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I ain't waitin' any longer! As long as it takes
Debate Score:45
Arguments:36
Total Votes:57
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So? How Long Should We Wait for Jesus to Come Back?

I ain't waitin' any longer!

Side Score: 22
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As long as it takes

Side Score: 23

I, for one, am getting awfully impatient. It seems like he wants us to wait till the end of the world, for Christ's sake!

Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!
3 points

Agreed! I'm tired of waiting too!? I'm all like.. "hey? What the hell Jesus, I ain't gettin' any younger... are you coming for me or not?"

And then there's nothing? FU Jesus!

Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!
2 points

3 years.

I can wait that long.

Just need to get my dick wet a bit more till then.

Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!

Haven't you guys heard, Jesus has already returned, about 50 times....

How come you believe Jesus was telling the truth and not these guys? They have almost all performed eye witness verified miracles, healed the sick etc etc.

Supporting Evidence: List of people claiming to be Jesus (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!
2 points

I think it will be a little while, but I have not studied enough theology and bible to reall guage when his return might be.

Side: As long as it takes
1 point

Well, it's been a couple thousand years now and I ain't gettin' any younger...

Side: As long as it takes
2 points

Well we don't know the day or the hour when Jesus comes back but Jesus did say there was signs that was going to happen before he comes back and most of them already happened. Now all we have to do is just wait for us Christians to get raptured.

Side: As long as it takes
Hellno(17753) Clarified
2 points

Oh! I can't wait! Wheeeeeeeeee!!!

Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!
Srom(12206) Clarified
2 points

You can't wait for what His returning? I am surprised an atheist like you can't wait for Jesus to come back.

Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!
Srom(12206) Clarified
2 points

You can't wait for what His returning? I am surprised an atheist like you can't wait for Jesus to come back.

Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!

Well, I think we will be waiting for a LOOONNNGGG TIME, not sure if ever.

Side: As long as it takes
1 point

Those who believe in Jesus are willing to wait, those who do not are not.

Side: As long as it takes
1 point

Because this world having been made in six days, it is believed that it will last only six thousand years.

- Jerome

The six mystic days of creation are intended to signify the six thousand years of the world's duration.

- Father G. Rossi

Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that six thousand years must be fulfilled.

- Hippolytus

We shall be immortal when six thousand years are accomplished

- Commodianus

We expect...that truly holy day...shall come after those six days, or six thousand years of time,

- Gaudentius

In six thousand years, all things shall be accomplished.

- Barnabas

The world is to exist six thousand years.

- Babylonian Talmud

The world was ordained to endure, as all learned men affirm, six thousand years.

- Latimer

The world endures six thousand years.

- Eliyahu

It appears that [for Earth] to complete...such synchronisms there will be required six thousands of years.

- Bardesan

The world must continue in its present state through six ages, that is, six thousand years.

- Lactantius

This world...will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.

- Irenaeus

In six thousand years the Creator will bring all things to an End.

- Epistle of Barnabas

Six thousand years shall the world exist, and one thousand, the seventh, it shall be desolate,

- Rabbi Kattina

The world is to exist six thousand years.

- Tanna Eliyyahu

These things did Bardesan thus compute when desiring to show that this world would stand only six thousands of years.

- Philip

It is a common belief that the world will last six thousand years.

- Jerome

This world shall last only about six thousand years, because such is the common opinion and expectation of humanity.

- Father G. Rossi

The works of the creation...according to a tradition which was attributed to the prophet Elijah, was fixed to six thousand years.

- Edward Gibbon

Side: As long as it takes
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
1 point

Because this world having been made in six days, it is believed that it will last only six thousand years.

Well then Jesus either came a few billion years ago or he is a few billion years late.

Side: I ain't waitin' any longer!
1 point

It's worth noting that this is the interpretation that was held by the Church Fathers. Paul in particular is shown to be quite enthusiastic towards the return of his Christ Jesus in 1 Thessalonians (Estimated to have been written in the 50s).

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord."- 1 Thess. 4:16-17.

We get a similar sentiment in the next chapter.

"For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord [a]will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “ Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober... For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing."- Thess. 5:2-11. Paul is encouraging the flock to be watchful; after all, God is like a thief in the night, and will arrive any day now!

The Gospel writers, particularly the original author of Mark, seem to have had similar sentiments. Observe:

And Jesus was saying to them, “ Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”- Mark 8:39-9:1.

"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."- Mark 13:30.

For reference, a [generation] usually meant approximately 40 years.

What exactly is Mark referring to here? Well, what was Jesus just talking about?

"“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven."- Mark 13:24-26.

And just to ram the point home?

"Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door."- Mark 13:29.

The fact remains that the Church believed in an immediate apocalypse: if Jesus existed whether or not he actually preached this is unclear; given the climate at the time and the tendency of those like him, he probably did. But that's irrelevant, because it's what Paul and the other earliest Church writers (You can find similar sentiments in Matthew and Luke) believed.

You can argue that what Jesus was predicting DID happen via Preterism, but to argue for his glorious return, the Rapture (which was completely made up of whole cloth; it can't be found anywhere in the Bible), et al is likely is a rather... naive attitude, given what the texts actually state.

Supporting Evidence: Source for Biblical quotations (All NSAB) (www.biblegateway.com)
Side: As long as it takes
1 point

Ignoring the date of whether Christ really existed or not, there was no mention of when Jesus would return in the bible. What makes you any different from the people who have been waiting for the last however many millennia? If Christ was to appear on Earth it may not be in my lifetime, or even my great grandchilds lifetime. It's called a 'faith' for a reason.

Side: As long as it takes
1 point

You really don't have much choice here. God will come when it is the right time. He does give us certain clue as to when such as Matthew 24.

Side: As long as it takes
0 points

I totally trust him... he'll be right back. There's probably a shit ton of paperwork he has to file with his dad first.

Side: As long as it takes
1 point

He'll need a reclining chair and a visit to Tesco for the stationery required.

Side: As long as it takes