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SPOTLIGHT SERIES - Srom1883
This is the Fourteenth in an ongoing series of spotlight debates. The purpose of the debate is to "roast" the user (and when I say "roast", I mean in a nice way). Please share all the good, humorous, and otherwise positive aspects about this important user of our community. Don't worry, I will be creating one of these every few days so your name may show up next!
Srom's funny, I get a good laugh from the plagiarism and general naivety, although I sense, sometimes, an air of frustration in him like he's battling with his beliefs.
Seems like a good kid overall, and does not deserve the treatment that a few have given him.
Perhaps I can enlist your rational and third party objectivity, here. Srom seems to feel I'm abusing him with my criticism on this debate, giving him treatment he doesn't deserve, as you put it, but I feel I'm just pointing out the facts. Your thoughts?
I don't think what you said was abusing him, I was referring to those that set up debates simply to put him down, like the petition to get him kicked off, or those that set off on a torrent of abuse for no apparent reason.
In debates srom courts a lot of the controversy that befalls him.
In this debate I didn't see anything that you said that wasn't true and I wouldn't class it as abuse.
Even though he seems batshit crazy, he's one of the people I enjoy most on here.
Although I'm harsh as heck, I do enjoy his presence here, in the long term. He adds flair to the site and simply has a strong, albeit crazy personality. It gives the entire website as a whole a flavor and personality.
Really? You comeback just to argue with me? Fun. :D
I know I forgive you and I am sorry if I offended you at some points and yes I often sir the whole place around because of what I say but I think I need to improve on somethings like debating better.
Srom seems like a nice person, who tries to live his understanding of a good life and help those within it. We may fundamentally disagree on certain things, but that doesn't stop me respecting certain aspects of him. The fact that he has tolerated so much bullshit, without becoming overly hateful towards those who are, quite frankly, dicks to him, makes me respect him even more.
He does still maintain the stance that those who don't agree with him will suffer in hell for all of eternity, and as for the nice person part, I don't think that pretending to accept someone's opposing beliefs or opinions with that grudging "But you'll burn for it" sigh is the same as actually being nice. He does not yell or swear or insult others often, but I do not see anything nice about pretending you are a kind, accepting person when in reality, you feel that anyone who disagrees with you will be tortured by his god after they die.
I do not see anything nice about pretending you are a kind, accepting person when in reality, you feel that anyone who disagrees with you will be tortured by his god after they die.
This is, in my opinion the greatest central contradiction of Christianity.
Srom1883 is young, who is a Christian, and there is nothing wrong with believing in a set of principles. Although he maybe misguided at times, he means no harm.
Srom is one of the users that comes to mind first when I think of active users. I personally like Srom, he's amusing, and naive, but he's young. And he stands by his beliefs no matter what people throw at him.
I'm still not happy about him plagiarizing though. I was disappointed, and I don't believe that the other accounts he claims he knows these people aren't him. But like I said, he is young and naive. And if nothing else, he brings a good laugh to CD.
I like Srom, he's a Christian which he gets a lot of flak for, he's been accused of having fake accounts which he denies but if he does I dont really care about that but he sticks it out and keeps coming back which says a lot for his powers of perserverance,
Srom is dishonest, misguided, and cowardly. His actions on the site are deserving of neither respect or attention. I see him as that lunatic preacher on the side of the street that you just drive past without giving notice.
Your suppose to say something roast me in nice way and that wasn't nice.
It was rather insulting what you just said made feel like I am unwelcome here and you just want me to leave. Thanks a lot dude you really helped a lot.
I would like to welcomed not unwelcome. Thanks for putting my hopes down.
It was rather insulting what you just said made feel like I am unwelcome
You get back what you put in.
Seriously, you're acting like you've done nothing to deserve any of this frank, open, and true criticism. You ARE dishonest, and if people pointing out your dishonesty makes you feel unwelcome, maybe you should stop being dishonest instead of whining about how people are pointing out your flaws.
I seem to recall you denying accusations of plagiarism when people were posting the site you plagiarized off of on the debate where you were denying it. Hows that for dishonest? I'm surprised you don't remember.
Yes, actually, you do deserve all the negativity on here, because you have been a negative person.
And, quite frankly, you're already getting a lot more respect than you deserve. Personally, I don't hand out respect to those who have not earned it, and loony liars who tell me I'm going to burn in hell for my beliefs do not deserve my respect.
I seem to recall you denying accusations of plagiarism when people were posting the site you plagiarized off of on the debate where you were denying it. Hows that for dishonest? I'm surprised you don't remember.
