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The Bible is good because it provides us history of what happened in the past like in the Old Testament. Without the Old Testament we wouldn't know that God created the earth and other things that happened in the Old Testament and the miracles He worked with other people (Moses) .
The Old Testament prophecied of the coming of the Messiah and it became true because look at the New Testament. Also in some parts of the Old Testament it prophecied the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The New Testament was the fulfillment of the prophecies of the coming of the Messiah and that He would save us from our sins because no one was worthy enough to die for our sins and so Jesus stepped in and showed us how to live life properly.
The Bible has influenced civilizations, and has transformed lives.
Without the Bible we wouldn't have any evidence that God existed and Christianity wouldn't be around.
The prophecy of the messiah was fulfilled by Isaiah himself. He had prophesied a a baby would be born that would end a war, and lo and behold, it was born just in Isaiah 8.
Jesus's prophecy had already come true.
But either way, the Bible's history is wrong. You are taking a book far too seriously. The history of the bible is nothing more than a bunch of myths. Yes, they did take place long ago, so it would make sense that some of them are true, such as your King Herod's coin thing, but in general, if you do research, rather than closing your mind to contradicting info outside the bible, you would quickly learn that you are wrong for several reasons.
The prophecy of the messiah was fulfilled by Isaiah himself. He had prophesied a a baby would be born that would end a war, and lo and behold, it was born just in Isaiah 8.
So what your saying is that Isaiah rode on a donkey, died on the cross for our sins, healed the sick, and opened the eyes of the blind, told parables, and rose again from the grave? You said that the prophecy of the messiah was fulfilled by Isaiah.
Isaiah didn't fulfill any prophecies. All he did was write the prophecies.
Before you start throwing chapters out in the Bible and taking them out of context actually read what the Bible has to say on that particular verse. And what you said about Isaiah being the messiah is false.
Isaiah 7:14 says "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Isaiah 8:3 says Then I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. And the Lord said to me, "Name him Maher-Shala-Hash-Baz.
Chapter 7 of Isaiah was talking about the Messiah (Jesus Christ) and same thing with Chapter 8.
But either way, the Bible's history is wrong. You are taking a book far too seriously. The history of the bible is nothing more than a bunch of myths. Yes, they did take place long ago, so it would make sense that some of them are true, such as your King Herod's coin thing, but in general, if you do research, rather than closing your mind to contradicting info outside the bible, you would quickly learn that you are wrong for several reasons.
No the history of the Bible is not a bunch of myths. Why did God tell Isaiah and all the other authors of the Bible to record what happened? God wouldn't lie about anything to anyone about what happened.
I have done lots of research and I find out that the Bible is not contradicting and I learned that the Bible is right and not wrong.
Archaeologists and scientists keep trying to find fault with the Bible and they keep getting stronger and stronger evidence that the Bible is true and not a myth.
Archaeologists and scientists keep trying to find fault with the Bible and they keep getting stronger and stronger evidence that the Bible is true and not a myth.
In fact on the contrary. All the evidence they find proves more and more that the Bible is utter crap, that all of it is made up.
If they would be finding evidence for the Bible to be true then they would also be finding evidence for Harry Potter and LOTR and all other fantasy works that exist, and do not even exist yet, to be true also.
Have you no sense of true and false at all? A sane person could rather easily discriminate fantasy and reality. Considering that you cannot do that, what does it say about you? That you have serious mental issues, for one.
"In fact on the contrary. All the evidence they find proves more and more that the Bible is utter crap, that all of it is made up."
Such a statement is, of course, backed by the several decades of Nummi's experience as an expert archeologist and his extensives research throughout many various sources.
Oh wait, it's probably from another one of his atheist websistes.
Of course there is evidence to support the Bible, otherwise why would so many people believe it for many millenia?
Take the similarities between Egyptian culture and that of the Hebrews. There near identical spiritual texts greatly infers that the Isrealites and the Egyptian spent a lot of time together and we could only expect this familiarity if the Isrealites actually spent 400 years in Egypt, like the Bible depicts.
Quite a lot of evidence used to support atheistic ideals, such as mass fossil graves and locations of fossils can also be used to support the Great Flood in Genisis. There are cases where fossil of aquatic creatures have been found at the top of mountains, which atheists say is cause by the mountain once being a seabed and of millions of years tectonic plates made it a mountain, whereas the fossils could also have got there from the world being covered by water.
Of course there is evidence to support the Bible, otherwise why would so many people believe it for many millenia?
I mean evidence to support what is told in the Bible as real. There is no evidence for that. If you think there is then you don't know what evidence means.
They believe it because their parents did. Children are taught the same crap since birth and it is all they will ever know because saying otherwise will put them in hell. Luckily it is all changing, but slowly.
