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Have you noticed how the Left's bleeding heart answers to problems only make it worse?
Whether it be national defense, welfare, retirement, sex, crime, etc. the Left's progressive answers to problems usually make it worse.
Look at what happened when a bleeding heart Liberal Obama experimented with his ideological transforming of America's national defense. As all good Liberals believe, if you are nice to other world leaders, they will appreciate your kindness and act accordingly. Obama started his presidency, going on an apology tour around the world, asking forgivenss for America's super power status and promised to be less involved with other nation's problems.
Did the Putin's and terrorists of the world appreciate his kinder gentler approach? No, they were salavating over his weakness and took full advanatge of it. Russia is now acting the super power, but rather than a power for good, they are forcing their communist ways on other nations.
Isis came out of nowhere becoming an unbelievable force for evil. This is what a kinder gentler America creates. Weakness is spit on by the evil in this world. Liberals refuse to understand how weakness leads to more conflicts and wars.
When it comes to charity, welfare, etc., Liberals simply deny the reality of how takng more and more money from one group to give to another group does not work! Democrats call themselves the compassionate party(I laugh every time I hear the party of aborton on demand call themseves the compassionate party). They believe if they rob peter to pay paul, paul will then be very thankful for the help. He will work really hard to get a job and pay back his debt to society! (LOLOLOLOLOL, again I laugh at the Left's naivety)
Decades of this bleeding heart mentality has proven one thing. Forcing other's to be charitible with our money creates BIGGER welfare roles and MORE people living in poverty. They might have been thankful 40 years ago but today they believe they are ENTITLED to other's money thanks to a Democrat party pushing that type of thinking.(all for buyng votes)
Back 50 years ago when Americans were a proud people and ashamed of taking charity from others, there were far fewer people needing assistence from Government. There were actually both parents at home the majority of the time and by just being there were setting an example of hard work, commitment and responsibility for their children. IT WORKS! Teaching responsibiloty WORKS!
Teaching people it is not their fault for the problems they have created and that they have a right to oher's money DOES NOT WORK! It only feeds on itself as more and more ask why are they working so hard just to see their money taken from them and given to drug addicts, unwed mothers popping out baby after baby while the Father takes a walk.
I could go on but you get the point. Bleeding heart mentality seems so good doesn't it. Welfare seemed like a good concept but as with all Government programs, it became bloated, became political, became a way to buy votes, and fed on itself. It became a lifestyle rather than a safety net and with every year we have young people demanding more from tax payers. Demanding free college, free healthcare, etc. etc.
Churches and family used to be our safety net for the truly needed, the disabled, those who can not work, the elderly, etc.
Government does not work when it comes to charity. It actually makes it worse.
Listen, I have relaxed for decades and am about as logical as they come. My family says I am too logical :)
I have lived what you have not. Do you know of the saying, young people start out as democrats until they get a job, start seeing all those taxes taken from their paycheck and then become Republicans. There is a lot of truth in that statement. Young people are indoctrinted by many Liberals in our schools. College is even worse.
So I've heard... Anyway, I know this is off topic, but 'Outlaw' is kind of like Mark Levin, he never will actually debate you, he'll just straw man your argument and ask "questions" until he feels he has won. Would you agree?
I have not debated Outlaw on too many occasions because I agree with Conservative views. If he was to start supporting more gun control, forced paying for abortions, executive order of amnesty for illegal immigrants(purely for their votes down the road), subsidising planned parenthood who sell Baby organs for profit, allowing Babies born alive after a botched late term abortion to die, race bate every event of white on black crime, but ignore the vast majority of Black on Black crime, etc. etc. etc........ THEN I would debate him and find out if what you say is true.
There are more than one way to see the world but yours is no completely accurate. When discussing national defense I agree that we should not appear weak, yet we should not be the world police. We should not as Bush did initiate military conflicts with an enemy that doesn't exist and spend trillions of tax payer dollars in foreign lands for NOTHING. A kinder gentler America is better for all but the 1% That profit heavily from the spoils of war. Bush, Haliburton, and other super rich corporations that tell the politicians (Dems and GOP) what they are going to do.
As for the charity that you speak of, you only know (or tell) part of the story. The amount of money that goes to actual lazy nonworking welfare collectors is less than the amount the Government gives to one oil company (another corporate welfare recipient) When conservatives discuss the number of people on the government dole it includes many people who should not be considered. people on social security who paid in their whole life yet are considered welfare recipients. I will say this my mother and father are currently part of those numbers and they worked hard their whole lives to raise us kids and never asked anything from the government just gave them a third of their income. Now they are on the government dole SSI and Medicare. Were I work many people make minimum wage yet can't survive and get food stamps (SNAP) they are working 40 hours a week and trying to take care of a family, They are giving the government at least 20% of their wages. I have no problem with my tax money helping them out it is much better than having my money go to some oil executive make 7 million a year. I guess we see things a little different.
