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Debate Score:49
Arguments:46
Total Votes:55
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Is the Christian Right wrong for denouncing homosexuality?

No

Side Score: 24
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Yes

Side Score: 25
2 points

Is it wrong for denouncing pedophilia and incest? Is it wrong to suggest that sexual affairs should remain between a couple and them only and shouldn't be ruled over by other authorities.

I dislike homosexuality, but I'm not going to take a stand against homosexuals. I just believe that such a practices is wrong and if two people of the same sex decide to go their own way, then there is nothing I can do to stop them.

Side: No
1 point

no the gays shouldnt be gay? or they go to hell? Sure they have fun running around doing other dudes having parades being gay dancing and listening to madonna but in the end, they burn in hell as they should.

Side: No
Cynical(1943) Disputed
1 point

Wow... By god, you're more evil than That Guy With the Glasses. Since when?

Side: Yes
RandomDude(1286) Disputed Banned
1 point

i dont know wat youre talking about-----------------------------

Side: No
1 point

Christians (Whoever that title seems to belong) can do whatever they want, BUT those who are following Christ must do what HE said to do in order to be followers. What does Se say? HE, Jesus, said, "They will know that you are my followers by your LOVE." Keep reading, there is more.

God said, that you could be as righteous as you wanted to be, you could know all the truths that could be know, BUT if you do not have love, then you have NOTHING! IF your motive is not really LOVE, then you need to take a good look at you Who you are following! Keep reading - read one more paragraph

So then, why would any true follower of Christ say that we all need to try to do things God's perfect way? Why would true followers hate sin so much (NOT the sinner, or you'd hate the hell out of yourself, if you could get it all out :-)? Why would followers of Christ even care about those who do not do things God's perfect way?? Why object to someone elses rejecting God's plan?? LOVE! Because sin (sin =not doing true good. God is true Good! Sin is doing something other than what God wants.) causes suffering. If sin causes suffering, then if I loved you, I would not want you to suffer/sin. If you denounce homosexuality, gossip, lust, sex outside of marriage, lying, stealing, envy, etc. and you are denouncing it because of thoughts like:, "Oh my goodness, that is just so wrong. How could they?? I am so glad that I am not that bad! I hope God judges THEM. They are evil: . ." Yyou get the idea, then they should shut-up, go look in the mirror - God's perfect mirror - , fall on their self-righteous faces and repent. (side note: Those who judge because of those thoughts should NOT call themselves Follower of Jesus Christ! They'd be better to try to hide under a more vague name like "Christian." Maybe you can justify yourself under that title, but if you define "Christian" to mean: "One who follows and obeys Jesus Christ of Nazareth" then you are gonna have to change your title.

Love SHOULD be the reason why followers of Christ don't want anyone to sin. Sin's effects SUCK therefore homosexuality sucks- no pun intended :-) But sin just has this nasty "gotcha." It never ends up good; IF you think it does, then you are not at the end. . . yet! The effects of ALL sin sucks! But some sins' effects suck more. Some effects are very entangling, very hard to see, and very hard from which to escape. So when you love someone, you don't want any suffering, but you really don't want hard-to-escape-from suffering or suffering that effects cause others to get entrapped and suffer.

Now, I have done quite a bit of sinning, so lest you think I am saying that sin is cannot be fun, enjoyable, and sometimes a heck of great time, let me correct that notion. If sin were not enjoyable, in at least some sense, then why would anyone do it? Sin has to have some reward, or we would not be fighting it off so often; we wouldn't be tempted!

The enjoyable part of sin is also the same part that makes sin so deceitful, so evil. It can sometimes seem to good, then it ends up so bad. The other despicable thing about sin, is that the "gotcha" can be very delayed - for generations, but that's not all, sometimes the "gotcha" happens to someone other than the sinnER. The innocent, even the next generation can reap the consequences of sin. AND the longer it takes for the "gotcha" the more devastating and harsher that consequence becomes. The dad who goes out getting drunk every night, whores around, and spends his money selfishly, my honestly love his life. If God didn't give us at least some conscience or bad consequences to our sin, we'd all live that kind of life. BUT if you want a good chance to see a messed up kid, who conceives a few more messed up kids of his own, which then go on t hurt all sorts of other people, then just keep a close watch on that 1st dad's offspring. Evil does beget evil, even if it take a few generations to do so.

