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Abraham said, after he was told to sacrifice his son, that he knew God would provide a sacrifice for him. He was told by God through some sort of means in actual language: God spoke directly to Abraham. The only thing we can take it on is faith that God is just and truthful, and was actually speaking to us, which is to say that we take it on faith that we are not insane. In practicality, I would probably go to a doctor and a pastor first, then, if the messages continued, in a very obvious and profound fashion, then I would.
Your willingness to harm yourself or others because of some voices in your head, even hypothetically if it was god telling you to do such a thing there is no need to act upon those orders, i would gladly suffer the consequences of disobedience and the full wrath and judgement of god them to follow such orders.
Your willingness to harm yourself or others because of some voices in your head, even hypothetically if it was god telling you to do such a thing there is no need to act upon those orders, i would gladly suffer the consequences of disobedience and the full wrath and judgment of god them to follow such orders.
If it is God he will send out his righteous wrath. He only did that in ancient Israel mostly.
Bigot lol, I'm not the one hating people, or willing to harm a soul, and I'm sorry but your kind will eventually go away, just like the thousands of other gods and religious fundamentalist thought history, my kind shapes the future and social evolution of humanity, your kind does nothing but hinders it.
Bigot lol, I'm not the one hating people, or willing to harm a soul, and I'm sorry but your kind will eventually go away, just like the thousands of other gods and religious fundamentalist thought history, my kind shapes the future and social evolution of humanity, your kind does nothing but hinders it.
I read the bible, i was a Christian for many years, reading the bible front to back is what made me a non believer. Even in the unlikely event that the god of the bible is true i will still not submit because i find that god ato be a moster thats demands obedience and lacks true compassion, i would suffer what ever that hateful god has in store for me gladly then to follow such immortality.
No i cant hate them, i feel sorry for them, they are victims like i was at one point in my life, they have been lyed to, i want to help them see reason and logic, i will never say there is no god 100% however i will say that the god of all the man made books are 100% untrue.
In practicality, I would probably go to a doctor and a pastor first, then, if the messages continued, in a very obvious and profound fashion, then I would.
I hope you would afford the same courtesy to your children should you have any and should the voice of God one day command you to murder them...something Abraham and countless decent God-fearing Christian folk never did.
Everyone has a desire to keep living. You claim that we ought to just kill ourselves, therefore contradicting our desire to keep living. Obviously, the burden of proof is on you. It may just be a matter of opinion, but until you argue in favor of it, your claim can be disregarded. Your opinion is bad.
Everyone? Not true. Those whom commit/will commit suicide, no longer had/have the desire to live. Thus it is a matter of opinion.
You claim that we ought to just kill ourselves, therefore contradicting our desire to keep living.
The only contradiction here, is the one which was caused by first statement of your post.
And I was posting that last post to end this little thing, since the point can't really be argued any further, but some people just like to have the last word I guess. (oh, but now someones gonna think, "looks like you're doing the same thing", but it was obviously just to refute the lame point that the opposition was trying to make.)
Those whom commit/will commit suicide, no longer had/have the desire to live.
Why is suicide then described as the most courageous act possible? People hesitate before committing suicide.
I didn't say that people can't have contradicting desires. They do, people long for non-existence all the time. For people who commit suicide, this desire for non-attachment is stronger than their desire to live. But even if this other desire is stronger, there's still a desire to live. Do you honestly think people who commit suicide are happy? If they had no desire to live, they would be happy to kill themselves. Yet they are always unhappy. The only exception to this rule is probably those deep down in the depths of psychosis, but I don't think these cases are relevant. So no, the fact that people commit suicide does not contradict this generalization.
I don't think those cases are relevant because we can't properly understand these people. We have no means of knowing whether they actually have a desire to continue living. Since we can't know much about them it's better to exclude them from this particular discussion.
The same way that I can prove that objects accelerate with 9.8 meters pr second pr second towards the ground in a vacuum. I observe that objects will move towards the ground in this particular manner in each and every situation. Then I use inductive reasoning to prove that the above statement is a fact.
It's easy to see that people have a desire to live, if no one had that everyone would be killing themselves happily, spontanously and without internal conflict. Since this is wrong in each and every person it must be true in each and every person that they have a desire to live.
People with no desire to live, but a desire to avoid pain would obviously find ways to commit suicide without inflicting pain to themselves. A heroin overdosis would probably serve this purpose.
And not be afraid because you don't want to die, but because you don't know what being dead is like.
Good point, I don't know anything about death, which is obviously terrifying.
Now this argument can be turned on it's head if we agree that to desire an aspect of something, means that you desire that something to some extent. I may dislike the sourness of apples but I desire the sweetness. The idea is that I may not like apples overall, but I do want that sweetness, so to some degree I desire apples.
A person who is afraid of dying because he doesn't know what being dead is like prefers the security of knowing what living is like. So there's an aspect of life that he desires, he desires the certainty associated of living. So if we apply the idea above it's given that since he desires an aspect of life, he desires life to some extent.
Well, I'll just add you to the list of sociopaths here.I'll be studying you more thoroughly from now on, just so you know. Though you don't seem to be that interesting of a subject, but we shall see.
Any time someone kills themselves, it is because God technically told them to.
Since he is God, then he knows everything, and therefore knows all possibilities, which also means he knows how a particular situation will turn out, without even commencing the start of the situation. So by choosing this specific path to go down out of the many possible paths, means that he planned it to happen that way...but I'm just rambling here...zzz
If he doesn't know everything...
What justifiable reason could there possibly be to kill myself? Just because God told me to?
Yes, because God is justice and isn't to be questioned. Haha. Don't think so.
Simply because He has chosen a certain path for a person, it does not mean that He has told them to commit suicide. It simply means that He has determined the choice of the person who commits suicide. Hence, we have a division of a revealed and divine will.
Any time you make a decision, it's because something told you to, whether it's your brain chemicals responding or another person. God causes those chemicals to react/respond by aligning his creation to do so, therefor he is telling you to do it.
It's the same situation as a scientist controlling a lab rat.
Any time you make a decision, it's because something told you to, whether it's your brain chemicals responding or another person.
Brain chemicals do not tell one to do something. They make someone do something. There is a clear difference between telling someone to do something and making someone do something.
There is a clear difference between being told to do something and being made to do something. Until you can equivocate the two, then this debate is over.
