CreateDebate


Debate Info

194
118
For Against
Debate Score:312
Arguments:85
Total Votes:389
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 For (54)
 
 Against (30)

Debate Creator

mrhansen(21) pic



War of 1812 Debate

Should the United States go to war against Great Britain in 1812?

For

Side Score: 194
VS.

Against

Side Score: 118
8 points

Factors to consider other than "moral justification:"

We were established on this huge continent; Britain wasn't. They already knew they could not subdue such a huge land mass from the 1770s-80s.

Britain was at war with France; we were not. That was an enormous force multiplier for us.

The White House was burned - so what? It was just another house fire.

Britain came out of the war with multiple humiliations at sea (and on Lake Erie).

The lasting impression of the war was the defeat of British troops at New Orleans....another black eye for British arms at the hands of backwoods provincials.

So who got the most benefit from the war? I would argue the US did, even though it was in the form of hemispheric reputation. By 1820, the major European powers were all gone from the Hemisphere, and the US never fought another war against Britain. The two countries grew slowly together as states whose strategic and economic interests coincided.

Side: For
6 points

It has come to my attention in the past months at sea that Britain has turned to seizing men in fleets much like my own, to forcibly enlist them in the Royal Navy so that they can serve the British Crown. Not only have these sea-weary rumors of abduction scared my men, but we have learned that we are no longer allowed to trade with France under a series of Orders in Council. In order for our booming American economy to continue to grow- and indeed be our own venture- we must stand ground against the British and tell them “no” to their violations of international law (1), and declare war so that our opportunities for trade are not hindered (2), so that Britain will learn their lesson and not insult the freedoms we have proved to be rightful as our own in the war for independence we won less than thirty years ago (3).

Side: For
6 points

I am a southerner who believes that 1.) The war of 1812, if successful, would be beneficial because it would completely drive out the British from our country limiting their interactions with the Indian tribes. 2.) The Canadian trade would be cut off from the British and their colonies could possibly be absorbed into the United States due to lack of options. 3.) Also i believe that it will strengthen our military making us a a country with a strong military power.

Side: For
FredRalist(1) Disputed
4 points

Point 1: We may push them out of the country but we will likely lose our trade opportunities with them.

Side: Against
6 points

As a wealthy merchant from New England most of my friends want to support England but as a merchant I am getting tired and angry at the British navy for capturing my men and merchant ships. Even though we are declared neutral i am getting fed up with all of my goods and products being taken by England. So if going to war will make England respect my rights to trade i will fight the British to regain my wealth!

Side: For
ThatOne_Guy(1) Disputed
3 points

The better option to fix your problems with the loss of ships would be to peacefully negotiate yours terms with the British to get your trade route back in order. As a fellow merchant I see no reason to start a war when there are peaceful means to get around it.

Side: Against
markwalhberg(3) Disputed
1 point

If we go to war with Britain you still would not be able to trade with them. War would make it so that we are not able to trade with them at all.

Side: Against
6 points

For decades the Native Americans have suffered under the Americans. 1. Battle by battle they steal our land and flow into our land as their exploding population looks for more farm land. 2. They crush any force we try to make to stand up for our land and traditions with their strong military. Our only way to stand up for our very existence on this land is to join forces with another enemy of the Americans, the British. While American's debate over whether to stand up for their rights by fighting Britain we are confronted with a clear decision that for our very existence we must go to war against the Americans for the British are our only protection from the invading Americans. Thus war is the only possibility to prevent more tragedies and indecencies against our people. To war we must go.

Side: For
4 points

I completely support this argument. It is necessary and right that we protect what we have worked so hard to gain/accomplish as a free and democratic nation. These actions may be small now, the acts of impressment but they are still uncalled for, and these actions could escalate into hurting our nation's people even more. It is necessary we go to war. To not do so would be as to work against our current progress we have made as a nation.

Side: For
6 points

As a plantation owner in the State of South Carolina for nearly 20 years, I have witnessed the positive and the negative aspects of what our country has endured. After the United States declared independence from Britain and after the American Revolution had ended, British soldiers and men are still preventing us Southerners and all U.S. citizens from living a "free" life. If we don't declare war on Britain soon, our hard-fought country will kill itself through lack of trade and a severe economic depression.

I believe that the United States should declare war on Britain as soon as possible. Jefferson's attempt to try and lure France and Britain into a compromise regarding the Orders of Council, ultimately failed with enactment of the Embargo Act in 1807. 1) Restricting trade with the whole world and then with only France and Britain after the Non-Intercourse Act was passed in 1809, was harming the American economy more than it was helping. I currently have mounds of extra cotton and tobacco that is being wasted because there is no one to trade with, which is causing me to lose money. In addition, the land that my neighbors and I farm on is not adequate for farming anymore due to excessive planting in one area. 2) Because Britain has an alliance with Indian tribes, it is very difficult to move westward and conquer their forces. Defeating Britain in the anticipated war would mean easier access to the land that we so desperately need.