You say the exact same rhetoric from every Liberal I've heard. First of all, corporations give just as much campaign money to democrats as they do Republicans. When Government gives oil companies subsidies, it is to get them to explore for more oil reserves so we are not as dependent on foreign oil. It is working as you see with all the oil and gas we are now finding in America. The money does not go to some oil executive making 7 million a year. GET REAL!
I would be fine with stopping all subsidies including those the Democrat party and other left leaning parties supports such as planned parenthood, that we find out sells baby organs for profit, as well as thousands of other subsidies to green energy companies such as solaris, etc., etc.
I never talk about retirees when I speak of welfare. They are not on welfare. They worked for that money!
Our retirement social security is going bankcrupt because the Left has turned it into yet one more social program giving the money to people who never paid into it. STOP THE BLEEDING HEART while our nation goes bankrupt.
When I talk about welfare dead beats, I'm talking about able bodied career dependents that never get forced off the dole. I'm talking about free cell phones, free birth control, free abortions, food stamp credit cards that can be traded for money to go to the casinos, buy alcohol, drugs, etc. QUIT BEING A SAP WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS.
I have a problem resdistributing one man's hard earned money just so some other person can have a better life. Better lives are earned through hard work! A safety net is what charity was suppose to be for, not a lifestyle.
A safety net means feeding hungry people and providing them with a shelter. I have absolutely no problems with safety nets. When you make it a lifestlye, people will never get off the dole. It's too much easier working part time and having others pay your bills.
I have no source other than my two eyes, word of mouth from people such as my WIFE who have worked in social service departments. My wife actually estimated that 80% of those applicants in our county going through her department were able bodied people who did not have jobs.
It is obviously different with each state and county but I know for a fact our county is bad. The majority of these people on welfare, that my wife dealt with, are not the sad soap stories of hard working people who just fell on hard times, with health issues, dissability, etc. etc.
They were often times people living irresponsible lives, getting pregnant numerous times with men who refuse to support their children, drug addicts, young adults who move away from their home and run down to social services for housing subsidies, food stamps, etc.
Many of them had a family home, did not want to live by the rues of the house, moved out and signed up for welfare. Tax payers should not be subsidising a person who has family that can help. If he refuses to follow the rules of his family, he gets no welfare. It's called accountability for one's actions. Accountabulity creates responsibility down the road.
Often times, the father would actually be living with the mother(without the knowledge of social services) while the mother collects welfare. He may be working under the table while tax payers support his girlfriend and him.
Don't believe all the exxagerations from the Left about how most welfare recipients are hard working people just trying to supplement their income.
The reasons nothing ever gets done to crack down on welfare recipients scamming the system is because these people are a voting block for Democrats. Every single time a Republican tries to clean up the fraud and waste, Democrats crucify them as hating the poor.
I have no source other than my two eyes, word of mouth from people such as my WIFE who have worked in social service departments. My wife actually estimated that 80% of those applicants in our county going through her department were able bodied people who did not have jobs.
Well the conservative wall street journal says that not a single state has such a high population of welfare recipients who are unemployed.
It is obviously different with each state and county but I know for a fact our county is bad. The majority of these people on welfare, that my wife dealt with, are not the sad soap stories of hard working people who just fell on hard times, with health issues, dissability, etc. etc.
So what all do you want done? A requirement for them to have or at least be able to prove that they are actively trying to get a job? I would definitely support that.
Many of them had a family home, did not want to live by the rues of the house, moved out and signed up for welfare. Tax payers should not be subsidising a person who has family that can help.
What if the family refuses to help?
Don't believe all the exxagerations from the Left about how most welfare recipients are hard working people just trying to supplement their income.
I don't, but you shouldn't believe all the exaggerations from the right about how most welfare recipients are low life moochers. I say just let the statistics speak for themselves.
The reasons nothing ever gets done to crack down on welfare recipients scamming the system is because these people are a voting block for Democrats. Every single time a Republican tries to clean up the fraud and waste, Democrats crucify them as hating the poor.
Do you have any examples of specific ways in which the Republicans tried to clean up the fraud and waste?
Many times the GOP has merely tried to cut the rate of growth of social programs(a growth rate much higher than inflation), only to have Democrats crucify them as hating the poor. I have lved long enough to have seen it all.
To answer your question of what Republicans have done to clean up the fraud? Not much when Conservaitves never get elected in sufficient numbers to make a difference. RINO republicans who get elected over conservatives most of the time do little to stop the madness from Democrat pandering to low income for their votes.
