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Can you prove you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell?
Any answer to this question other than "no" is a lie. You can't prove that you are not a sinner, and you can't prove that you have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell. You can believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, but that seems kinda silly since God may end your time at any moment proving you don't even have the right to live as a sinner. If anybody is concerned about where they are going and wants to be saved, ya'll know I"ll be more than happy to tell you about the Savior who will save you now if you will trust Him. I expect mostly junk I don't care to read here, so I'll be staying away from here for a while.
Participate discussing the OP please. How I became convinced that nobody has the right to exist as sinners outside of Hell is not the topic here. If you become convinced that you do not have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell and you want assurance that you will not exist in Hell as a sinner forever, I'll tell you how you can have that assurance.........but for now, I don't think you want it; for now, I think you want to fake having proof of the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell.
I don't have a reason to believe that Hell exists, so the question your asking isn't one that I can really genuinely consider. Which is why I'm trying to get you to establish that.
So you are using your talk as evidence of having the right to exist outside of Hell when you don't have any evidence of having that right.......in other words, you are faking it.
Is this supposed to be your proof of having the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell? I'm asking a yes or a no question here, do you think you can answer with a yes or a no before you go off trying to change the topic of the debate?
I don't think I have the right to exist outside of Hell anymore than I think I have an obligation to exist in it. I don't have any reason to think Hell exists, so why would I think I have any 'rights' associated with it?
Well dog, you gave a fairly honest answer here, and I want to congratulate you for it. You showed some good logic and power of reason...except in one point. As a sinner, what makes you think you are not obliged to exist in Hell?
I guess the point you made accurately was your opening statement...."I don't think I have the right to exist outside of Hell....". From that point, you went off into the unknown. The only thing you said which I can agree with is the part I quoted here. Stick with that part as the basis of your thinking and you might have hope of coming to the knowledge of the truth so you can meet the Savior and be saved by Him from Hell.
I don't think I have an obligation to exist inside of Hell. I don't think I have a right to exists inside of Hell. I don't have a right to exist outside of Hell. I don't think I have any 'rights' or 'obligations' or anything in regards to Hell because I don't think Hell exists.
An obligation to do something does not mean you have the right to do it.
You have the right to exist because God made you exist....that is right because God did it.
I find it funny how you try to change meanings by interchanging obligation with right....
and if you don't have the right to exist outside of Hell, and you don't have the right to exist inside of Hell, where do you have the right to exist? Here? Are you kidding me? You're faking it, you don't have the right or you would not be dying.
please try to talk sense, your logic is doing so many loops you are going to get dizzy and fall down......and if you fall too soon you are going to wake up in Hell because I know you are still in your sin, separated from God, by your own words.
I am also curious about how you learned the "true path"? Was there someone like you are now who convinced you that you do not have the right to exist as a sinner outside Hell?
I realized I do not have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner when I realized my sin separated me from God and I do not have the right to be in His presence as a person who has gone against Him. If you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, who gave you that right, or how did you get that right?
Can you prove that you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell?
I cannot prove I have that right because I know I do not have that right. What I know is not the question here, the question is : Can you prove that you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner. Well????? Can you ??????
I am not sure I can, but please provide me more information. Where did you learn about God from? How do you know it is not a right to exist outside of Hell? I thought that you had the right to exist outside of Hell because you feared God, so I am confused why you still don't have the right to exist outside of Hell.
If you have the right to exist outside of Hell, why should you fear God?
The question here is "can you prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell".
The only proof I see is that you are privileged to be here in time, and time is a given to you for now. The proof of not having the right to live is your dying. Being here in time is a privilege and not a right.
Now, since you do not have the right to live here, can you prove that you have the right to live outside of Hell?
"I am not sure I can" prove it is failure to prove it. If you can't prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, just say "Nope, I can't prove it". I say you can't prove it because you do not have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner. If you try to change this debate into "prove that I am going to burn in Hell", your proof is coming, isn't it?
What really matters to you is where you are going when you leave this world....where all those other people went, I don't know....I did not know them, never talked to them, never heard them talk. I hear you, and by your own words you are a sinner and unforgiven thinking you can be good when all you can be is a dying sinner......so I know you have one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell, your sin is the anchor below the ice pulling you down.
