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Christianity and Judaism has they psycho episode behind them. Islam is is still somehow backward. You can see that in all countries where they have majority.
Until Christians stop picketing funerals, bleating on about the evils of homosexuality and saying that the murder of 20 5 - 6 year olds is heaven sent retribution on mankind I find it hard to believe their psycho period is behind them. There are just as many nutters in Christianity as Islam, just look at some of the people in the press recently I actually saw this quote somwhere "I am a Christian Gun owner if they want my weapons they'll get the ammo first", yeah real fuckin sane.
I would say that Christians have just mastered the ability to hide their sins from their consciousness by choosing willful ignorance. Their dark age is far from behind them. A semi-thorough investigation of Wahhabi, al-Qaeda's roots, Muslim brotherhood will show that we've basically created a fanatical sect of Islam for our own reasons. There are plenty of loving and compassionate Muslims.
Both are evil religions fueling hate, predjudice, and war. Neither is peaceful. You cant compare two things if neither of them have it. The only reason I post here is because Islam doesn't have the history Christianity does because it's younger. It doesn't have as much blood on it's hands because it hasn't been around to kill as long. Though it is worse than Christianity today. If It had been started the same time as Christianity then I believe it would have claimed more lives.
Maybe they shouldn't provoke them in first place. It's really stupid to provoke something that you cannot kill. Israelite do not kill civilians intentionally but Gaza people fires only on civilians they never attack military they fire rockets just and only on cities
Hamas can't kill more people because they are technologically in 18th century.
Hamas brings children to rocket launchers or fires rockets from hospital they know that they will be tracked down and destroyed they intentionally let children die, so they can make video carrying dead children.
no they don't they fight in the name of Allah, they don't give a shit about country there never been any they just want to kill all non Muslims especially Jews (kids, women, everyone) ...adn this is Hamas formal statement.
As a said before, idiots from Gaza should not provoke Israel otherwise they will get beaten again and again. Israel is so nice that they hit only Hamas buildings and with warning upfront....
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Actually, Gaza attacked first. Israel has been very accepting and held back until recently. They merely retaliated. It's a classic, "You punch me, I punch you back" kind of thing. Now, both sides have done things they probably shouldn't have and regret it, but, unfortunately, it is war. Israel had a legitimate casus belli against Gaza.
...because they are trying to rule there under sharia and are publicly executing women that do refuse wear burqa, it has to be secured by Army otherwise they would turn it into Somalia. ...little details you've somehow forget....
nice try, in all Islamic countries are Human rights (especially women) cut off in favor if Islam, freedom of speech - nothing. Saying anything against Islam or leaving means death. Maybe because Islam was invented by violent warlord?
This is brainwashed fanaticism based on your ignorance and illiteracy. Your prophet was a violent pedophile, he would be sitting in prison if born this century.
Keep in mind, that this is a full military career by any standard. In other words, if Muhammad wasnt a warlord, then the word no longer has any meaning.
we are in no position to say or decide who goes to hell or who goes to heaven, therefore we do not judge people based on what they believe or how they defend their beliefs.
Christian beliefs are different than how you view a prophet. To us he was the son of God, the one created all. He did spread the message of Christianity, but Jesus was a part of God, sent down by him as his only son, so that he may die for the sins of others. He was Christ The Lord.
that is true, also, islam does not support executing women who do not want to wear burqa....here in Lebanon muslims are everywhere and 40% of women are not veiled..i am a muslim and i am not veiled...i wear what other women wear around the globe...well almost i just dont show too much skin. Islam is a religion that supports the woman, calls for her protection and refuses a woman to be oppressed. think outside the box dude, you do not know Islam to judge it and it is obvious from your accusations towards it.
However if I am not mistaken, woman are not treated as equals to men. Woman rights in the mid east is one of the worst in the world. For example in Iran, woman are forced to wear the burqa and they can be killed there. Also woman in Afghanistan my father told me( my dad was a part of the Invasion in 1979 so he was there) that the local mullahs look down on woman who where raped because they had intercourse. Also in Shari law, men's voice in a court system is considered more accurate than a woman because she is a woman. I am not saying that Islam is evil but like in any religion extremism can destroy its key values.
Please, explain to me the reason why women should not be regarded as the equal of men.
You said there is a reason behind Sharia law. Sharia law openly discriminates against women. Why? How does tipping the scales in the favor of men represent a balanced society?
ah~ well you see, in Iran, you find allot of weird callings towards the islamic religion, they twist everything in their own way to make new laws so Iran is based on misinterpretations. You can ask people in Lebanon for example about Iran, you will hear from the majority that Iran has false laws towards the sharia law. About the sharia law, In the quran it states that a woman should be treated equall to men, for a woman is the one who gives birth to those men. Maybe long ago they used to be a little sexist but then, they changed and now a woman's right is equal to a man's. also, a woman is defended by the law of sharia in order to guarantee that she will not be abused in any way.