Many times the GOP has merely tried to cut the rate of growth of social programs(a growth rate much higher than inflation), only to have Democrats crucify them as hating the poor. I have lved long enough to have seen it all.
But you said that the Republicans tried to fix the corruption and fraud, not merely prevent the growth of the social programs. So how have they tried to fix it, as opposed to simply try to prevent anything from happening?
To answer your question of what Republicans have done to clean up the fraud? Not much when Conservaitves never get elected in sufficient numbers to make a difference. RINO republicans who get elected over conservatives most of the time do little to stop the madness from Democrat pandering to low income for their votes.
So what defines a RINO to you? Do you really think the overwhelming majority of Republicans aren't Conservative? Or are you saying they aren't Conservative enough? And if it really is the majority, how can you say that they are the ones who are Republican In Name Only?
What defines a RINO? You know one when you see them do nothing against all the big spending Democrats who get their way on every budget extension and increasing the debt limits. How many times must we see the Democrats blame the GOP whenever they try to stop the madness of debt spending and shut down the Government. When the GOP shut down the Government, they were crucified by the Liberal media and Democrats as if the world were coming to an end. have you noticed since then they play patsies to big spending Democrats and do nothinjg.
We need Conservtives who will take a stand and tell it like it is to the American people when they shut down the government.
What defines a RINO? You know one when you see them do nothing against all the big spending Democrats who get their way on every budget extension and increasing the debt limits.
But most Republicans do things that they believe constitutes fighting against Democratic spending. Luckily most realize that preventing debt ceiling limits is actually legitimate damaging to our country as countless economists have pointed out (including conservative ones), however.
How many times must we see the Democrats blame the GOP whenever they try to stop the madness of debt spending and shut down the Government.
I'm guessing as many times as the Republicans try (or succeed) in shutting it down.
When the GOP shut down the Government, they were crucified by the Liberal media and Democrats as if the world were coming to an end. have you noticed since then they play patsies to big spending Democrats and do nothinjg.
They overplayed their hand. It was terrible politics and it really damaged their public perception.
We need Conservtives who will take a stand and tell it like it is to the American people when they shut down the government.
And what do you want them to do specifically? I don't mean statements like "take a stand" or "tell it like it is", I mean what specific policies would you have them enact?
Specifics? CUT SPENDING ACROSS THE BOARD. Not one program left out and in that way the politicians will have an excuse when they cut their consituent's favorite programs.
It's the only way we can cut our debt because both sides will have to cut their favorite programs. It's the only way they will ever be able to compromise and still explain it to their voters.
That's specific and people like you will probbly say NO! They will say how can you cut every program and hence why our debt is 18 trillion and people like you ask what can be done.
Specifics? CUT SPENDING ACROSS THE BOARD. Not one program left out and in that way the politicians will have an excuse when they cut their consituent's favorite programs.
By how much?
That's specific and people like you will probbly say NO! They will say how can you cut every program and hence why our debt is 18 trillion and people like you ask what can be done.
You don't know me, so please refrain from trying to tell me what I think.
This is why the Republican Party is failing at their public outreach. If you are going to decry the Democratic party, you need to be able to provide specific answers as to what you would do instead.
To complain about what one side is doing, then say your answers "will be the details hammered out" just makes it look like you are complaining without offering solutions.
I don't agree with able bodied people living on the system just as you don't but what I am saying is that they are tiny part of the government spending. You make it seem as if I believe that Democrats are somehow more honest than other politicians. The truth is that I feel that both parties are equally corrupt. It is why they give billions to big oil, pharma, banking and other companies which are multi-million dollar companies.
Both parties are corrupt and is why I would only vote for Conservatives(who never get a chance with enough numbers to make a difference) when possible because conservatives believe in smaller Government..... hence smaller corruption.
Try voting just once for CONSERVATIVE Republicans with a majority to make this nation great again. We have never had that in my life time. If they don't fix our debt and jobs, I will try an independent.
Conservtives get crucified by the Liberl media and never get a majority voice in our Congress or whitehouse.
Try voting just once for CONSERVATIVE Republicans with a majority to make this nation great again.
I'd rather not, as I am not happy with what they have done when they had the majority. Mind you I don't vote for anyone at this point.
We have never had that in my life time
Which session of Congress do you believe was "actually" held by Conservative Republicans?
Conservtives get crucified by the Liberl media and never get a majority voice in our Congress or whitehouse.
Are you referring to what you consider to be Conservatives? Because Republicans, who most people say are Conservatives, get majorities fairly often despite the media.