Side: For
MrsMadison(3) Clarified
1 point

I am in full support of your third point. Westward expansion is crucial to the growth of the United States, and defeating the British forces is necessary for success in this journey. War will be the push to show Britain how the U.S. will succeed in what they want to do.

Side: For
1 point

This is entirely true. I don't believe that the Northern citizens do not understand the desperation that the South is going through. Many of us are in need of someone to trade with, and the Embargo Act is doing us more harm than good. When the supporters of the nonviolent approach say that we are going to lose revenue by becoming involved, not being involved is really the most expensive choice. We have already experienced this peril, and it is time for them (the New Englanders) to understand and unite with us in this necessary war.

Side: For
6 points

As the President of The United States I feel like it is my duty to declare us at war against Britain. The British are having their allied Native Americans attack our people near Canada. Overseas, the British are impressing our sailors and forcing them to fight against their own will. The British are enforcing rules that restrict our trade with the French and now the French are enforcing laws that restrict our trade with Britain. I feel like it is in our best interest for our people's safety to put a stop to these absurd actions.

Side: For
FredRalist(1) Disputed
1 point

We may have many issues with the British but if you declare this war the New England territory will take a huge hit, and you should not do that to our own country.

Side: Against
6 points

Being a Kentucky native, I Henry Clay have been exposed to the abhorrent effects of NOT being involved in the war. That is why I have formally decided to through my full support for the great country of America to give up our rudimentary attempt at peace and become involved in a fight for what we regard as American morals. Living in the West has further solidified my decision, for 1). the repugnant natives in this area are continually attacking us, as an alliance of the British, I might add. Their attacks in the western states of Kentucky and Tennessee and the territory of Indiana have greatly angered my fellow companions, for we as a country are just sitting it back and letting it happen.

To go along with my earlier point, 2).as the national debt continues to wear on our backs, these attacks just heighten our expenses. Because of these ceaseless encroachments by the natives that began with the British, we will tally upwards of ten million dollars yearly. Is this a price we want to pay for peace?

We are a new country, why should we not be able to utilize our newly found freedom? 3).By taking away trade with their disgraceful Orders in Council, the British are attempting to denounce our independence yet again. We cannot be deprived of our liberties just because Britain instructs us to. We fought for freedom once and we shall do so again, otherwise America will always remain the battered country that we just evolved out of. We can not again lose our independence without a properly showing Britain and France what our country has been able to achieve.

Side: For
SPOwner(6) Disputed
1 point

I agree with your first point; Northerners are more concerned about their profits and the Embargo versus the nation's overall well being. If our own native people are going above and beyond to hurt us, they should be put to an end.

Side: Against
6 points

America is one that has dedicated and prided itself in neutrality. We have been unjustly punished/victimized with uncalled actions from the British including rules such as (1) the orders in council and actions such as (2) impressment of so many so many of our sailors. These actions have not only interfered with our daily lives as Americans, resulting in unnecessary trips to Britain costing us more money and time and tearing apart families with the random disappearance of family members, but actions that have also made our goal to keep our current neutrality with foreign countries very difficult. It is right and just that we fight to preserve the order we have worked to hard to obtain. It is time the we stand up for ourselves as a country, take back our rights in anyway possible and then restore our former foreign status to neutrality among other foreign nations.

Side: For
5 points

The British have continued to cause us trouble, even after they recognized us an independent nation. 1. They have been stealing our ships and impressing our people, forcing them to fight for their own tyrannic purposes. 2. As a Southerner who lives off of trade and commerce, I am finding this outright action against our right to trade with other nations to be unfair. 3. The British have overstepped bounds when arming the Native Indians and they must pay for this injustice. These wrongs must be righted.

Side: For
JessicaSchmi(14) Disputed
5 points

If you are arguing the British have done us wrong with commercial warfare, hasn't France done the same? When Britain issued their Orders in Council, Napoleon ordered the seizure of all merchant ships, including American, that were to enter British ports. And obviously if you find this commercial inconvenience unfair, you must find the Embargo Acts absolutely infuriating correct? I remind you that the act cut off all exports from The United States, and potentially will reduce the whole country to a state of poverty.

Side: Against
5 points

As a simple southern farmer, I find it morally depressing that after winning the war for independence, there is still a British presence. A war is necessary for this country's well being. I the war is won, 1). The British will be removed along with their aid towards Indian affairs. 2). Adding Canada would enhance this nation politically, but allow for more trade. 3). It shall also an end to the impressment of American citizens and relieve the restrictions on trade, which has crippled the economy. Therefore war with Britain is the only means to get what we need to continue to strive as a country.

