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There is no consistency in a theory that supposes that everything exists without any reason or purpose and even goes so far as to say that everything had no origin and came from nothing at all in the end.
Regardless of what you think... there are plenty of other inconsistencies in other theories as well which the less intelligent fail to see. Which is what i was getting at.
I think he might be right. I find myself forced into Atheism because of talking to theists, not because of the inconsistencies. When I see the inconsistencies I feel the religion is wrong, but not until I start talking to a believer do I start with my no God talk.
I responded to you because you said "I beg to differ". I was just providing my personal insight. You do have an interesting point that lower IQs would fail to see flaws.
Debating about religion is like asking if digimon, yu-gi-oh or pokemon is better. They are equally valuable but one just happens to be more popular than the other two. Both have many flaws and advantages for example pokemon could be seen as encouraging slavery since the humans 'own' the pokemon and encage them in a ball whilst digimon are almost equals to the humans.
You are not telling me anything that I do not understand.
I still do not see why you are still disputing me.
Your arguments are not even going against my point.
Most likely because you do not even understand the point. Please realize that you don't understand and stop wasting your time "disputing" my arguments.
Explain to me how your point explains why Atheists have a high IQ and why other religions have higher IQ's than Muslims. If you can't explain this link, then admit defeat.
So what does that prove? Nothing. It proves that out of the select, small, sample of humanity that took this test there was a coincidence whereby those with a high IQ happened to have the higher IQ of the lot.
119 is higher than average. Also, IQ elitism is so ridiculous because there are so many forms of intelligence.
Stalin probably had a low IQ considering that he failed most of his exams and was teased in school for talking slowly. He didn't need a high IQ because he had what is called a high EQ. IQ is only one aspect making up a person and the ability to think fast alone is quite useless in and of itself in this world.
I'm not going to argue that Harvard is lying about these statistics, because I understand that their research is generally very credible.
I've tested very high in IQ, and while my parents have never given me an exact number, they've made it very clear that I clocked in above 140. Because of this, I attended a school for gifted learners, which I successfully got accepted to due to my high scores. I really don't want to give the impression that I'm boasting in any way. I just want to point out that just like with any average statistics, there are existing exceptions.
I think my belief in Christianity is mostly due to being raised in such a religious household. That's not to say that I'm renouncing Christianity, but I can't imagine that I would come to Christianity on my own without parental influence that began at an early age.
This is a really intriguing study though, thanks for sharing.
I am going to attempt to try and clear up this misconception.
Just because you have a high IQ does not mean you are suppose to be an Atheist. These results are just pointing out the Average IQ of each Individual religions.
It is a normal trend for people with higher IQ to be the type to go with cold hard facts rather than beliefs. This can explain why the Atheist section have a higher IQ.
I know of several people with above average IQ and they are all Christians.
Objective/Subjective judgement is what leads people to choosing what they believe in.
What people feel are not Included in IQ scores...
If I am correct then IQ only determines how logical your brain works.
If you are the type that rather makes judgments based off of logic(which is subjective to them) then you could be an Atheist.
You can still have a high IQ, but still base your judgement off of how ideas make you feel. Meaning you ignore logic when It isn't truly needed, but use it when it should be.
People with average IQ don't use logic most of the time, but they have the ability to see logic when it's in-front of them.
Which is why when it comes to religious beliefs it isn't processed through what I call the "Logic" filter. Unless of course Logic is subjective to you and how you govern your decisions.
I just took some unofficial IQ test try and understand why religious people alledgedly have lower IQs. There was one thing that I started noticing when I got to the harder challenges, and that was that I would sometimes get stuck in a specific kind of thinking when I was trying to find patterns. I would try too see if there were permutational patterns, dynamical patterns, patterns of sets, etc, but obviously, rarely more than one kind of thinking led to the solution. One of the hardest challenges of the IQ test was freeing myself from a particular kind of thinking, when it had been unsuccesful for some time.
I think closed-mindedness is the thing making religious people fail at IQ tests. When you are deeply religious, you tend to arrange all phenomenons under one world view, i.e. your religious beliefs. Everything must fit into this scheme. So when religious people take the IQ test, I think they are so used to operating within a particular kind of thinking, that they are simply incapable of looking at a problem from different angles. Throughout all their life they have been encouraged to be belief, that their religious beliefs are the final account of everything, so naturally, they think the same goes for the IQ test. If a certain kind of thinking doesn't work it's because they haven't tried hard enough.
I think you should have just posted the results instead of the video...lol
These results are in fact...the facts, but trying to say only the averagely intelligent and dumb are religious, is not a fact.