I simply realized I do not have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell and knew I needed to be saved and I received Jesus who died for me and now lives forever as my Savior, God incarnate who gave His life's blood to pay for my sins so I can be forgiven and not pay in Hell. You too can be covered by His blood and pardoned of all your sin and saved from Hell, but you won't be, will you? Will you?
When you prove that you have the right to exist outside of Hell, or when you can prove you are assured of not ending up in Hell dying forever, then we can talk.
Insisting there is no God and no Hell only proves you are a fool, and I don't see any reason for myself not to give up and you and let you try to find other entertainments in your dying.
I can no more prove my right to exist outside of hell, than I can outside of Narnia, Middle-earth or Hogwarts. Nothing at all can be proven about hell, you and I both know this. If the only way to know is to go to hell, then how do you know about it? It's a fair question. One you appear to be unwilling or unable to answer.
You can't prove anything, I don't know why you keep trying. You reject reality, so you are stuck with hope in un-existing. Enjoy yourself while you can, I find your tone to be quite similar to nails being dragged across a chalk board and I've had enough. See Jesus as your Savior, or face Him as your Judge and see who you are arguing against, you are arguing against your own life in favor of your own condemnation and I'm not interested in riding with you on your sinking ship. Enjoy.
I feared God when I realized I do not have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell. If you want to defy God all the way to Hell, go ahead, your blood is on your own head, I tried to warn you and tell you how you can be saved. You want to be you, do it, man....be a proud brave fool all the way into eternity and see where you end up in the reality you cling to in desperation where nothing good is from God..........do it man, you go. All cheer for Bohemian, he's so brave and proud defying God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOO WOOOO!!!!!!!
And don't forget the SmilingBoob, I think that guy is Bo's twin brother....they sure talk like Dawkins trained parrots
Face reality and you will believe reality is real and you do not have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell.
One day you will not be able to escape this reality.....go on and be a proud and brave fool defying God pretending like you prove Him and me wrong in your dying. Your blood is on your own head, bob
Now you are being used as an example.......of a proud and brave fool trying to provoke God to prove His own banishment from God's goodness. Now you are cast out forever, and not having fun here any more. Keep pushing God saying He cannot prove you have no right of existence as a sinner outside of Hell, and see who is right in the matter, you or God. Take a guess who is right. Oh yeah, you already stated your fooling pompous opinion. The only thing missing in that you are banished from being here, in your banishment there is no fire on you. God is still giving you time. You should be thankful that I'm not God, because I had enough of you here.
People in Hell remain there forever as examples, testimonials, proving God's right to rule over all of Creation and punish all sin. Only the smoke of their torments will rise as a constant indication of their torments, and nobody is going to feel sorry for them because they got the God-forsake reality that they wanted all the time they were dying before God finally had enough of them and executed them, no more counting down of time in death for the fools and they got what they deserved for trying to murder God who only tried to give them LIFE.
Proving Hell exists or that it is your destiny is not the topic here.
The topic is asking a question. My answer to that question is "Nope". I feel no need to elaborate on that answer, I simply concede that I cannot provide any proof of having the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell. Please state clearly that you admit having no proof of any right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell, or admit that you are faking it, pretending you have such a right when in reality you do not have any proof of such a right.
Do you think it's possible for you to be superior to God? What if you can be superior to God? Would you then have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner? If you have that right, why are you losing all your rights? Why does the Bible say a fool hath said in his heart, there is no God? Why is it so easy to make atheists look like fools, and so funny when they say so many stupid things as if they can keep themselves out of Hell by saying there is no God and no Hell?
Yep, I can, just wait and see. I hope you get saved before it's too late so you will know you were destined for Hell but are forgiven like me and going to heaven.......but as you are in your pride trying to tell God you are good so you don't deserve dying, you are going to be dying as you are now forever in Hell. Get saved or be lost, that's the way it is., son.....oopps, I mean punk
I'll save you a spot near the earths core lol. Come on, seriously, do you really think there are people living in the earth's core? You know we need air to breathe right?