I actually did admit that I plagiarized but you didn't really see that I admitted it or you just didn't care.
I am more of a positive person than a negative person I don't swear, I don't insult people on her like some people do I am kind.
After you denied the accusation several times, yes, you eventually caved in to overwhelming evidence. Would you disagree that lying about it in the first place, as you did, is dishonest?
Telling people they will burn for eternity is kind?
I didn't say you were going to go to hell I was only repeating what Jesus said to the non-believers so I am using Jesus's words so I didn't say it first it was Jesus.
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a][b] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
-Matthew 5:22
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What this means is actually quite the opposite. It's quite wise, really, in saying that if you are telling others they will go to hell, if you somehow know what comes after death, and you speak of it and judge who will go there, and call them blind fools, or whatever, then it is YOU who is going to burn forever.
Er, or something. Perhaps it only means exactly what it says.
But otherwise, I don't think Jesus ever really speaks of hell much at all.
That link here will show you each time "hell" is spoken of in the bible.
It isn't much, I don't think, so your assumption that all who don't believe what you do will go to hell appears to be quite wrong.
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Now, if you want to improve as a debater, you can read over the list, and change your opinions, or you can be stubborn and believe what you believe no matter what evidence is given to you.
I guess I will choose what I believe in still but I will be doing things differently and taking the evidence and reading the links or the videos you provide.
Are you searching for the truth, or are you already confident you know the truth, despite your inability to allow others to know?
Yes, Christianity is VERY VERY popular, but that doesn't mean it's the truth.
It only means it's popular. If you want the truth, then that means accepting evidence! Evidence is amazing stuff. From catching criminals to making amazing discoveries, evidence is the stuff of dreams.
You gotta respect it, or you'll look like a fool when you end up not knowing what's right from left or wrong.
I am confident I know the truth because Jesus said that He was way the Truth and the Light and He also said the Truth can set you free.
I know its popular and I have evidence that Jesus was alive and the things He did to impact this world of ours and Jesus is still doing things even today. I have seen evidence that against God and I have disproved most of the websites and found certain things that I didn't really know it.
Their is no other belief that can take demons out, heal the sick, and or can interpret prophecies from God.
God has done so much for this world and I have realized it but I think you don't realize it or simply just ignore it.
Would you believe me if I said I was the son of god?
What if I actually WAS the son of god, reborn? How could you know? Why would you believe me? What if I said my mother was a virgin? Or that I had died and come back?
You haven't met me, so you can't really know for sure, but if you have faith that I am telling the truth, then perhaps I should be your new god.
Just as with Jesus, if you have faith, then worship him.
I do not think Jesus was a god, so I will not worship him.
Perhaps he said he was, perhaps he made it look like he rose people from the dead, perhaps he even got let free from crucifixion, I mean, if you read it, it sounds like Pilate REALLY didn't think Jesus should die. It's possible they worked out a deal that would make Jesus appear to die, then come back.
But you weren't there, and neither was I.
Your evidence is fantastical and not very realistic, but for me, at least, there is no reason to think that Jesus was anything but a man.
Jesus is certainly famous, but I see doctors healing sick with modern medicine, I see demons being cured with psychological therapy and drugs, I see the future when I think about what we could do with current technology. We could make a beautiful world with our own hands. No more war or starvation. It's possible to give everyone a chance at life.
But no, magical prophecies fail far too often.
They are too vague, or simply self fulfilled.
God has done nothing, and if your god does exist, then is he responsible for the suffering of children who starve to death?
Is that the doing of your god, the same god you say will send me for hell, simply for not getting on my knees and begging him to spare my miserable, sinful life?
That's bullshit and I don't know why you can't see it. It's insane to believe this stuff, and even if it WAS true, it's so incredibly wicked and evil that I could never accept it.
I am not afraid of what happens when I die because I know where I am going and its heaven.
Yes you and I weren't there but other people were there and they eye witnessed it and recorded it down what He was doing. If you can't trust that then you must not trust all of the other recorded things like court case documents because people eye-witnessed some of the crimes people committed.
Yes Jesus is famous but I have seen people take out demons, heal the sick, see the future with God's prophecies. I have seen it.
What is dark and murky is yet to be explored. But assume nothing.
Those people who have died... why are they alive? Why do they come back so soon after dying?
You do not see people walking out of the ground, carrying out a casket, do you?