Sexual sins spread like wildfire. They can burn up everything before the one lighting the match even notices the heat. UHG, I hate it. It is so enticing, so inviting, so hard to see why God would warn us to stay FAR away from it, and it is so destructive. If you want to investigate some of its effects, listen to those who have, by God's grace, felt the "heat" the effects of their sexual sins and have fought to escape them. Not many, can feel the effect, but by God's grace, some feel it before the effects can grow. They are the ones who call that "heat"/pain/ suffering the effects of it to be "God's Grace." They realize that without the suffering of its effects, they would have stayed longer just causing themselves OR others to suffer much worse effects. If I were God, I would command everyone to STAY AWAY from sexual sins; they have very nasty effects!! If I were God, I would write Proverbs 5.

God hates sin. Now I see, at least in part, why He HATES it, and I am learning to hate it too. Sin destroys, it deceives, it strikes at the innocent, it tortures the weak, it separates us from truth, it takes true happiness away, it causes such darkness, such confusion, such wickedness, such utter evil. God is right; sin is BAD.

If I were God, no matter how many people rejected Me and My rescuer plan - (what My Son did at Calvary), - or tried to push me out of their lives, I'd make sure that there would still be some light, some way to find Me. If I were God, I would want my love to keep pursuing them. When they shut Me out, I would still keep talking, even if they were not yet listening. I would keep holding out My hand to them. I would always make sure that My message was their world, on their radios, on their TVs, in their computers. If I were God, even if their sin causes so much darkness and so much separation that they could not hear my Spirit, I would keep sending people, MANY people (I'd name some Billy, some John, some I would give huge publicity, some would quietly work in the background doing great things to shine My light). If I were God, I would make sure there was someone to keep fighting to let me back in - into the children's schools, into the libraries, into the parks, into the places where they needed My wisdom, like governments. If I were God, would have a special way that anyone could find Me, at least well enough to take My gift/ my offer to spend eternity in peace with Me. I would give everyone that special "weapon" that could pierce the darkness, then I would send My Spirit right into their thoughts. I would to force everyone to at least think about using their special way to talk to me. At least once, I would actually force their minds to think about using that special way to reach Me. The "special way" would be something no one could every steal or completely destroy. I would call that special way/weapon against darkness, : FAITH. Faith would be able to pierce through the darkness that sin caused. Prayer would be a way to talk to Me.

If I were God, I'd want to write Proverbs 5 and it would say, " LISTEN, My children! PAY ATTENTION to My wisdom; listen carefully to My wise counsel. 2 Then you will show discernment, and you will speak about what you’ve learned. 3 For the lips of an immoral woman are as sweet as honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil. 4 But in the end she is as bitter as poison! Her sin is as dangerous as a double-edged sword. 5 Her feet go down to disaster, hell; her steps lead straight to the grave. 6 For she cares nothing about the path to life. She staggers down a crooked trail and does not realize it. 7 So now, my sons, listen to me. NEVER stray from what I am about to say: 8 Stay away from her!! Don’t go near the door of her sinful house! 9 If you do, you will lose much!

Side: No
1 point

'Christianity' is a religion like all other religions.

And I believe, that all the religions are there in our society, to make peace.

We feel peaceful and relaxed, when we sit inside a Church, under it's Silence.

Our Hypertensions, anxieties, depressions and angers are oozed away for a while, when we feel the silence inside any Holy Place.

But in 'Extremity' in the religion, is definitely not correct.

During Italian Renaissance. scientists like Galileo and had face Roman Inquisition, by the order of Pope.

One of Galileo's friend and follower, was burned by the Church, because he proposed new theory about the Universe.

Galileo himself had to remain in a house arrest, due to Church's order and was banned from publishing and distributing his work.

So I think, any Religion should be there to spread Love and Peace, not 'Extremism.'

So there is nothing wrong if a man loves another man, or a woman loves another woman. It is afterall a form of love.

And crimes happen due to Homosexuality also. There are cases where a man has raped another man, or a woman has raped another woman, just to satisfy their sexual urges.

But, then it become the issue of 'rape' in general (without considering any gender) and not 'Homosexuality'.

And 'Homosexuality' is only not limited to 'Sex'. People have a paranoid misconception that 'Homosexual' are ugly and diseased because they keep having only 'Sex' and cannot do anything else.

'Sex' in-fact, is a part of 'Homosexuality' , like it is of any other relationship. It is not the 'Heart' of 'Homosexuality'.

And excessive 'Sex' is a personal choice, which is also a choice for any 'heterosexual' couple.