Maybe long ago they used to be a little sexist but then, they changed and now a woman's right is equal to a man's. also, a woman is defended by the law of sharia in order to guarantee that she will not be abused in any way.
Excuse me? There are several areas of Sharia law, from property rights to giving testimony, where the word of a woman is worth less than that of a man. Perhaps this discrimination is practiced less overtly than it was 1000 years ago, but to imply that the discrimination has been eliminated entirely is foolish. Do some research.
Also I would have laughed out loud at your comment about Sharia "defending" women - if the abuse of women in Islamic culture wasn't such an atrocious and prevalent occurrence. Sharia law is arguably designed and certainly practiced in such a way that it often makes it impossible for women to receive justice. Take a rape case, for example, as tried by Sharia law. The woman may need up to four male witnesses to testify on her behalf to prove the charge, because her word isn't worth anything on its own. How many instances of rape can you find where there are four male witnesses to the crime where the males aren't the rapists? Not many, I'd think.
umm no that is not true, are you a muslim? i think not...do you know about sharia law more than a muslim? i also think not...
ah~about the rape situation...you got it all wrong darling you see, when someone says that a certain woman was raped, he needs to have 4 witnesses to assure his accusation towards that woman, but when a woman says that she was raped, she does not need 4 male witnesses, so you see, you are the one who needs to do some research and understand sharia law, then you should do your debates about it...a woman's word in sharia and islam is as powerful and as efficient on its own as a man's word... Have you ever lived in an islamic society? ever understood the sharia law?
honestly you made me laugh out loud when you commented about the rape part!! i can see how deep your researches are, and how foolishly you misinterpret everything. And, why don't you come to Lebanon for once, ask all the woman if they are being abused or oppressed (muslim women) and how many will tell you that your interpretation to sharia law is wrong? MANY i'd KNOW! ;)
are you a muslim? i think not...do you know about sharia law more than a muslim?
Being a Muslim really doesn't amount to shit when it comes to knowing about Sharia Law. Sometimes the people who are the most ignorant about a religion are the members of that religion. Sometimes it takes and outside perspective to truly understand something. So for all you know being a Muslim actually impairs ones ability to clearly grasp Sharia, and being a non-Muslim helps one understand it, better.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: irrelevant.
you got it all wrong darling you see, when someone says that a certain woman was raped, he needs to have 4 witnesses to assure his accusation towards that woman, but when a woman says that she was raped, she does not need 4 male witnesses
I don't think I did. It is a difficult subject to research; you have to dig through such an abundance of the disgusting abuses of and by Sharia before you find what you're looking for.
So according to you, under Sharia the female victim's testimony alone trumps the testimony of the male accused? A woman could say she was raped in Sharia court, identify her rapist(s), and he/they would be convicted regardless of his/their testimony?
Literally everything I've found says the only way to prove a rape charge like that is either if the accused confesses or if there are witnesses, preferably male.
a woman's word in sharia and islam is as powerful and as efficient on its own as a man's word
No, no it's not. There is no he said she said gridlock. They are not equal.
There are a myriad of examples I could get into, but lets keep our focus narrow and ask why Islamic Law specifically calls for the testimony of male witnesses in any circumstance. If Sharia really treated men and woman as equals, why is the testimony of one gender worth less or worth nothing in any situation?
Have you ever lived in an islamic society? ever understood the sharia law?
Again, I'm not sure why you feel this is required for understanding. I assume you condemn Nazi Germany. You don't need to live in Nazi Germany to know Nazi Germany is bad, or to have an understanding of Nazism.
honestly you made me laugh out loud when you commented about the rape part!! i can see how deep your researches are, and how foolishly you misinterpret everything.
You laughed at my concern for the needless, systematized oppression, terror, and suffering of hundreds of thousands of human beings?
Aisha Duhulowa
Look it up.
It's fucking horrible.
Tell me I need to research deeper than her. Tell me I foolishly misinterpreted her.
And, why don't you come to Lebanon for once, ask all the woman if they are being abused or oppressed (muslim women) and how many will tell you that your interpretation to sharia law is wrong?
You're fucking with me, right? You claim to live in Lebanon and you don't even know they practice French civil law and not religious law? I mean, obviously Sharia courts might still function in Lebanon; they function in the UK, too. But I don't really give a damn about Sharia courts bickering over inheritance money or divorce settlements, like they usually do in non-religious law countries. I care about countries that have based their entire legal system notably or exclusively on a religious basis, because those are the places you see the really disturbing consequences of running a society on scripture and theology. There's a little over a dozen countries like this, and almost all of them are Sharia based.
you can't base your preference regarding only one woman! you heard a bad story about a female being oppressed so you judge an entire religion based on few cases? not, you should not do so.
and yes, if that woman has enough proof that she was raped (marks, DNA tests....) then her word is efficient.
we live in an age where everything changed, including the way we live. The major religion in Lebanon is Islam, and yet all the Christians and atheists and people from all other religions here know sharia law and respect it, because allot of people including you, understand it wrong. what i meant when i said come to lebanon and ask muslim women how are they living is that, Lebanon has all the religions in it, and islam is very respected by all because those people live in a society full of muslims and deal with us all the time, they know islam more than you ever will since they live in a place full of muslims. sharia law here is extended and well known among every religion in its correct way.