You see people near death who hallucinate strange lights and feelings. You really think that the dead can come back, and prove that they went to heaven? I suppose if you believe it, then it's fine.
I dunno. It's up to you I guess. It's just sad that you're so superstitious.
Eye witnesses often mess up details and other things. And that stuff is usually memories from a few days ago.
You think you can trust eye witness stuff from two thousand years ago?
You know what I saw yesterday? I saw a man walking. He lifted his arms and birds shot out of his hands. It wasn't a magician, it was a god of some sort. Who else can create life? Or perhaps he was walking past a tree and yawned, and that startled the birds out of the tree and to my view, it looked like the birds rose up from his hands. Or maybe he was a magician after all, and it was just a cool effect.
The truth cannot be known, and until a god descends, to claim you know what is after death is a lie. A very dangerous lie.
Can you really feel guiltless after telling people you know what comes after death?
How much fear must you have of death if you require a magical afterlife to give you immortality?
Yes you and I weren't there but other people were there and they eye witnessed it and recorded it down what He was doing. If you can't trust that then you must not trust all of the other recorded things like court case documents because people eye-witnessed some of the crimes people committed.
Well, most of the time in court cases, people don't witness virgin births, people being resurrected and levitating into the sky, men pulling apart oceans and walking on the sea floor, transforming water into wine, or loading every species on earth into a boat half the size of a modern day cruise ship.
So it would be reasonable (assuming their testimony fits the evidence) to believe in eye witnesses in court cases so long as their stories aren't batshit crazy like a lot of the bible stories are.
Well, most of the time in court cases, people don't witness virgin births, people being resurrected and levitating into the sky, men pulling apart oceans and walking on the sea floor, transforming water into wine, or loading every species on earth into a boat half the size of a modern day cruise ship.
You didn't get what I said. I said if you don't believe in eyewitnesses from the Bible then you shouldn't for court case files as well because they eyewitnesses things as well.
But I guess you don't believe in those types of things happening even if the person saw it.
You didn't get what I said. I said if you don't believe in eyewitnesses from the Bible then you shouldn't for court case files as well because they eyewitnesses things as well.
We need to be highly skeptical of all far fetched claims that are based solely on eye witnesses. An eye witness saying "I saw a man pull apart the ocean and walk across the sea floor to the other side" is a lot crazier and less likely than someone saying "I saw John Doe steal some jewelry!". Everyone has witnessed someone steal something. Not a single man on earth has witnessed another man pull the oceans apart with his bare hands (or his staff) and then proceed to walk across to the other side.
What was proven true? What did you see that was irrefutably God's work?
The evidence that and the amount of people who saw Jesus perform those miracles and rise from the grave which was more than 500+ people who saw Jesus. That is irrefutable.
It doesn't matter if a million people witnessed it and wrote it down in their diaries, that is not irrefutable proof. It's more likely that a million people lied than to believe that a single man was resurrected and levitated into the sky.
We witness people lying pretty much every day. But not a single person on earth has witnessed a man levitate into the sky, much less after being killed.
Nothing he, or anyone else for that matter (including me), says has any affect on me so I am unable to rise to the level of emotional response others have reached ;)
Srom has always been at the forefront of the Christian community on CD. I find it greatly reassuring that there are other Christians on this site and it pleases me to see him in so many religious debates.
We're supposed to keep this roast "nice," so I'll stick to the facts: he's a bigot, a liar, and a loon. He's a bigot as defined by MW: "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices," he's a liar because he, well, lies, and even when his lies are shown to be lies he sticks to them, and he's a loon because he believes - scratch that - knows a whole lot of very interesting things about the reality we live in, although none of them are actually based in this reality.
I feel that to enjoy the presence of someone like this on CD would be akin to being a bully. I really get no pleasure from Sroms existence on this site other than the satisfaction I get soundly refuting him, which, in and of itself, is about as challenging and as honorable as stealing candy from a baby.
Your suppose to roast me in a nice way what you said about me being a liar and a loon was not nice and I don't know why your being so negative. What you just said means that I am not welcomed here and I should just leave.
I want to be welcomed here now you just lowered my view on this site and I would like to feel welcomed and not unwelcome.
I knew people like you are going to say negative things about me.
Actually a roast isn't necessarily something that is praising someone. It's just putting them up on stage to talk about them essentially. It's supposed to be comedic, which these have mostly been.
What he just said to me felt really insulting. I feel like many people think I don't deserve to be here and I want to feel welcomed and not unwelcomed.