Air won't help you for long. What were you breathing in your mother's womb? Whether or not people in Hell are able to draw air out of the burning surroundings like a fish draws air out of water, I do not know. I do know this....there will be no comfort or pleasure in whatever they are breathing.
Are you asking God to end your life and leave you alone forever in Hell where your insistence on having the right to exist outside of it won't get you out of it?
Your own statement was dumb and I showed how dumb it is by pointing out that you were breathing but had no air to breathe in your mother's womb. Ban yourself if you want to be banned, that's the same kind of attitude by which people propel themselves forever away from God's goodness into Hell's fire.
The dictionary, last time I checked (they probably changed the meaning since then) defines "fetus" as an unborn child. The child in the womb constantly breathes, inhaling the amniotic fluid. This is part of development strengthening the diaphragm. Did you earn a diploma or a GED? Somehow I think you earned neither. Just a guess, not intended as an insult, but you seem like your brain has been clogged up with weed or something.
The fetus doesn't breathe its first first breath until they are born. Everyone knows this you idiot. Yes, the lungs are filled with amniotic fluid, but they are not inflated. And yes they go through motions similar to breathing, but its not the same thing.
At least you realize that you do not have the right to exist as an ignoramus in this discussion. Because you recognize that reality, I'll allow you to have access to participation for now.
Since JC already died for my sins and wiped the slate clean, I am sin free and as pure as the driven snow. I have carte blanche to do as I please and now, if you don't mind, I have some debauchery, decadence and depravity to catch up on. :-)
You never repented of your sins, the devil believes the same as you and is condemned to Hell. You're making a very poor argument. You are obviously a sinner, and quite proud of your perversions and even if you did truly repent of your sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to receive Him as your Savior, you would still be a sinner by your old nature and being forgiven is not a right you have, but a gift of God which is eternal life.
Saying you have the right to exist outside of Hell is basically demanding that God prove you wrong, and rest assured He will.
I'm beginning to think you really believe this lie, since you have stated it before. Nobody has a license to sin. Enjoy while you can if that's the way you want to go out.
You have failed to prove that you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner. Dying is reasonable doubt making it apparent that you do not have any right at all. All rights are denied you in death, proving that anything end everything you have in time as it is being counted down to finality of death, is a privilege and not a right..... so how are you going to prove you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell?
You have only established unarguably that you have the privilege of existing outside of Hell as a sinner. I don't see how you can say you have any right whatsoever for anything, let alone the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell.
A privilege is a benefit granted only to some and not to others. A right is a moral or legal entitlement or protection. Even if I am going to loose all my rights in death, I currently have a number of them, including the right to not be in hell
After you tell me I am wrong but fail to prove me wrong, will you ban me? Until then, I have every right to post here
I can't prove you wrong if you won't admit defeat. God will prove you wrong, you can count on that. For an example, let's imagine your coffin is prepared and waiting for you. The God clicks on your ban button, and you no longer have the privilege of voicing your opinion in the presence of the living as you remain the way you are now, dying, in the reality you insist God is void, and the only place you can really believe such nonsense is in the fire of Hell where you will have nothing to indicate God is good or that He loves you and you will never be able to believe God is good or that He loves you. You can believe it now, but you wont', will you? And you are going to tell me you are not a proud and brave fool? I don't buy it, much less does God buy it from you.
Insisting there is no Hell does not prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, it only proves you like to pretend you know more than God knows....so you are faking it, and who are you fooling?
Prove to me there is a hell, I haven't got to prove to you there is one.
and im no sinner thanks, I don't follow your foolish religion or believe in your foolish beliefs of hell and heaven! so there nothing to prove, nothing to believe, nothing to answer and nothing in between your ears.
That's not the question here. The title of this debate is not "I can prove Hell is real". The title is "can you prove you have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell?"
The honest answer is "No, I cannot prove I have the right to exist outside of Hell".