Quite a lot of evidence used to support atheistic ideals, such as mass fossil graves and locations of fossils can also be used to support the Great Flood in Genisis.
You got your facts so wrong. Nothing realistic supports the great flood. Only fantasy can support it, but fantasy is just that, it's fantasy, speaks for itself, does it not?
Wasn't that flood supposed to be on global scale? Yeah... see, that is impossible. There's not enough water for that, not on Earth anyway.
There are cases where fossil of aquatic creatures have been found at the top of mountains, which atheists say is cause by the mountain once being a seabed and of millions of years tectonic plates made it a mountain, whereas the fossils could also have got there from the world being covered by water.
This is correct, "cause by the mountain once being a seabed and of millions of years tectonic plates made it a mountain". Tectonic plates are in constant movement, have been for millions and billions? of years.
If two plates collapse then over a very long period mountains are formed, if two plates move apart from each other then ocean-beds are formed. Etc.
Fossils are found on mountains because back then, when they died, that place was a low-land.
Your only argument, which is flawed by your beliefs.
"They believe it because their parents did. Children are taught the same crap since birth and it is all they will ever know because saying otherwise will put them in hell. Luckily it is all changing, but slowly."
Most atheists believe it because their parents did, or because they couldn't be asked to go to church on Sunday.
"Wasn't that flood supposed to be on global scale? Yeah... see, that is impossible. There's not enough water for that, not on Earth anyway."
Let's see, there's the fact that the sea covers over 70% of the earths surface anyway and there's a lot of water in aquifers and underground reservoirs. The frozen ice at the poles also accounts for a lot of water, so I don't understand how you can conclude that there isn't enough water on Earth (unless you have a deformed view on "reality")
"This is correct, "cause by the mountain once being a seabed and of millions of years tectonic plates made it a mountain". Tectonic plates are in constant movement, have been for millions and billions? of years.
If two plates collapse then over a very long period mountains are formed, if two plates move apart from each other then ocean-beds are formed. Etc.
Fossils are found on mountains because back then, when they died, that place was a low-land."
Wow, you've just repeated my argument I said the evidence for a billion year old planet can also be used to support creationism. Let me repeat my argument for you:
"There are cases where fossil of aquatic creatures have been found at the top of mountains, which atheists say is cause by the mountain once being a seabed and of millions of years tectonic plates made it a mountain, whereas the fossils could also have got there from the world being covered by water."
"There's no such thing as magic. There is? Prove it. And again you can't."
You're right, but it's a bit harsh to refer to the Big Bang and Evolution as "magic".
Your only argument, which is flawed by your beliefs.
Beliefs that come from evidence, logic, reality. How can beliefs based on those be flawed exactly?
Most atheists believe it because their parents did, or because they couldn't be asked to go to church on Sunday.
You clearly don't understand atheism. Atheists aren't atheists because their parents are or are not, and whether they were taught this way or that. They are so because they think for themselves, because they are free to have any thoughts they want. They are atheists because they had no religious, nor any mind changing influence, while growing up. They don't think there is any superior force called God.
Atheism is not something you believe. It is the lack of belief. How hard can that be to understand?
Let's see, there's the fact that the sea covers over 70% of the earths surface anyway and there's a lot of water in aquifers and underground reservoirs. The frozen ice at the poles also accounts for a lot of water, so I don't understand how you can conclude that there isn't enough water on Earth
So stupid...
There is not enough water to reach above the highest mountains. And there have been that high mountains for millions of years. According to the bible, isn't Earth some 6000 years old? A huge contradiction with reality, don't you think so? Clearly not...
If the poles were to melt the earth would not be flooded, sea levels would raise and there would still be a lot of land.
Aquifers and underground reservoirs? Really?
Then there is water in all living organisms on Earth also, let's not leave that out. Squeeze it all out and add to the magic flood.
And there's water in atmosphere also.
Then there is some in compounds of minerals and other molecules.
In fact, let's put all oxygen and hydrogen together to have even more water.
You see where your ridiculousness leads?
(unless you have a deformed view on "reality")
Saying that you should be very certain what you are talking about is true. As in not have a deformed view on reality that you so clearly do have. Ironic, isn't it? You claim me to be something I'm not while you are exactly that.
You are so pathetic that it is sad and funny at the same time.
Wow, you've just repeated my argument I said the evidence for a billion year old planet can also be used to support creationism.
No, it can't. But you clearly lack the intelligence to understand why it can't.
You completely interpret things to suit your personal preferences.
"There are cases where fossil of aquatic creatures have been found at the top of mountains, which atheists say is cause by the mountain once being a seabed and of millions of years tectonic plates made it a mountain, whereas the fossils could also have got there from the world being covered by water."
