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He is No
Debate Score:18
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Total Votes:19
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God is God by mathematical and philosophical default

In reality beyond our reality, all things that can exist, do exist, all paths, all possibilities, all times, etc. We are simply the material manifestation of one of those paths.
God is simply the highest possible thing that can be, thus is God by default.

-An immortal omnipotent deity that created matter, doesn't come from matter. Just as a computer programmer is not composed of binary computer code.

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JatinNagpal-(Counter arguments)
"But for the laws you want to use, anything that can be self caused and be made of information (/exist in reality) shall exist.
That's why our universe exists.
Beyond that, invoking God would make no sense. As I said, anything can only be real insofar as it is composed of information."

"Therefore, God is composed of something. Now, you just have to show that such a thing exists that can make an omnipotent entity. And that it can come about in such a way under operations of pure probability.
That's because the man who paints your walls isn't self caused and non physical - if he was, then you should be worried rather than so certain about it."

He is

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Mr_Bombastic(132)
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The universe cannot be explained without a Creator. Everything that happens requires a cause. What caused the universe to appear? It didn't create itself. That violates every bit of observational science in existence. The only explanation is that someone created it.

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JatinNagpal(2678)
1 point

Perhaps you should also be kind enough so as to provide them with context?

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
1 point

There. (Lays pistols on the table and pats them) Now we can be friends again.

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JatinNagpal(2678) Disputed
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I am Death, and little projectile toys don't scare me (sort of... their noise is still annoying... for it disturbs the perfect silence.)

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
1 point

34 seconds of context-

https://youtu.be/vCCGNEV5PWo

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Arsenal(220)
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That first sentence needs a caveat.

It should read that all things are possible to exist in our own imaginations.

God is an example of this.

He's all in your head.

An emotional coping mechanism leftover from the brains evolution when we became self aware and knew we would some day die. Your God is no more than an emotional placebo.

Just because you can imagine something does not equate to it really existing.

I am just now thinking that Jessica Alba is sitting naked on my lap.

Does that mean she is?

You think there is a sky god up there who cares about you.

Does that mean there really is?

Your God is as real as Jessica on my lap.

LOL

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
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-----An emotional coping mechanism leftover from the brains evolution when we became self aware and knew we would some day die----

Not really. I express and feel no emotions. It's all based on simple logic.

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
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-----It should read that all things are possible to exist in our own imaginations-----

The atheist nothing monster that manifested reality from its magical nothingness? Indeed.

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
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-----Your God is no more than an emotional placebo.-----

Not really. He's a part of human history, even according to the writings of his bitter enemies.

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
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-----Just because you can imagine something does not equate to it really existing.-----

Not actually. In infinity, your assessment is false. If there is no infinity, you must explain how time pops into existance and how a basketball can exist inside of nothing.

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
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-----I am just now thinking that Jessica Alba is sitting naked on my lap----

In infinity she must be doing it, somewhere.

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
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-----You think there is a sky god up there who cares about you.-----

Not really. I'm just extremely gifted in mathematics and philosophy, and can see what the plebs seem to be blind to.

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brontoraptor(28599) Disputed
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----Your God is as real as Jessica on my lap.----

I know, and she is.

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Grenache(6053)
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This is just an argument based on definition. You are defining that there must be a highest thing and so therefore there must be a god. That is not automatic. There may be multiple things that compete for whatever is considered the highest thing. Or there may actually be little major difference in power among pretty much everything - meaning it's a pretty flat playing field.

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