I'm not asking you to prove there is no Hell, or prove Hell is real. I'm asking you to prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, and you are obviously incapable of proving that so you pretend not to understand the question and try to change the discussion into something it is not. Why are you trying to avoid answering the question? I'll tell you why....it's because you know you cannot prove you have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell, and you are faking it, telling yourself that you really do have that right...fooling yourself and trying to hide your insecurity with a big mouth.
There's no question to answer, I totally understand the question but the question is irrelevant because to me there is no hell so there's no reason to justify prove or give a dam???
If the question is irrelevant, why are you answering it, fool? You think you have the right to exist outside of Hell and you are faking it....no sinner has that right you fool.......you don't even have the right to exist in this discussion.
You can prove for yourself that there is a Hell. You're doing it now, working hard on finding proof and if you keep asking for it, I can assure you that you will get it, idiot...I hope you stop being an idiot before it's too late and you get the proof you really don't want.
This is kinda a broken question don't you think? since NO is the only right answer? I saw a question like this the other day that I said "know what, this is total BS" Oh right. you were there Saintnow.
An honest congratulation to you for being only the second person here to answer the question correctly. Nobody can prove they have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell for two reasons:
1) Sinners do not have the right to live
2) Until a sinner's dying is finalized, if they think they have the right to exist outside of Hell, they can't prove it until they die and then it's too late when they find out they have no right to live anywhere God's goodness can be sensed.
I live in reality where truth is objective. It's a river of living water flowing out of my belly. If you hate it and want to curse me, that's your problem and I'll ignore you. God loves you, and God loves me, and I do not have to show you any respect when you are being abusive in speech. You choose to defy God or to obey Him, and if you will obey Him you will always be thankful for His mercy.
if you will trust Him, you will repent of ALL your sin and receive Jesus Christ as your Savior, for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
There is no hope without the Savior. Be miserable if you want to be miserable. God offers you peace through the blood of His cross as He paid your price so you can approach Him with your sins covered by His own blood and know His forgiveness as He conquered death for all who will believe on Him.
It's sad, but if you want to be proud of yourself and don't care about what God did for you in Jesus Christ, and you want to go your own way, that's your problem and not mine.
well, I would say we have no right to exist. as rights even those which are assumed to be god given cannot be enforced or supported by anyone other than our fellow man. if we lacked the means to communicate, and by transit form societies, then not only would it be every family unit for themselves, but to some degree, your existence would be invalidated by every other human out there. you would be an obstacle to survival of everyone else. which is why I suppose that I "answered the question correctly" my right to exist is Null regardless of me being a sinner.
God brought us into existence so it is right for us to exist, we have that right because God caused us to exist and nobody or nothing can make us unexist....but our existence is more than a right, because having the right to do something does not imply you have to do it. Our existence is undeniable reality, it's more than a right...it's an obligation we cannot refuse. Even obligation does not describe it correctly. I suppose I said something like we have the right to exist, but we have to admit that word is insufficient to describe our reality.
Existing is not a right, not an obligation, you have no choice in the matter. The question is "do you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner". You are dodging the question, it's a yes or no question which does not require a lengthy explanation of why you feel you don't have to answer the question. You have to answer it sooner or later, you might as well figure it out now before it's too late.
Have you heard that when I get tired of fools, I ban them and pray they will see it illustrates how God will get tired of them and banish them forever in Hell if they won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ?
Do you think it's possible for you to be superior to God? What if you can be superior to God? Would you then have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner? If you have that right, why are you losing all your rights? Why does the Bible say a fool hath said in his heart, there is no God? Why is it so easy to make atheists look like fools, and so funny when they say so many stupid things as if they can keep themselves out of Hell by saying there is no God and no Hell?
You would consider me a sinner and I am not in what you would consider hell. If I am a sinner who is not in hell, an all powerful God must be ok with it or else I would be there. My right to exist outside hell is that god created this condition.. Otherwise I would be in hell.
Your condition is temporary and fails utterly to prove you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell.
Implying the fact you are not in Hell now is proof that you have the right to exist outside of Hell is faking it. You don't have the right to live as your time is a privilege ending soon, so how can you say you have the right to exist outside of Hell when you can't keep yourself out of it?