Side: For
JessicaSchmi(14) Disputed
4 points

If we do put a focus on the capture of Canada, a foreign possession perhaps of very little value to Britain, consequences are inevitable. While soldiers fight to wrestle Canada out of her grasp, damage that is sustained in other quarters will be devastating. Involving ourselves in a war with Britain will only hurt commerce, considering majority of our country's revenue comes from trading with Britain and her allies.

Side: Against
QuinlanBock(3) Disputed
4 points

Americans should remember that the British are a big part in the story of our existence, whether you like the British or not they will always have and will play an integral part in our history. By this it is foolish to be "morally depressed" about British presence because it is inevitable. This is shown by the embargo act, because it highlighted the fact that America is still infantile and is not self-sustaining. We need international trade, so to cut off our biggest trade partner by pursuing war seems backwards thinking. There is considerable odds against should be engage in war, we don't have near the forces that the British do, on land or on the sea. For these reasons it would be a grave mistake to wage war against odds on a country that we depend on for trade.

Side: Against
SPOwner(6) Disputed
1 point

I agree that Britain will always be a part of our country's foundation. However, it's time we stand up to Britain's bullying antics. If we become pushovers, they'll tread all over us and who we have become. I do agree that we need international trade, but not more than we need a backbone as a country.

Side: For
5 points

As President of the United States, I believe it is our duty to go to war with England for the following reasons: (1) British ships are in the habit of invading and violating the rights and peace of our coasts, (2) the British are in the process of arming hostile Indians and enlisting them to fight against our troops, and (3) the United States is prepared for war with the outstanding energy of the war hawks.

Side: For
2 points

As President Madison stated, British vessels have violated the peace and rights of America's trading ports and coasts and have shed American blood. It is the United States' duty to fight a war against Britain and reclaim what is rightfully ours. We declared independence and have the mentality to win this war.

Side: For
5 points

My name is James Madison and I believe that we should go to war against Britain. 1. The British have been raiding our ships and capturing our men out at sea. 2. Their ships hover around our ports and just harass the ships that we have entering and leaving the ports. 3. Britain is selling weapons to the savages in the west so they will attack us and try to gain our scalps.

Side: For
Joe-King(4) Disputed
4 points

Responding to your first point. The British even acknowledged that their actions at sea were wrong in character. Also to prevent this from happening in the future we do not need to declare war, we should simply grow as a nation. This would mean policing our coastlines and ports better, that way other nations respect our claim to sovereignty and respect us.

Side: Against
markwalhberg(3) Disputed
1 point

OK JAMES MADISON OR SHOULD I SAY ADOLF HITLER. I am a proud Bostonian, and you are right the British are being silly. But, how am I supposed to make my money if we don't trade with them yo.

Side: Against
5 points

I am a southern farmer on the frontier trying to make a living and to feed and clothe my family and I think that we the United States of America should start a war with England for 3 reasons 1) The British are arming the Indians on the frontier and are influencing them causing the Indians to attack my family and others throughout the frontier. 2) The English have issued the Orders in Council which is restricting our trade and is hurting our economy that is making it harder to afford the things that me and my family need to survive and if we fight a war with the British and defeat them then they will have to end the Orders in Council which will improve our economy and make it easier for me to support my family. 3) The English have violated our neutrality policy and if we let that stand then they will continue to violate our country’s will and if we let the British treat us in anyway they want then what was the point of fighting for our freedom in the first place, and then all of the lives that were lost and all of the sacrifices that were made in the hopes of obtaining this freedom were in vain.

Side: For
ThatOne_Guy(1) Disputed
4 points

To counter your #2 reason, if we as a country handle the blockade with diplomacy and delicately, then we would be able to peacefully disband their blocking of trade. The British navy is much too powerful and are 800 strong versus our 12 vessels that we call a naval force. We don't stand much chance in a sea battle and would only cause more English uproar and make domestic issues worse.

Side: Against
Joe-King(4) Disputed
3 points

I would like to say that the only way for there to be a violation of our neutrality policy, it would be done in part by us. By that I mean that we would have to openly declare war upon Great Britain. These issues with the British can still be reconciled through negotiations. I am not going to promote that we do so, since I support Washington's ideas of neutrality.

Side: Against
5 points

As a southern plantation owner, I think it is essential for America to go to war. We fought hard in the revolution to gain our own independence from Britain and it is now being compromised. 1) Britain is giving the Indians of this country weaponry to fight against us. With these resources, we are unable to move westward and expand our country. The Indians are being influenced to attack people in their own country. 2) As a farmer, I need to be able to export my crops to sell them and support my growing family. With the restricted trade to France and Britain, I have an abundance of crops to ship out, but they are going to waste by not exporting. We need to open all trade routes to boost this country's economy.

