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Socialism is about absolute power for the ruling class

 

But I'm blind

Side Score: 12
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Dangle that carrot

Side Score: 4

You're appaulin' me

with your policy

of dishonesty,

Bronto's probably

on at least

three different narcotics, he

constantly

tries to cause a scene,

and make a mockery

of Nom but he's

not the one quoting fascists un-ironically

but here's a newsflash you rotten piece

of shit, when fascists are trying to get in office they

tend to lie a lot, you see?

they say their fighting for the working class, fighting for democracy

they co-opt the speech

of a leftist, then do the opposite, so stop it, geez

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Side: But I'm blind
2 points

Hi, I'm Brontoraptor. Welcome to my incredible world of opposites. Let me begin with a few choice quotes from my political hero, Benito Mussolini.

Side: Dangle that carrot
1 point

I'm pretty certain you'll be avoiding the plethera of leftist Mussolini quotes like the plague.

Side: But I'm blind
2 points

A condition of absolute power to the ruling class would be fascism. (see Mussolini)

In fact to suggest that socialism is anything made up of or about the power of the ruling class...is a non sequitur.

Side: Dangle that carrot
ArchonElite(335) Clarified
1 point

A condition of absolute power to the ruling class would be fascism. (see Mussolini)

Bronto cannot be reasoned with, he believes Mussolini was a communist.

Side: But I'm blind
2 points

Mussolini literally said he was a Communist and condemned Capitalism.

Benito Mussolini-

It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman… [Marx] had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet.

As quoted in Talks with Mussolini , Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933) p. 38. Interview between March 23 and April 4, 1932, at the Palazzo di Venezia in Rome [1]

Benito Mussolini-

God does not exist—religion in science is an absurdity, in practice an immorality and in men a disease."

Benito Mussolini-

The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in theVal d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end.

As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), pp. 153-154, Interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932

Benito Mussolini-

Militarism! Here is the monstrous leech that is incessantly sucking the blood of the people and its best energy! Here is the target for our attacks! We must put an end to barbarism, proclaim that the army is now a highly organized school of crime and that it exists solely to protect bourgeois capital and profits. We must not be deterred from proclaiming ourselves international socialists. We recognize no borders and no flags, we hate all steel, every institution that exist to kill men, waste energy, strangle the advance of the workers.

As quoted in The Myth of the Nation and the Vision of Revolution, Jacob Talmon, University of California Press (1981) p. 487, Mussolini’s article, (April 11, 1909)

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/BenitoMussolini

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation… the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the Italian people… What does social justice mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes, it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. Nor is this enough. It means that the workers must enter more and more intimately into the productive process and share its necessary discipline… As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labour.

Four Speeches on the Corporate State, Rome, (1935) pp. 39-40. Speech delivered to the workers in Milan. Eric Jabbari, Pierre Laroque and the Welfare State in Postwar France, Oxford University Press, (2012) p. 46

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

Socialism is not Arcadian and peaceful. We do not believe in the sacredness of human life.

As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), p. 151, interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

When the war is over, in the world's social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth's riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers. The Fascist revolution will make another decisive step to shorten social distances.

Mussolini’s speech in Rome, Italy, February 23, 1941. Published in the New York Times, February 24, 1941.

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

We assert—and on the basis of the most recent socialist literature that you cannot deny—that the real history of capitalism is only now beginning, because capitalism is not just a system of oppression; it also represents a choice of value,…

As quoted in Mediterranean Fascism 1919-1945, edit., Charles F. Delzell, The MacMillian Press (1970) p. 23. Speech given on June 21, 1921 in Italy’s Chamber of Deputies.

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

To-day we can affirm that the capitalistic method of production is out of date. So is the doctrine of laissez-faire, the theoretical basis of capitalism… To-day we are taking a new and decisive step in the path of revolution. A revolution, in order to be great, must be a social revolution.

Speech on November 14, 1933 as quoted in Under the Axe of Fascism, Gaetano Salvemini, London, UK, Victor Gollancz Ltd. (1936) p. 131

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

We want an extraordinary heavy taxation, with a progressive character, on capital, that will represent an authentic partial expropriation of all wealth; seizures of all assets of religious congregations and suppression of all the ecclesiastic Episcopal revenues, in what constitutes an enormous deficit of the nation and a privilege for a minority; revisions of all contracts made by the war ministers and seizure of 85% of all war profits.

From Mussolini's Fasci Italiani di Combattimento (Italian Combat Fasci), Il Popolo d'Italia newspaper, June 6, 1919. Speech published in Revolutionary Fascism, by Erik Norling, Lisbon, Finis Mundi Press (2011) p. 92

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

The law of socialism is that of the desert: a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye. Socialism is a rude and bitter truth, which was born in the conflict of opposing forces and in violence. Socialism is war, and woe to those who are cowardly in war. They will be defeated.

As quoted in Il Duce: The Life and Work of Benito Mussolini, L. Kemechey, New York: NY, Richard R. Smith (1930) p. 56. Written just before taking editorship of the Italian Socialist Party newspaper Avanti in 1912.

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Side: But I'm blind
1 point

Benito Mussolini-

You want to know what fascism is like? It is like your New Deal!

As quoted by Mussolini inMr. New York: The Autobiography of Grover A. Whalen by Grover Aloysius Whalen, G.P. Putnam’s Sons (1955) p. 188.

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/BenitoMussolini

The New Deal produced a political realignment, making the Democratic Party the majority (as well as the party that held the White House for seven out of the nine presidential terms from 1933 to 1969) with its base in liberal ideas, the South, traditional Democrats, big city machines and the newly empowered labor unions and ethnic minorities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewDeal

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