Side: No
1 point

Jesus sounds pretty confused to me...Proof: Mark 14:51

A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him,

New Living Translation (2007)

One young man following behind was clothed only in a long linen shirt. When the mob tried to grab him,

English Standard Version (2001)

And a young man followed him, with nothing but a linen cloth about his body. And they seized him,

New American Standard Bible (1995)

A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

International Standard Version (2008)

A certain young man, who was wearing nothing but a linen sheet, was following Jesus. When the men grabbed him,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (2010)

And one young man had come after him and was clothed with a cloth. He was naked, and they seized him.

GOD'S WORD Translation (1995)

A certain young man was following Jesus. He had nothing on but a linen sheet. They tried to arrest him,

King James 2000 Bible (2003)

And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

American King James Version

And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

American Standard Version

And a certain young man followed with him, having a linen cloth cast about him, over his naked body : and they lay hold on him;

Douay-Rheims Bible

And a certain young man followed him, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and they laid hold on him.

Darby Bible Translation

And a certain young man followed him with a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men seize him;

English Revised Version

And a certain young man followed with him, having a linen cloth cast about him, over his naked body: and they lay hold on him;

Webster's Bible Translation

And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him.

Weymouth New Testament

One youth indeed did follow Him, wearing only a linen cloth round his bare body. Of him they laid hold,

World English Bible

A certain young man followed him, having a linen cloth thrown around himself, over his naked body. The young men grabbed him,

Young's Literal Translation

and a certain young man was following him, having put a linen cloth about his naked body, and the young men lay hold on him,

Side: No
4 points

I suppose I had to say yes, but a yes, with a but... As a christian, I do believe it is wrong, but ALSO as a christian, I KNOW it is not my right to judge anyone on their lifestyle. I dont treat them any differently than I treat anyone else. If I am respected, I give that same respect back.

Side: Yes
2 points

Honestly, I think everyone should just mind their own damn business.

Side: Yes
1 point

The title is poorly worded, but I assume it would be something like this: Is it the Christian right to denounce homosexuality? or Is the Christian right to denounce homosexuality wrong?

The answer would be the former would be fuck no. You have no right to believe homosexuals are evil or inferior. Asshole...

The answer to the latter would be fuck yes, for the reasons explained above.

Side: Yes
Srom(12120) Clarified
1 point

I don't care if the title is poorly worded just deal with it.

Side: No
Cynical(1943) Disputed
1 point

Srom, if you are going to reply to my arguments, reply to the actual content of the argument. My god.

Side: No
Facadeon(508) Clarified
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This is MasterKage's Argument:

The title is poorly worded, but I assume it would be something like this: Is it the Christian right to denounce homosexuality? or Is the Christian right to denounce homosexuality wrong?

The answer would be the former would be fuck no. You have no right to believe homosexuals are evil or inferior. Asshole...

The answer to the latter would be fuck yes, for the reasons explained above.

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This is the part you read: The title is poorly worded

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Notice that there are other words that come after it.

Side: No

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Side: Yes
1 point

God did denounce Gays in the old testament but Christians when confronted with the shockingly bad treatment and genocide of this always say ahh but we follow the teachings of Christ in the New Testament, on this basis they are wrong to denounce Homosexuals. Popular to popular belief Christ did not say anything negative about Gays this whole Gay hating Crap is based on the book of Paul which was mistranslated. The Book Of Paul was written in Greek and he used the Greek word for Unmanly, when it was translated this was taken for meaning Homosexual but the Greeks had a different word for Homosexual which was not used so these decades of Christian Homophobia have all been based on a mistake.

Side: Yes

I believe so. Even though homosexuals sin for not accepting the way they were born, I believe it is still immoral for them to be denounced they are still human beings. Everyone is entitled to enjoy God`s creation therefore it is unacceptable for one to deny a person of that enjoyment just because of their beliefs. If they are happy and be good people that benefit the world then they deserve happiness. Treating them as scum is wrong, even for Christian context, so it is quite unreasonable for them to denounce homosexuals. It is not for them to judge but God himself.

Side: Yes

I'm Christian, but I agree that it's wrong .

Side: Yes
1 point

I don't really know which one to go with here so i'll go with yes as in saying that this belief in christianity is wrong and makes no sense. We are taught not to judge anyone at all about their personality but yet we are told that it is wrong to be homosexual. We still don't have the right to judge but god does? Just because someone is gay they have to go to hell? I don't see anything wrong with being gay. I am a christian but this is the one subject of my religion that I don't believe.

Side: Yes
1 point

They need to think about how it damages families, and influences people.

Side: Yes

Christians should act like Christians and not condemn others.

Side: Yes