Side: For
5 points

My name is Evan Veres captain of the Black Pearl. Times are hard for people in my line of work due to the difficulties of the plague we call Britain. My sailors and I are ever wary of the threats Britain poses to our ship. Stories have been spreading about the dangers of trading in Europe and even on the coast here in America. As a man who survives off trade, these hostilities Britain has committed against us must be put to an end! To add to these problems, trade to France has also been cut off limiting trade even more. We must send a message by declaring war on Britain 1) to stop the blockade of trade and restart trade with all countries, 2) to prevent Britain from committing future hostilities against the United States, 3) and to stop the conversion on U.S. sailors into British soldiers.

Side: For
4 points

It has come to my attention in the past months at sea that Britain has turned to seizing men in fleets much like my own, to forcibly enlist them in the Royal Navy so that they can serve the British Crown. Not only have these sea-weary rumors of abduction scared my men, but we have learned that we are no longer allowed to trade with France under a series of Orders in Council. In order for our booming American economy to continue to grow- and indeed be our own venture- we must stand ground against the British and tell them “no” to their violations of international law (1), and declare war so that our opportunities for trade are not hindered (2), so that Britain will learn their lesson and not insult the freedoms we have proved to be rightful as our own in the war for independence we won less than thirty years ago (3).

Side: For
4 points

Closing: Britain cannot take away what we as the American people have rightfully earned- the freedom to govern ourselves, the freedom to pursue our own economic pursuits, and most importantly- our freedom to have the unending spirit that has upheld the roots of this nation for the past 200 years. Since these freedoms are being sacrificed, we must declare war on the British Crown to put an end to (for once and for all) their involvement in our American ventures.

Side: For
2 points

Closing: There are countless reasons why America has no other choice than to fight the war against Britain. The economy of the United States is suffering and we desperately need free access to the sea, open international trade, and access to Canada and land in the West. If the U.S. waits to act any longer, Britain will soon have too much power and trading control over America, and our independence will be lost. Thus, it is in the best interest of our country to pursue the awaited battle with Britain.

Side: For
1 point

Closing statement:

We will always be subservient to others if we don’t stand up for ourselves and rise above our individual desires of wealth and strong economics. As a group we must fight for our way of life so others can’t suppress our development as a people and society. There always exists a short term reason to not fight, whether that be money, trade, security, or wealth, we must rise above these selfish and short term reasons and protect our dignity as a people and fight for the preservation of our way of life.

Side: For
1 point

In conclusion, I am in full support of war with Britain. Something must be done to take away British existence in the states. Situations with the natives must be sorted through and an understanding with the British is necessary to our future growth and expansion as a country. There is an obvious choice being presented to engage in war.

Side: For
1 point

Closing Statement: Despite all of my fellow Americans' arguments about the war, I sincerely believe that involvement is the best choice. There is no way we would be able to achieve the things that our country has been striving for without becoming a major player in the War of 1812. In the end, not participating would leave us in greater debt than we are already in, and also would involve conflict either way. This would also make us seem like one of those nervous countries that doesn't have the innards to stand up for what we were created for. In response to this, I have formally decided to endorse fully in the War, and I suggest as many of you to do so as well.

Side: For
1 point

Closing statement

I believe that the wisest course of action for the U.S. would be to go to war with England because they are violating the terms of the treaty of Paris by keeping forts on U.S. soil and they are further endangering the lives of Americans by arming the Indians and convincing them to attack American settlements. They are also restricting trade going into Europe and thus are hurting our economy and they are taking our sailors and using impressment to force them to join the British navy which is highly immoral, illegal, and highly dangerous to our sailors.

Side: For
1 point

In conclusion, I do believe that going to war is completely necessary. We have created a strong enough federal government that has provided us with a better trained military, staying in/defeating the British in this war could actually help our stand point, that a strong federal government is necessary and much more effective and successful. It's not like we are doing these actions for no reason either, this is the perfect time because we are also gaining respect and winning back our freedoms yet again from Britain. To stand by and try to hide from the real situation is ridiculous and cowardly, we are able to stand up for what we see fit. It is time we practice this effectively and make our mark as a nation we are one that ought not to reckon with. If we do do that, we will obtain neutrality easily keeping both foreign fights away from us and upholding out no long term alliance treaties.

Side: For
1 point

In summary, the British have been stealing our ships, impressing our citizens, arming the enemy Indians, and cutting off our trade. These problems need to be fixed and if we go to war, then we could receive multiple benefits including a British-free North America and no more suppliers of weapons to dangerous Native Americans. Our trade may be damaged, but there are many other nations for us to exchange goods with. War may have consequences, but in some cases it is worth it.