Also, yes a muslim would know more about sharia law than you, because we live through it and base our life upon it, therefore we are obliged t thoroughly know every small detail about it.
I'm not basing my opinion on only that one case. If you type "sharia law" into google, you get 10 stories like the one I referenced before for every 1 that's not horrifically similar. Her story is commonplace. It's happening in great abundance. I could list hundreds of names of women in similar situations, but that fact that even one exists refutes your claim.
and yes, if that woman has enough proof that she was raped (marks, DNA tests....) then her word is efficient.
Then it's not actually her word, it's hard evidence. So you haven't actually supported your claim.
The rest of your post degenerated into you basically repeating your hollow point that because I'm not a Muslim and i don't live in a Muslim country I can't possibly understand Sharia as well as you do. You didn't address my refutation of this point (one doesn't need to be a Nazi living in Nazi Germany to know Naziism is bad) at all, you just repeated your point several times. Do you have to be a member of something to understand it? No. So I can understand Islam and Sharia, just like you can know about almost any organization you don't belong to. Do ideologies sometimes brainwash their followers and cloud their point of view? Yes. So in fact there's equal reason to think that you because you are a Muslim living in a Muslim country actually understand Sharia and Islam less than I do.
And even if you make the claim that perhaps a Nazi living in Nazi Germany knew more about Naziism than me as a non-Nazi not living in Nazi Germany, but is my understanding of Naziism so insignificant that I can't condemn the Holocaust? You don't have to be a Nazi to know that gassing innocent Jews was a bad thing to do. Similarly...
You don't need to be a Muslim to know that torturing little girls to death for the crime of being gang-raped is bad.
During this time, she was reportedly extremely distressed, with some individuals stating she had become mentally unstable.(Aisha)
It was this act that resulted in her being accused of adultery and detained. None of men she accused of rape were arrested. and by that they do not clarify that a woman's word is not the same as a man's...that is simply one person's word against three....and she has a history according to what the testimony of many people says...
You do understand that her mental instability probably occurred as a result of her, a child, being gang-raped and then detained by fanatical militia hellbent on killing her for it. I would probably lose my shit, too.
And I really can't understand you. You see nothing wrong with the fact that there was no investigation? You see nothing wrong with the potential criminals being allowed to walk free and the potential victim being detained? You see nothing wrong with a woman trying to seek justice for being raped and ending up condemned to die for sleeping around? You see nothing wrong with slowly torturing a 13 year old girl to death?
Because that's how Sharia operates, when and where it's allowed to.
Can't you see how rape has been institutionalized by Sharia? If a woman tries to report a rape and is unable to prove her charge, she instead faces the death penalty for either "having sex" (getting raped) before marriage or for "cheating" (getting raped) on their spouse. That in itself it too much. If you try to report a rape and can't provide sufficient evidence, the consequence should not be death by pelting with rocks. That's fucking barbaric.
And then there's the issue of what counts as evidence in a Sharia court, which is what we were talking about before. It's concerning, given the high stakes, that the word of a woman is not always equal to the word of a man in Sharia. If you're prepared to sentence little girls to die for not being able to prove that they were raped, I would think you would want the playing-field to be as equal and even as possible, and not discriminate based on gender.
All three can be and have the opportunities to be peaceful and do good things but all three have been violent in the past so they are as good/bad as each other
Not quite, look at Israel bombing the crap out of the Palestinians and I dont think it'll take a lot to trigger off some of the Christian nutballs that are out there.
look at M_Sarmad_S's comment that he loves Allah more that his life... he is a potential terrorist... I've reported him. He is really dangerous he probably dreams about killing non muslims
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Do I really have to list all 109 verses about killing unbelievers? Or I've already made the point of this debate that Islam is less peaceful than more evolved religions?
Not quite, I agree, but it's a no contest when it comes to which culture is more peaceful. Israel might be engaged in some violent and complicated political struggles, but at least they're not executing apostates at half time during football matches in addition to being engaged in some violent and complicated political struggles.
Being Christian we must be faithful we are all Gods deciples and we must say that yes our faith is more peaceful considering that God has taught us to love oneanother no matter color, looks or where your from because of being Christian we are faithful to God who will protect us in the time need
I believe that there is indeed no peaceful nor violent religion in particular since each have their own good and bad sides. Comparing them is futile since it really depends on the person if he will live a peaceful life.