I'll agree with you that they are negative things, but are they untrue? Seems to me unless you're not a liar, for example, calling you a liar isn't an insult so much as a fact. I'm not telling you to go or stay, I'm just observing some things I've noticed about you. If those things are negative, well, the truth's a bitch, but perhaps you are a negative person.
This is a "roast" and your suppose to say something in a positive way but no you ignore that and start posting stuff that has nothing to do with the roast.
You pretty much tell me with your words just before that I am unwelcome and what must I do to feel welcome here?
A roast is by definition a medium for pointing out someone's flaws albeit through poking fun at them.
what you said about me being a liar and a loon was not nice and I don't know why your being so negative.
You need to grow a pair mate, this is debate, if you don't like or agree counter with something.
What you just said means that I am not welcomed here and I should just leave.
I don't get that from his post.
I want to be welcomed here now you just lowered my view on this site and I would like to feel welcomed and not unwelcome.
There are more that are indifferent to your presence than want you gone, I can never understand why anyone would want a member to leave, it's one less voice and that is not good in discourse.
I knew people like you are going to say negative things about me.
He's ignorant and stubborn. I do enjoy 'debating' him, contary of what he may think otherwise. Although, I wish he spend some time analyzing his Christian beliefs, rather than just blindly following them. Not to say he should convert to some other religion (or agnosticism/atheism).
Thanks for all of your words you said. :D I actually have analyzed my beliefs and no I don't follow blindly follow them if you saw me in real life you would know right away I was a Christians and by my actions.
Also me converting to atheism or agnosticism is not going to happen. I am sorry but I am for God and not against him.
I actually would choose both because Jesus said that the truth can set you free and so He said that in the first place and the everyone else copied what Jesus said and He also said that I am the way, the Truth and the Light.
If there are no gods, can you accept that? If you found out that everything you believed wasn't true, would you accept the cold, hard truth, or would you deny it no matter what?
Is it just fear?
If your god is not real, what will you do about it?
It's not? So, as you being a scientific master, claim that mankind has not believed in any particular god since man has been around on this earth? Hah! Please...
I don't think anyone would claim that mankind has never believed in gods. It is a fact that people have believed in gods for a few thousand years. That does not mean we have a piece of DNA that encourages belief in a god. Humans seek to understand the world in which we live in.
No I wouldn't accept that because I know that my God is real and has laid evidence for us to have.
Christianity hasn't been disproved, no one in the world has disproved it, if they did then it would have been on TV, magazines, and everywhere but no, nobody has been able to.
No I am not afraid. I have faith He is real.
I know my God is real because of the evidence He laid down for us and its covers enough evidence for us.
You think people DON'T want people to not believe in religion?
Do you know how much money religion makes people?
Do you know how many politicians LOVE having a religious population?
Truth is not profitable. Science isn't very profitable either.
But religion helps keep people like you in control.
You have passion, and as long as your passion is in pointless things like believing that you are evil, and require forgiveness from a god to be given immortality, the desire all people have, they have control over you.
You think the Bible hasn't been edited? Why is the Book of Judas missing?
Why did they remove it? What did it reveal that the people in power didn't want you to see or know about?
How can you trust these things after all that religion has done?
The Earth orbits the sun bro.
It's the truth, but the church doesn't like truth much.
As long as the church has control, they will continue to tell you that it's true.
It will lie and believe each lie it tells. The Bible is a prison for you, to keep you enslaved.
The reason why atheists don't accept the evidence is because they don't think the Bible is a reliable source or they think eyewitnesses aren't evidence because they could be wrong.
The Bible isn't reliable because most events in the Bible are illogical or impossible, and because if I accepted impossible events in books as true, I would have to convert to every religion that claims to be truth.
Seems like a great guy. Don't particularly care for his religious beliefs, but he doesn't go setting fire to foreign embassies when I tell him that now does he?
Either that...or he's the most skilled troll on teh interwebzz.
Is that avatar one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse? I always thought that would make a cool video game, like God of War III or whatever number their on.
Srom's less insane than when he first showed up. He might be a less cerebrally gifted Jake J one day.
Yes the avatar is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse and its based off a game called Darksiders which is like God of War and Zelda mixed that's what a lot of people say. They even made Darksiders 2 and the main character is Death and he looks cool.
Dang, why do I always turn up to these things late? Not that I had anything meaningful to say, but still.
Srom's really nice, definitely more so than when I first joined. And while he may be illogical, stupid, and naive, don't blame him, blame the people that indoctrinated him into it.