Side: For
1 point

Closing: Britain is starting to compromise the independence we fought hard to win. They're restricting our trade, impressing our citizens, and convincing our Natives to fight against us. Do you really think that if we just let it happen, they would stop? Absolutely not. They wouldn't stop until they got control of us again. I think it's time to retaliate against them and stand up for ourselves.

Side: For
6 points

My name is Louise Hopkins, and my husband and I own a shipyard in New England. As a woman it is not my place to express my opinion in current politics, but my husband has been outraged by the new talk of war with Britain. His words are heated and I cannot help but put in my thoughts as well, we should not entangle ourselves in a war with Britain.

1. Conceive one logical benefit of the conquest of Canada, I cannot. While husbands and boys are off fighting, for a territory perhaps of very little value to Britain, are the losses we endure in other regions truly worth the capture and advantages of Canada? Yes, our rights on the ocean have been assailed, but doesn’t any country expect to experience inconveniences in commercial affairs? Essentially, there is no worth in fighting this War, especially with no guarantee of liberty on the seas, and creation of an enormous expense for the gain of territory with minimal value.

2. In the newspaper, I read a very compelling, factual column. Politicians call this a war for commerce, when in truth, American commerce is highly engaged with Britain and its allies. Of our American exports, and the 45 million dollars accounted for, Britain and her allies made up 39 million of that total. Now allow me to ask one last question, how are we to obtain our ‘commercial rights’, when we are at war with our main source of commerce? It makes little sense.

Side: Against
Southman(12) Disputed
4 points

New England's economy depends upon trade, yet it find it appears to not be critical to try and possess such a powerful trading route. Northern peoples have initiated a large illicit trade along the border of Canada, yet they believe that the Canadian trading route isn't important for the United States economy. We could cease Great Britain’s flow of goods into our country with New England’s support, and get rid of British control in that area.

Side: For
TheProphet(7) Disputed
3 points

This war is about much more than simple commerce and convenient trade. This war is about the preservation of a people and a way of life. Much like the revolutionary war, we both must rise and fight again for the preservation of our people and way of life against the overly ambitious encroaching nations on this earth. You bow to Britain and the proverbial hand that feeds you and lines your pocket and clearly show the country of your vested interest in another nations security and are boldly stating how unpatriotic you are for you support not your country but another countries interest. If you are patriotic at all you must support the war.

Side: For
6 points

Closing: Once again, this war is another trap to engage our country in entangling alliances. Britain and France are fighting their own war, and our recent commercial inconveniences have been a result, but cutting off trade with our main source of trade and revenue will not solve the inevitable. Nor will the repugnant Embargo Act, depriving citizens of their lawful right to engage in commerce. Partaking in this war will result in repercussions, with little to no gain for our republican cause.

Side: Against
6 points

Closing Statement: I believe that America needs the grow to do this we need to remember the wise words of Washington in his farewell address. We need trade, and the British are one of the largest trade partners we have, to jeopardize this trade inflow and outflow by engaging in war would be unwise, and it would violate the neutrality that we strive for. We also have no reason to believe that we would emerge victorious, due to our weak army and small navy. There are better ways to deal with the conflict of British ships attacking American ones than to wage war against odds that favor the British and risk and needed trade partner.

Side: Against
5 points

As a proud Bostonian I, Mark Wahlberg, think we should avoid war with Britain at all costs. They are one of our most important country to trade with. The embargo is hurting the economy of New England. It is hard for us New Englanders to get dat money if we can't trade with Britain. Enforcing the embargo is hurting New England.

Side: Against
5 points

Your argument touched me and I the same way, my fellow merchants and I are being hurt by all these things preventing trade.

Side: Against
MG34(5) Disputed
4 points

Britain is one of our most important trade assets but it would not be smart to base our decision for war directly on the factor of the trade benefits.

Side: For
TheProphet(7) Disputed
4 points

This war is about honor. Honor as a people, and honor as a nation. Don't let petty profits sway your desire from protecting and honoring your nation and way of life for that is near treason! I scoff at your treasonous position and your bad movies!!

Side: For
markwalhberg(3) Disputed
1 point

I find honor in how much profit I make. I love America , but I also love being wealthy. DID YOU SEE ME IN LONE SURVIVOR. THAT WAS A CLASSIC.

Side: Against
Str8G(2) Disputed
3 points

But the embargo is standing up for American lives! For years the British harrass our merchant ships stealing our goods, and imprisoning our sailors. Plus as a merchant i can't trade with anyone, if i try to trade with France the British ships will attack us or take over our ships and i lose all my goods. Therefore the war is good because it will make the British learn to respect American merchants and allow us to trade with who we want.