You don't seem to understand how our planet, Earth, works. I know how it works, not on expert level but enough to differentiate fantasy and reality. Can you do the same? No, you can't.
You're right, but it's a bit harsh to refer to the Big Bang and Evolution as "magic".
??? What your precious book describes is all magic. Magic is part of fantasy.
Is evolution fantasy? No, because it has so much evidence to prove it real.
Big Bang? The highest probability, and tests, experiments, calculations, logic, etc., so far, approve it. While there is none for creationism, and fantasy is not evidence.
In fact on the contrary. All the evidence they find proves more and more that the Bible is utter crap, that all of it is made up.
No it doesn't prove that the Bible is utter crap. It strengths people's arguments about the Bible. Many archaeologists thought that King Herod was never a real King but they found coins bearing King Herod's name on it.
If they would be finding evidence for the Bible to be true then they would also be finding evidence for Harry Potter and LOTR and all other fantasy works that exist, and do not even exist yet, to be true also.
Harry Potter is not real because it has magic and I don't see magic like I see in Harry Potter. Lord of the Rings is also not real because it is just a story book. There is no evidence that LOTR is real and Harry Potter where as the Bible is true because their is evidence.
No it doesn't prove that the Bible is utter crap. It strengths people's arguments about the Bible. Many archaeologists thought that King Herod was never a real King but they found coins bearing King Herod's name on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... Keep on denying reality.
Harry Potter is not real because it has magic and I don't see magic like I see in Harry Potter.
Can you walk on water? Can you come back from dead? No? Well, magic right there.
Lord of the Rings is also not real because it is just a story book.
And bible isn't just a story book? Then what is it? The first toilet paper? Wait... they didn't have those back then... A means of manipulation and control through keeping people stupid (now I consider you), seems like it.
It's just a story book. It is a book of myths. The whole thing contains mythology. And mythology is fantasy, all made up by people long dead. Ahh, no point... you're srom - "The Ignorer of Truth".
There is no evidence that LOTR is real and Harry Potter where as the Bible is true because their is evidence.
There is no evidence that the Bible is real where as the LOTR and Harry Potter is true because there (a little correction here...) is evidence. See what I did there, aside the little correction? It is exactly the same what you said, because neither make sense.
Give me evidence for the Bible. You can't 'cause there is none. There is? Then why have I never been provided any when I asked for some? The same applies to all other fantasy works, because they are fantasy works, should speak for itself. Obviously does not in your case (and so many others). Says a lot about your mind, that it's messed up real bad.
"Can you walk on water? Can you come back from dead? No? Well, magic right there."
Can you create the whole universe from nothing?
"And bible isn't just a story book? Then what is it? The first toilet paper? Wait... they didn't have those back then... A means of manipulation and control through keeping people stupid (now I consider you), seems like it."
You don't know what "stupid" is. Often your argument is based on the fact that you believe the other person is "stupid".
"It's just a story book. It is a book of myths. The whole thing contains mythology. And mythology is fantasy, all made up by people long dead."
Once again this is all opinion, I could say "Science is a bunch on myths and is used to control the stupid population to let their weak minds cope with sin"
"Ahh, no point... you're srom - "The Ignorer of Truth"."
That's so ironic it made me laugh.
"There is? Then why have I never been provided any when I asked for some?"
For the same reason you were unable to provide me with evidence the Scandinavia were the best countries in the world.
You saying that means what I said also applies to you. Thanks for enabling it so short.
Can you create the whole universe from nothing?
Umm, you cannot create things from nothing... Creating things from nothing is what your religion states. Before stating things like what you did, educate yourself first so you wouldn't come off as stupid (too late for that now though).
You don't know what "stupid" is. Often your argument is based on the fact that you believe the other person is "stupid".
Do you think what your precious book claims is real? Is the answer I hear yes? There you go, you are stupid for not discriminating reality and fantasy. I observe first, then I begin calling names and things like that.
Once again this is all opinion, I could say "Science is a bunch on myths and is used to control the stupid population to let their weak minds cope with sin"
You are so right here. Assuming science did not have soooooo much evidence backing it up.
Science reflects reality. How does that make people stupid? I fail in understanding that. (There's nothing to understand about delusional opinions, other than the fact that they are delusions.)
That's so ironic it made me laugh.
Yeah, I know. The same applies to you, what a coincidence. Glad you could see it yourself, seriously, how long could you keep on denying reality? Oh, wait, you misunderstood as usual? So, back to "normal" then?
I'll explain a little (not that there's any point but why not, for fun?). You ignore all logic and evidence given to you while you claim fantasy and magic as real. Ironic, eh?
For the same reason you were unable to provide me with evidence the Scandinavia were the best countries in the world.
