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Absolutely. We should also extend section 28 to include heterosexual activities. Schools are not around to promote sexual living, that's what TV is for. Why should the same place that teaches about math and English also be used to actively tell people to go have sex.
I agree... I thought the word "promotion" was incorrect but Jungel-boy says that's what this section 28 says and no school should be promoting any sexuality.
Oh now thanks for spelling that portion of my name right, not being sarcastic by the way. yeah I don't mind Jungel-boy, as long as you get the EL the right way round.
i always knew how to spell your name... you missed the point. Jungel means nothing... Jungle-boy sounds like you're Tarzan's sick-kick or something... they're both pronounced the same.
Schools are a place to teach youngsters. If that includes PSHE, then fine. Our school has and I am much the better off for it. Hell they were giving out sex help vids in year 5! ( Age 9)
Did your parents get that kind of education? Did their parents? Isn't this something new? Well, my point is that they were able to figure it out. Why do schools need to teach it?
People got by just fine without emails, phones, the internet, e.t.c. Doesn't mean they are of no use now. If the parents feel they are incapable of suitable raising such matters with their child/children, then it may be better for professional help. if your child has a mental health issue, you take them to a professional don't you? You don't try to cure it all by your self. I mean you do help it on your own, but sometimes, people need a little extra help. See how that relates, hmmm?
Sorry? Is sex education about promoting underage sex? I don't think so. it does quite the opposite. it tells you about safety and boring crap like that, the law, contraception, how everything works, e.t.c. Not just about doing the nasty like you might think it does. See you never had it and think " Well I didn't have it and I'm fine, so there's no need for anyone else to have it."
And yes, as you have the general pediatrician giving advice, as he/she is trained to do, you have the sex education specialist ( often along with other things) giving advice, as he/she is trained to do.
Sorry? Is sex education about promoting underage sex? I don't think so. it does quite the opposite. it tells you about safety and boring crap like that, the law, contraception, how everything works, e.t.c. Not just about doing the nasty like you might think it does. See you never had it and think " Well I didn't have it and I'm fine, so there's no need for anyone else to have it."
Is section 28 against promoting or discussing? I was talking about promoting sex.
And yes, as you have the general pediatrician giving advice, as he/she is trained to do, you have the sex education specialist ( often along with other things) giving advice, as he/she is trained to do.
Did you actually have a sex education specialist teach you, or was it just one of your teachers? If they had a specialist, I might not think it was so bad.
Ja, her name was Miss Maybe, and she worked at so-and-so hospital. She was a PSHE specialist and mainly specialised in sexual health, who came in and taught us many wonderful things. hence my repeating the word 'professional' several times, not just some maths teacher. And I think I am crossing over between two debates I am tired it's 1:00am here bye bye!
I promise not to attack you in this debate. You can give your real opinion.
Do you think sexual education is ok? Like how babies are really made. What about something like that that would prevent unwanted pregnancy? Is that bad too?
I think sexual education is okay on how to make babies and how to prevent unwanted pregnancies so that students know this information. And also know about STD's.
They could make it clear that any sex could lead to diseases and it could apply to homosexuals as well without having to mention homosexuality. That might work actually.
I wish I had a better idea of what homosexual sex education would be about. Otherwise, I don't see a reason to teach it, except for the STD part. Maybe there is something I am missing.
I wonder what that Russian asshole will say? But anyway, I don't know that this needs to be enforced but who is doing the promoting anyway? Like... why promote homosexuality in the first place? Why promote any sexuality? I don't get it... (also, I don't really care, I just want to see if BigOats is going to explode when he sees this, :))
But seriously... I think your use of the word 'promotion' is wrong... why would anyone be "promoting" homosexuality? Don't you just mean that this section 28 opposes the teaching about homosexuality? I mean, they do exist so I don't really care if teachers say that but teachers shouldn't be promoting it... that sounds like they're trying to convert people to being that? Maybe it's just me... I think better when I'm drunk.
No, I'm not going to look it up... I don't really care but teachers shouldn't be promoting any sexuality so maybe there is a reason for it to be enforced... maybe I'm reading too much into the word 'promotion' but that's doesn't sound right.
Like I said, not my choice of word..! Pretty much teachers saying " And homosexuality should not be ashamed of, if you are a homosexual, you should embrace that, as it is who you are..." E.t.c. Or any other sexuality I guess. I made a list of all of them on another debate, had about 10 or 11 I think..