Side: For
QuinlanBock(3) Disputed
5 points

I think now is a good time to reassess in the interest of ourselves. I don't think it is disputable, the original indention of the on the embargo act was good, however, in retrospect the creation of this act was not a good idea because both Britain and France had no intention of giving in to the American conditions. Both of these european entities have grown more diverse in their trade and have other countries to support them. It is natural not to want to go back on an original decision, but we should because these European powers had the resources to stay independent form america, and neither of them are be willing to give more to a country that had already taken stakes of land form them.

Side: Against
Federalist1(8) Disputed
3 points

Yes, it is important that we remain on good terms with Britain for trading purposes but it is even more necessary that they know that we are a separate country from them, and that by the actions of the impressment and the Order of Councils, they are yet again enforcing unnecessary and uncalled for acts upon us. We have a strong government and a well set up military force to defend our nation, this is our time and chance to show that we are more than just a nation that can easily stand by and be used when needed by other foreign nations. It is right and just that we do get involved with war to uphold our identities of Americans.

Side: For
Southman(12) Disputed
3 points

This young Bostonian claims that the U.S. shouldn't become engaged in a war, but agreed that the embargo is hurting the economy of New England. It is common sense, at least to me, that the only way help our economy is to go to war to fight for our trading rights.

Side: For
5 points

All I can say are what would our real benefits from going to war with Britain really be? I will admit that foreign relations between our two nations have not been stellar as of recent days, but is that not subject to change and evolution. I for one, a merchant, of the city of Boston do not wish to see us go to war.

1. We have already proved our independence from Britain, must we really go to war to do it again. What we really need is to gain their respect, we can achieve that through other means. Namely through negotiations. Yes Britain has failed to uphold parts of our former treaty, but surely we should be able to solve that in a civilized manner. Our country is home to some of the greatest political figures of our time, and even those before us. Surely we can use their abilities, to settle things between our two quarreling nations. Not all wars need to be fought on the battlefield.

2. Do we really need to capture Canada? This would be a waste of resources for our country. We already have so much open and unexplored space to the west. Do we really need to conquer more territory, especially when so much of our own is hardly occupied. Not to mention that Canada is also sparsely populated. Surely we could make a better use of our Nation's resources by strengthening our borders. If we show a greater presence along our coastlines, we could avoid mishaps with other Nations.

It is my opinion that we can resolve these issues, without spilling the blood the blood of our fellow countrymen. We will be able to maintain our own lands and have a greater government in place. Compared to a spread out, and very sparsely populated countryside. Realistically we stand to gain more from avoiding a conflict with Britain.

Side: Against
MrsMadison(3) Disputed
2 points

In response to your first point, with the incredible leaders in the U.S. that you mentioned, it is important for us to prove to Britain that U.S. is a force to be reckoned with. Showing Britain that making up rules because they are supposedly a greater power is unacceptable. War with Britain was necessary in the growth of the United States.

Side: For
henry_clay(9) Disputed
2 points

The British by this point in time clearly do not understand the fact that we are no longer to be associated with them. They broke the Treaty of Paris by infringing upon our lands out west and continually harass our western citizens. As one from New England, you may not entirely understand the suffering that folk our here go through. The British, using the Indians as their proxy, disturb us non-stop. We do not need to have the unrest that we have out here for any longer. This war is needed to convince the British one last time that we have no interest in being their toy any longer.

Side: For
TheOther_Guy(4) Disputed
1 point

In Response to your first point as to why we should not enter the war being that you believe that if we enter negotiations with England again then they would listen to and respect our terms. Frankly I think that you live in a dream land the English have already showed us that they will do as they please when it comes to interactions between us and them when they kept forts on our land that they had given to us in the Treaty of Paris and this treaty was written after 8 years of bloody conflict and was negotiated from position of power even if that power was somewhat imagined. Also if we go to them and try to negotiate it will be from a position of weakness as we need them to stop the orders in council to improve our economy. Impressment and the Chesapeake affair have shown that they are more powerful the us and will therefore not see a need to negotiate or to uphold any terms if they do.

Side: For
SPOwner(6) Disputed
1 point

In response to your first point, Britain is questioning our ability to fight. Negotiations would not help us gain respect from Britain. We have tried to resolve all problems in a 'civilized' manner, but as you can see, this war is inevitable and is completely necessary.

Side: For
4 points

As a New England shop owner, (1) this war will make the trade with Britain a certain impossibility, they will cut trade with the states. 2) The British blockade sitting not far off our shores will make and sea trade to Europe extremely difficult and of high cost to the merchants and the trade ships to leave the ports, causing loss of revenue and/or the innocent lives of these ship owners and their crew. 3) With the southerners not wanting to purchase American made goods the shop owners and factories can’t sell their inventory and are starting to shut down and the country will start to lose money as well and can’t fund our future endeavors.