You are claiming the conservatives are for smaller government yet it was Bush/Cheney that created the TSA, NSA, Dept of Homeland security. They increased the size of government by a huge amount and took away much of our privacy with the "Patriot Act". Conservatives may say that they are for smaller government but the truth is that they are equal to the Democrats in all ways. Self serving lying corrupt politicians.
IN NO WAY was Bush a Conservative. Remember when he called himsellf a compassionate Conservative? That's code word for mindless big spender.
There has not been a Conservative President since Reagan & I would not even call him that big a Conservative.
Conservatives have never had control of the whitehouse and congress. I'm not talking republicans. I'm talking Conservatives who usually get about 10% of the primary votes.
I do the same thing confusing them but I do truly believe the Democrat party has been taken over by Liberals where the GOP has been ten over by moderate Republicans.
We need a change in both parties. The GOP needs to become more conservative and the Democrat party needs to become more moderate.
This Progressive path we are on is destroying this nation and what it always stood for.
I think politics would be better with not less than 10 popular political parties or none at all because the current two party system just polarizes politics. Neither side wants middle ground they just want it their way
Except past policies of the parties do not show that to be true. Our political parties came up with institutions like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. Both parties have drifted to the right in every aspect except social politics, which they definitely have drifted to the left on.
There is no one group other than maybe the Tea party that represents conservatism.(this is why the Left so crucified the Tea party for merely speaking out on behalf of responsibility). I don't even know if they have a plank that describes their positions so I can't say I agree with them on everything.
To me Conservatism means having a balanced budget amendment that holds our politicans responsible when it comes to spending the people's money. It means overhauling our tax code, making Government smaller, allowing freedoms to states to decide for themselves controversial issues such as Gay marriage, healthcare, etc. Bringing back freedom of religious expression in public places, stopping the war on law abiding gun owners, standing up for the right of life for unborn Babies(unless life of mother, etc.), NEVER forcing tax payers to fund abortion, never forcing Americans to buy the Government's version of healthcare but rather allow us to buy private plans where we get to choose what is covered under the plan such as catastrophic plans with high deductibles and low premiums, etc.(it is so arrogant for the Left to force all people to pay for things such as abortion, birth control, mental, etc.)
Conservatives believe in the simple tried and true philosophy of accountability for one's actions and choices. We believe our Government should use the same common sense logic as parents when raising their children. When a child refuses to do his chores, does the parents say ok, here's your allowance anyways? If a parent did that, what lessons would that teach a child? It would teach him there are no consequences for one's choices in life and therefore.... if it feels good do it. The no fault America.
This is how our Government runs our social programs... NO ACCOUNTABILITY! Democrats scream when conservatives even mention testing welfare recipients for illegal drug use. No fault! Democrats want amnesty for illegal immigrants and to also allow them free college and free obamacare... NO FAULT!
If a woman on welfare keeps getting pregnant with loser men who walk way form their children each time... NO FAULT!
If a young adult walks aways from home because he does not like the rules, he can get on welfare... NO FAULT!
Basically Conservatives believe in the traditional America where the mention of moral values were not dirty words. Where fathers were forced to support any child they conceived. Where there was no such thing as no fault divorce making it so easy for parents to walk away from their responsibilties to their children.
I could go on and on, but basically conservatism is built around traditional values, the values derived from our Christian heritage, our Constitution, smaller government, more freedom to the people. We don't want moral laws but rather a simple dialog on the moral values our nation once tried to live up to.
I disagree on a few counts. One, what you are describing has never encompassed any form of Conservatism, be it American or Traditional. Two, I have seen no evidence that the majority of Americans were once Conservatives. Do you have evidence of that? And three, I definitely disagree that it is "just plain simple common sense wisdom". In fact, I find that when people feel the need to call their beliefs that, it is generally because they aren't able to justify and defend said beliefs. So why don't we not pat ourselves on our backs for our ideologies and simply defend them?
I have the simple intelligence to look at history and what has happened to America since the Progressive movement took off 50 years ago. It's people like you who actually deny the obvious becuse you are conditioned to think only one way, the Left's way.
Everyone with an honest bone in their body who lived durng those times, know that traditional America worked for our children, worked for creating good paying jobs, worked for kids staying in schools with better grades, worked for the majority of marriages, the majority of parents not just living together without committments to their family. The majority of kids actually had a mother nd father at home. GO FIGURE! People had a hard work ethic, they had pride in hard work and were ashamed of taking charity. They had a greater faith in God and actually tried to live up to those moral values derived from our Christian heritage.
I lived it! Did you? I know of what I speak. Do you?
So it's quite strange how you just joined this site a few days ago but you debate almost exactly like people I have banned. So who are your alias names?