Yeah. I could give a shit about this topic or whatever; but to your point about the word 'promote', people use words without really considering their definition.
Gays have rights. It is wrong for schools that get my tax dollars to enforce religious stereotypes with government money. Such actions are forbidden by freedom of belief laws.
Well, not everywhere. But that's not even the point. This law does not restrict their rights in any way.
It is wrong for schools that get my tax dollars to enforce religious stereotypes with government money.
It is wrong for schools that get my tax dollars to promote sexual behavior with government money when they should be promoting math, science, history, and English.
Such actions are forbidden by freedom of belief laws.
What the heck? Cite the law that is in contradiction with this one.
It is wrong for schools that get my tax dollars to promote sexual behavior with government money when they should be promoting math, science, history, and English. Students have the right to be educated. They have the right to know about how to maintain their reproductive health. I am not saying to give them porn. That would be dumb. I am just saying that schools do not have the right to say that being gay is wrong or being straight is wrong. That is a religious question that is between someone and their God.
What the heck? Cite the law that is in contradiction with this one. The First Amendment forbids the government dictating religion. Freedom of belief is a right.
Perhaps. Why not make the most of that right then and educate them with what they need to succeed in life? Agreed.
Ok... but this debate is about promoting homosexual behavior. The contention is that educating students about these things is promoting it. I contend that it is not.
How does religion have anything to do with this? Promoting sexual behavior in schools is opposed by many non-religious people as well. Nope. Most arguments against homosexuality are based on religious arguments.
The description says promote. I didn't just make that argument. No, the poster of this debate did not make those words. He is just quoting.
Not relevant. I'm saying promoting any kind of sex in school is opposed by more than just religious people. 1. Yes, relevent. 2. Students need to learn sexual responsibility.
No, the poster of this debate did not make those words. He is just quoting.
Exactly. That would mean it's about sexual promotion, not education. Thanks for proving my point.
1. Yes, relevent. 2. Students need to learn sexual responsibility.
Well, yes. But again, we're talking about sexual promotion, not education. Students do not need to learn responsibility. People do. The debate is whether school is really the appropriate place for this to be taught to children.
Exactly. That would mean it's about sexual promotion, not education. Thanks for proving my point. I have no proven your point. There is a difference between education and promotion. Education is saying "this is how things usually work if" and promotion is saying "this is how things should work". Do you see the difference?
Well, yes. But again, we're talking about sexual promotion, not education. Students do not need to learn responsibility. People do. The debate is whether school is really the appropriate place for this to be taught to children. Well screw you for being logical! Just kidding, I agree to a point. I will break your statement down to what I agree with and why.
We're talking about education, not promotion. I completely agree with this statement.
Students do not need to learn responsibility, people do. Yes, and the sooner the better.
The debate is whether school is really the appropriate place to be taught to children. Agreed, but my conclusion is different than yours.
I'm on this side since 'promotion' is too broad and could be applied to just being in public. Being homosexual would be 'illegal' due to this loosely phrased term. As for schools that aren't universities, I don't think it should be 'taught' or otherwise promoted more than heterosexual things. Perhaps you'd learn about orientation, but that'd be it. As for Universities, well, each one is different. There is a gay group that's allowed by my University. For me it's not a big deal, but I'm sure for some of the students it's essential as it allows them to connect with other like-minded individuals without too much fear of rejection and other forms of harrassment.
In any case, from what I've read here, Section 28 seems foolish to me.
As for the debate creator's stance, saying 'if you're a decent person, say no' is rather under-handed and, if I might speak frankly, something an asshole would say. People are entitled to their opinions, aren't they? At least, that's what they seem to think here in America. If people want to hate on me, that's fine, so long as they don't threaten my personal safety or mental well-being.
So stop priming peoples' answers by saying 'no' is the only 'correct' viewpoint.
Because, let's face it, heterosexuality is the norm and is why the human race still exists today.
Do you mean section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988? You know it has now been repealed right?
No it should never have been enforced. It prevented gay support groups being formed at university. Unlike what people have said in the other column 'promoting' homosexuality isn't about wiping your dick out and inviting people to an orgy - its about, amongst other things, promoting the idea that its okay to be gay and to talk about it.
(a)intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality;
(b)promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship."
Local authority means school districts in USA I think.
Both sub-sections should be read together. Despite what people in the other column have said, its clear the intention of this legislation isn´t to promote sex in schools but rather to promote that its okay to be gay - something that is extremely important to children and adolescents that have those feelings.