Side: Against
4 points

I fully agree, not only will it cut off British trade, but we know the consequences that follow, from the embargo act which restricted trade with the British. If we know the events following that war are bad then why would we engage in it? I see that America still has to grow to be the self-sustaining country that we act like, and to do this we need trade partners other than ourselves, so pursuing war and endangering trade with Britain would be a mistake.

Side: Against
2 points

I would like to agree. It would be foolish to wage a naval war with Britain, we are hopelessly out manned and outgunned. I am also going to raise the point that international trade is crucial for any country no matter how developed it is. The state of our nations infrastructure does not help with this making trade between individual states arduous and far from efficient. Trade is something that we need to maintain this country, it allows for the export of goods to sustain the lives of many people as well as our government.

Side: Against
SouthernGirl(8) Disputed
1 point

Yes, trade is something that we as a country need, but there are nations that we can trade with. This isn't the colonial days when we were forced by the British Monarch to only trade with them in fear of punishment. We need to show the British that we will not be pushed around by them once again.

Side: For
MrsMadison(3) Disputed
2 points

In response to your third point, southerners' reasoning for not purchasing American goods is unreasonable. Nationalism should be promoted throughout the union and that includes supporting American industries. By better marketing your New England products, the lost funds that you are concerned about will be eliminated.

Side: For
TheProphet(7) Disputed
2 points

Do you wish to be eternally subservient to England and the rest of Europe. I we do nothing to stand up for our beliefs and our countries honor we will forever be subservient to them. We must become a force to be reckoned with so that one day we may be on equal standing with the other great nations for we are a great people and let us declare it to the world! If we bow to our trade partner for simple short sighted trade and profit, we submit our selves to decades of servitude in this way. If we but make one stand for our selves, we will show the world we are not to be pushed around, but rather you must honor us and our way of life to be able to trade with us.

Side: For
henry_clay(9) Disputed
2 points

To argue with your second point, the British really have already been costing us more money than we should be spending by fueling the Indians' aggression. We are now spending money on defending ourselves at the end of the day against the British. They also have been refusing to remove their forts from our lands which also causes worry in the western states. We need to reassert our independence and relive ourselves from the constancy of British harassment.

Side: For
TheOther_Guy(4) Disputed
1 point

In Response to your first point The British have already made trade virtually impossible with the orders of council. I know that the orders of council only state that if anyone wishes to trade in Europe than they need to stop at a British port but that is virtually the same thing as only being able to trade with England because if they see fit that they can make the tariffs on goods to other countries so high that no one will be a able to make a profit and thus forcing them to trade exclusively with England. We all know what happens when we are forced to trade exclusively with England they pay very little for the goods that they import but charge a very high and very unfair rice on exports and they can do that because although we are developing our own factories we still rely on British goods. If we can nor trade fairly with the English and people are not buying domestically then why not go to war because this will force people to buy domestic products thus improving our economy and our industry. We will also be able to make new terms for trading with the English in the future.

Side: For
Farmer_S(6) Disputed
1 point

Yes, trade may become harder to achieve, however Britain is already acting upon us, taking our ships and men. Something must be done to prove that we are not to be pushed around and taken advantage of.

Side: For
0 points

I completely support your argument. We need our British friends as trade partners to help support all parts of the country or else many people in America could be hurt.

Side: Against
3 points

Closing: Going to war with Britain would cause more harm than good with the current state of the nation. The country is still young and needs to mature. If you choose to see things in a light where Britain and France do not take America seriously as a nation, we need to take a closer look. It is not because of fighting to prove our independence, we have already demonstrated that on the field of battle. It is simply because we are a young nation, new to the world. I feel it would be wise to maintain our policy of neutrality, and avoid foreign conflicts. However when it comes to commerce, the more countries to trade with the better. Unlike some other nations like Britain and France we do not have smaller colonies and territories that we are able to depend upon for shipments of goods and supplies. In addition I see there is a limited possibility where we would emerge victorious from such a war, is it really a good idea to test this. We can always seek to settle things in a civilized manner with negotiations.

Side: Against
2 points

I think that it would be a terrible idea to go into war with Great Britain. With respects to the impressment of seamen, this is a fragile and a difficult subject, and if we hope to make a mutual agreement, it must be by war. It is said to be necessary to go war to secure our rights.

1. However, the benefits from going to war with them, in my opinion, are nonexistent. Taking any part of Great Britain’s Canadian base would do a very little amount of damage.

