, turning water into bread and wine, ECT.
The question of this debate is asking: Did Jesus Exist?
I would like to point on how obvious it is that Jesus existed as a physical person.
Evidence? Let's not start with the bible.
There are many accounts of various scholars, historians, written accounts of people claiming that they have seen Jesus himself, have heard someone seeing and speaking to Jesus, and/or have "known" Jesus to have existed.
I care not to provide "links" as my "sources", these are well known facts; if you don't know how to research, then get off this debate site.
And SO, the issue that many people have with Jesus existing in general, is that he was claimed to have done already aforementioned things, which upsets people because they do not want to accept nor believe that a man can walk on water, turn water into bread and wine, heal people, ECT.
My question is, why? Why and how does it possibly bother a person that a man thousands of years ago, walked on water? What does a man walking on water do to you? Does it make you feel uncomfortable? Are you angry because that's "not possible"? Or how about Jesus apparently healing the blind? Why should a man apparently giving a born blind man, sight, bother you? If you were blind, wouldn't you want to have sight again?
My point is simple..
Socrates existed and we "know" this through mainly the workings (writings) of Plato, some from Aristotle and other philosophers.
The philosophies are of the "western philosophies" and are considered to be grounds for "ethos and morals" and an "overall insight to the world around us and how and why we interact with it", so-to-speak.
Jesus existed and we "know" this through mainly the workings (writings) of David, Moses, Paul, and about 40-X amount other people; Jesus taught morals, ethos, and generally, "overall insight to the world around us and how and why we interact with it", so-to-speak.
Obviously, there are many "books" that were written and were not part of the "bible" of today; there are many translations and variations of the same events, written differently via various languages and interpretations as years went on.
There are writings, not in the bible, that do account for the existence of Jesus, of the man himself.
And so finally to atheists and agnostics: Why bother trying to proclaim that Jesus never existed (when you know he did), and/or that the bible is false? What is your beef with it? Many of you atheists and agnostics seem to be bothered by the murder, rape, war ECT that is within the bible, and of life itself, so much that you seem to have raged war upon believers in general, due to the unfortunate aspects of life, and of the "bible".
There are records of a guy named Jesus, living in Nazareth, at the time. However, there is a pretty logical explanation. His mother Mary was part of a caravan. That means she was a slut. She got pregnant off of some random guy. The kid grew up to be a cult leader/ rip off artist, claiming to be "the son of god." Mary was down with that for her reputation so she went along with it.
I said he AS A PERSON existed. But he's not the Jesus of the Bible, which portrays it differently from how it is.
The debate is whether the Jesus OF THE BIBLE existed, and the answer is no he did not. The person the Bible calls Jesus isn't who he was. It's who you Christians want him to be.
It's the same answer as the Salem Witch Trials. Were any of them witches? No, obviously not. But did the people who believed in witches get an answer from it to explain the Black Death and other diseases? Even some murders? Yes. And it's better to have some answer than no answer at all.
So, technically what you're asking is correct but the question is the Jesus SPECIFICALLY OF THE BIBLE. He was not the Jesus of the Bible. That said, people want an answer to their depression or the meaning of life or whatever it may be. I think it's better to have a bad answer that science can't explain than to have no answer at all and have no solution right?
But if you want to put it in technical terms, Jesus existed. If you want to put it in literal terms, defining Jesus as "the son of god," he did not.
"There are records of a guy named Jesus, living in Nazareth, at the time" Tell me where you found the records. Because the best record of that statement is the bible not some nonsensical book written by a man. The bible even has records on the family line of Jesus and famous people in the bible. Look at the book of Chronicles