Why don't you explain the differences? I think I was clear in what I said, existence is a right because God made us exist, existence outside of Hell as sinners is a privilege in time. I think I was clear and concise in those statements, if you think further explanation is needed then I think you need to provide it.
If I don't know what you mean by a "privilege in time" or how that is different from a right at any given time, how can you expect me to provide further explanation? I don't think privilege differs from right in this context. If you provide clarification, your position may make more sense.
You have no God-given right, all you have is a privilege. If you don't know the difference, you are not living in reality, but in reality are dying and death is all you have.
The fact that God who is omnipotent is ok with you not being in Hell now does not prove He is ok with you not being in Hell forever when your time is finished here.
You are not proving anything except that you believe you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell when your dying obviously deprives you of all rights.
You are losing all of your rights, you have no right to live, you are among the dead already....separated from God by your sin in death, dying unless God gets you out of it.........
and the question remains, "Do you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell?" and if you say "yes", I'd like to see you prove it logically...if your logic is truthful, to refute it would be nonsensical.
God created me, so I have the right to exist. God did not put me in hell, so I have the right to exist outside of hell. Now that I have proven that, I would like you to prove that the bible was not written by Satan in order to fool people like you.
The fact that you are not in Hell now is not proof of having the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell. You lose all rights in dying, so you cannot possibly have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell. You can hope that you won't end up burning in Hell forever, but to say you have the right to exist outside of Hell is delusional.
Your response amounts to saying "no. Cuz I said so". Listen god, I have the right to exist outside hell because otherwise you would have me there, since you are all powerful. If I lose all rights when I die, then so be it. But I'm not dead, I'm alive and I'm not in hell. Once you decide to ban me, I will lose the right to talk on your debate. But until then god, I have every right to talk here.
Don't you realize in this last post that you are actually asking God to prove that He can keep you in Hell forever? Don't you see how stupid it is to act that way?
It's not "asking for it" to claim the right to be where ever God puts me and keeps me. It's not "asking for it" to argue against the claims of a Satanic script reading, pseudo god wannabe such as yourself.
Your belief that Gods children deserve hell (with your adopted father) rather than in heaven with God is the best evidence of the author of your beloved book of lies. Why don't you just go ahead and ban me. Make my point for me
God's children have the privilege of being His children. You cannot be His child if His Spirit is not in you. His Spirit cannot be in you when you are rejecting His Son from being your Savior.
Sinner's are of their father the devil who sowed the seeds of sin which grew in people God created for Himself but they went against Him and fell in sin to be like devils, unlike God's children. You need a new heart, a new life, a new Spirit from God to be born as His child, a new birth which happens if and when you will receive Jesus Christ as your Savior. Jesus said He is standing at your door knocking, and if you will hear His voice and open the door, He will come in to you and sup with you, and you with Him, then you will be forever a child of God bought back from sin by the blood God Himself paid for you when He died in your place. By rejecting Him, you are asking for the death He took for you, and you will have your own death forever and face Jesus Christ as your Judge after rejecting Him as your Savior, and you will be cast away into the Lake of Fire forever which is the second death...dying forever as you are now.
You are asking for it, defying God, and I hope it's not too late for you to repent, turn against and away from your sin, believe on Jesus and be saved. You need to talk to God about it and quit arguing against Him with me. If you will agree with Him, He will save you and you will know His mercy and have His pardon and be passed from death into life and never have to die.
You take your own death forever, or you believe God Himself took it for you when He died on the cross for you, and you ask His forgiveness because it was your sin He died for, and receive Him by faith as your Savior. Talk it over with God, all the things you are trying to tell me, try telling God and listen to Him.....if you will honestly listen to Him, seek Him, you will find Him and be saved from Hell. I hope you do....will you???? WILL YOU????? Yes or no please.
Yes of course I will. I always converse with God. That's why I know about your book of lies spun by Satan. Satan makes threats, as you have done. Satan tries to convince people they belong in hell, just as you do. I won't be intimidated by you, Satans messenger, because I have God on my side. I just wish you would abandon your vile ways and seek Gods truth rather than Satans lies. Stop worshiping false prophets and intimidating Gods children. Stop insulting them. Stop playing God by banning people who speak truth.