This is another debate, but whatever. I did (welfare for one, I'll leave the religion-atheistic thing out... naah, there are less religious there and that is a huge bonus).
See, the thing is, come out of your little box of lunacy and embrace reality. Seriously, you make yourself look so very stupid and delusional. Don't you care about your reputation as a sane person at all (too late for that though... but still).
A suggestion to you, stop ignoring reality. If you can't do it on your own then find some professional help, you need it.
That's not true at all... You just heard that on your creationist websites. No one actually thinks that.
No I didn't make that stuff up from the bottom and no I didn't get it from a creationist website. I got it from a book called 301 proofs and prophecies by Peter and Paul Lalonde.
I'm on the good side just to make someone grumble, but I have a strange feeling that it's not possible for an inanimate object to have a particular alignment.
It's like calling a rock evil because someone carved a pentagram into it.
Or like calling a pentagram evil because someone said it was evil.
Well, the difference between the Bible, a rock and a Harry Potter novel is that the Bible is filled with rules that people actually believe in and follow. These rules are detrimental to society as a whole.
There's a lot of fairly terrible things you can take away from it, and a lot of fairly good things. So interpretation and what's picked and what's denied is more pertinent than the text itself.
The Bible is good, because its history. Many people who have studied the Bible has indeed found it to be true. Its reliable, also it can really be helpful to become a better person. It has variety of things such as historical pov, poems, the good news, the early church, and signs to things to come. Anybody who reads it should have comfort in it.
Whether you like it or not, the moral teachings of the Bible are very useful, even though it was written about 2000 years ago.
The Bible shows guidance to people who need it, and gives people something to fall back on (religion) if they need it. The Bible explains things people may not be able to understand or comprehend from another perspective and some of the stories that it comprises are very useful for historians who wish to discover more about the past. From it we do not just learn about God, religion, Jesus, and many other interesting things, but we also learn about history, and some things that you may not necessarily expect to find in the Bible.
The Bible contains principles that deal with family life, work habits, and relationships with others. Its principles apply to all people, and its counsel is always beneficial when followed.
Consider Jesus' "sermon on the mount" found in Matthew chapters 5-7. In this masterful teaching, Jesus spoke on a number of topics, including the way to find true happiness, how to settle disputes, how to pray, how to have a proper view of material things. His words are just as powerful and practical todya as they were when he spoke them.
I remember the movie about Gandhi, and how he noted the sermon on the mount, and that no one had "ever tried it", that is, to follow Jesus' advice in it. I remember that specifically because there are so many religions in the world that call themselves "Christian." Yet, considering their behavior, I had to agree with him.
Scripture is a tool. Its just dogmatic text, vague and ambiguous enough to be completely open to self-interested interpretation. Whatever opinions you hold will find verification in scripture. Scripture is not inherently good or evil; it just is. It is the way that people interpret scripture that is important, important because it has an impact on society and important because it truly shows what kind of person the interpreter of the scripture is, and from there we might guess as to if that person is good or evil, but the scripture does not make it so. If you want love and forgiveness and peace, you'll find that in the Bible. If you want sadistic cruelty and vindictive hatred, you'll find that in the Bible. It's which parts catch your fancy, which parts you choose to include in your life - that's what's relevant, here.
That's not true that whatever opinion you have will find verification in scripture.
Churches admittedly have formed "church doctrines", which they hold as a higher authority than the Bible. For instance, one doctrine says that religious leaders are not to be married. But the BIble states unequivocally that this is a "teaching of demons."
1 Timothy 4American Standard Version (ASV)
4 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth.
In this case, an organized religion is holding their opinion, for their own reason, against what is directly stated in the Bible. Nearly all of them do that, and individuals do it, too.
The Bible, really, can be quite specific. It's just that most people want it to seem vague so that they can make excuses for bad behavior. : )
Parts of the Bible are good, because the Bible is trying to make you be a "good person" according to what the god of the bible wants.
Parts of it are evil, because if you stop thinking of the bible as the word of god, you can no longer make excuses. You look at it, every passage, you don't pick and choose and you quickly see that it's completely insane and evil.
Yes, one should be kind to people like Jesus said, but if you are a reasonable and sane person, you don't need a bible to tell you that.
Well, it instructs people on how to live their lives. Which is very un-healthy. It tells you what your morals are, which is bad because as a human being you shouldn't need a book to twll you what your morals are. It is quite sinister in the sense that it promises eternal damnation of you don't abide by it. That's how it works, pretty much pure propaganda.
I don't think I can properly judge an inanimate object's moral character. I'd rather just call it inaccurate.
However the words it contain advocate both good and evil deeds and beliefs. Along with truths and falsehoods and contradictions. But none of the truths substantially prove divinity and absolute moral high ground.