2. Also being trade partners is incredibly important to our economy and this holdout on trade is hurting parts of the country and needs to come to an end

Side: Against
Federalist1(8) Disputed
5 points

As a fellow federalist also, I support you in the fact that trade is important with them. But we have a strong enough central government to change the hurting of our nation and theirs even then in that case. Just to lift off the unnecessary acts they have caused upon us would solve the problem. If that means by force so be it. We have created a set up that allows us to have a strong enough military to do that. We fight for what we want, if we didn't we wouldn't be the free, democratic country we are today. By gaining our rights back, and maybe even Canada, we will prove a statement that we are not to be held down in future foreign conflicts and that we are strong enough and proud enough to stand up for ourselves.

Side: For
Farmer_S(6) Disputed
1 point

The Embargo act is what is hurting our economy. Yes the war has a certain affect to the Embargo, but we cannot hope to trade with a country that doesn't respect us.

Side: For
SouthernGirl(8) Disputed
1 point

In response to number one. There are more advantages to gaining Canada than you are seeing. If we capture Canada from Britain, then we would finally have them completely evicted from North America and not have them so close. They would no longer be able to arm the aggressive Native Americans with weapons that they could use to kill and injure our fellow Americans.

Side: For
2 points

As the previous vice president of the United States of America, I believe that extreme precaution to the idea of war should be taken. For there are various potential negative complications should we be so rash in our decision to wage a war. 1. Declaring war on Britain would mean the marriage of the American and French forces, placing power in the hands of Napoleon who would most certainly abuse it. 2. The embargo act has restricted trade on America with other countries specifically France and Britain, in this we can see that isolation would be a fatal move for America, because it has shown that we depend on other countries for economic ventures. New England has suffered severe ecomonic consequences from the embargo act, a war with Britain would mean similar trade conditions in which the American can not grown in.

Side: Against
JVB2k16(1) Disputed
5 points

(1) Although the impressment of sailors seems barely damaging to the economy of the United States a whole, this nation cannot turn a blind eye and stay true the Constitution and not seek retaliation for the over six thousand U.S. citizens that were captured by inhumane means. Not only is Britain violating international laws by taking away the freedoms of our men, but Britain is also violating an obvious moral law that needs to be retaliated for through the declaration of war. (2) In addition, how can an independent government like Britain have the right to tell another independent government like our own, that we cannot trade with France? Beyond reason, Britain cannot control our economy (and more importantly, my own business expeditions!). It is senseless that any American should continue to support this by not urging for the declaration of war. (3) Over 25,000 American lives were lost in our fight for freedom from the British Crown just over thirty years ago. These deaths are certainly unfortunate, but were unfortunately certain to rid our great nation of any British rule- and by a miracle- we earned the right to govern ourselves and trade as we please. But now that we can no longer do what we have sacrificed so much for, we must wage war and earn back these freedoms so that Britain will never have the nerve to threaten them again.

Side: For
4 points

I agree indefinitely. The Embargo Act has prevented the people of The United States from lawful and profitable commerce for too long. Our government should realize they are depriving themselves their means of support, and this act is truly a fatal error.

Side: Against
TheOther_Guy(4) Disputed
1 point

In response to your first point.

Why is allying with the french such a bad idea we allied with them in the revolutionary war to gain our independence and we did just that we won our freedom from England and that would not have been possible without the aid of the French and yes the french did not help us out of kindness but rather out of a hope from economic gains and to weaken England. Both of those factors which originally caused the French to join are cause are present at the time for the British are getting too powerful for any country to feel safe on the seas and why do you fear putting power in the hands of Napoleon he sold us the Louisiana territory for a mere 3 cents an acre which will no doubt help our country in the future to gain power and Napoleon has no territory in the new world so what do we have to fear from him and even if he does become too powerful I for one would rather have a power country with an ambitious leader that is allied with us and has nothing to gain in attacking our country and is instead trying to conquer the old world and whose main source of power is an army. I would rather have that then to have a power country with a powerful leader that is angry at us and wishes to hurt our economy and to walk all over our rights and who not only has land in the new world thus giving them something to gain by attempting to conquer us or the new territory out west that is surely destined to be ours and whose main source of power is a navy thus giving them the means to attack us.

Side: For
1 point

It was dumb of us to declare war on a greater power.

Side: Against
Str8G(2) Disputed
4 points

No you are dumb! America is standing up for themselves and this war was bound to happen again the British have been pushing the limits and eventually Americans got sick of being pushed around and fought back and won! GO AMERICA!

Side: For
0 points

Conclusion

I feel that a war with Britain would be a bad idea, the lives of the american people would be lost, we would once again be fighting the strongest European navy, nor would this war be worth fighting over when both sides could peacefully handle this problem.

Side: Against
SouthernGirl(8) Disputed
1 point

So what if we fight Britain again? We fought them once before and won, and we can do it again. If we won, the rewards would be worth the losses. I don't think this issue can be solved peacefully, there have been too many events that Britain has done to us and they are not showing signs of peaceful agreements. In total, we are headed to war one way or another.

Side: For