Choosing religion is only a matter of opinion. Trying to force your opinion as a fact is some type of logical fallacy I am assuming...Which is what a lot of Atheist try to do...which is no different than what a lot of religious people do.
You don't get IQ tested based off of your opinion...well if you did answer the test based off of opinion you most likely would get a low score anyway...considering logic is required...logic=fact...fact=opposite of opinion...
These videos can cause people to believe that what these scores mean is that only the dumb and averagely intelligent are religious. Which could cause them to sway away from the facts and call the results false...
Another reason why the results could hold up...the % of the Atheist population is small..aswell as the % of people above 110 IQ. Using the actual % for the comparison and not the actual number value...
Facts from one of Americas ivy league universities clearly has more validity over anyone's rebuttal disputing the fact, I'm sorry, but facts are facts.
The IQ test is able to test one's ability to retain information and immediately facilitate it into a means of finding a solution to a proposed problem.
This form of intelligence alone is required only about 20% of your daily life. Social pleasantness, emotional intelligence and physical agility (which is more to do with the brain than the body) are all essential to survive int his world as a human being.
Perhaps religion was a way to keep people from becoming nerds because, as admirable as nerds are, if everyone was a Bill Gates who would produce the food that feeds the man?
At the end of the day intelligence and IQ are completely independent and irrelevant aspects of a personality.
You were indoctrinated into Christianity and that belief was reinforced and maintained by your parents which locked it in strongly, thus inhibiting your ability to take in non religious information.
Now i understand. My father does not go to church, neither did my mother. In essence i was never forced. In fact, I only went to church on a Christmas day, not because it was godly, but it was rather customary. I can honestly say I went by my own free will. I believed by my own free will and understood by my own free will. But enough about my own life, why do you think intelligence can be measured? What if the whole IQ thing is skewered to benefit atheists?
Okay that makes sense. I dont think the IQ tests are skewered to fit any religion of lack therof. in fact im almost positive the people who created the form of testing didnt mean for it in any way to have these results. However, the type of test is sort of better suited to atheists. IQ as you know isnt based on how many facts you know like, what is the capitol of Alabama or what is 18X12^5. Its about thinking, reasoning, memorizing, and analyzing information on the fly. Atheists happen to be very good at this because we rely very very heavily on our ability to analyze information and reason that our atheistic standpoint is the most logical. That isnt to say religious people arent intelligent, theyre just focused in different areas. You might have an atheist who can reason really well but is a total moron, and a christian who is an aerospace engineer but doesnt really concern himself with debate and questioning and reasoning.
I doubt that atheists are inherently better at reasoning that people from religious backgrounds. And reason under what category?
The reason why this upsets me though is that every article I go to, when I look at the forum every single atheist is so pompous and full of shit just because of a study. Just like how every time I argue with an atheist the first thing that comes up is an ad homenism.
Oh, okay then. I understand what you are saying but before I end this, I just want to say that capabilities of reasoning are not always the same, they vary according to subject. For example, I might be adept at literature but suck at chemistry because I lack reasoning capability in one. I think you already said that but making sure I just clarified.
That's not true, I took the Mensa official test an my IQ is 118, and there are quite a few people on this site who are more intelligent than me. That crap about average IQ's of '90' is total rubbish, even by American standards..!
I AM MAKING A STATEMENT, NOT AN ARGUMENT! Not looking for a long debate here..!
I agree somewhat, my IQ tested at 121 and I know believers higher then me, I honestly believe it's the fundamentalist that are making all believers seem dumb, you know the ones that dispute science with the 6,000 year old earth and the Noah flood, those types of believers, but believers that understand the scriptures are books written to explain the unknown of that time and take those books with a grain of salt most likely would score average or high.
Just because people have a religion doesn't mean their that the IQ is low. I know people who are very religious and they are smart as well and they have high IQ's. I should test my IQ but I don't know where I can test my IQ really.
Well you seem to be, but I can't tell because your IQ is mainly about how well your minds works, not what you know. Which is why IQ tests are never general knowledge quizzes..! Always things like "what is- 12 S of the Z".
While IQ tests can be quite predictive of general intelligence, it's important to remember that they don't purport to tell the whole story of a person's abilities. Things an IQ test doesn't measure include creativity, emotional sensitivity, social competence, various acquired skills and many other things that usually fall under the general heading of intelligence. So a person who displays exceptional creativity, for example, may only manage an average IQ test score.
I resent this because having a high IQ is something that does not make you smarter than anyone else. This just proves to me that atheists are full of shit.
Ok someone fucked up. I mean come on someone with an IQ less than 64 is either an infant, or someone who is not independent enough to live by themselves ( a moron..)
I'm agnostic and I find it hard to believe that Harvard went all over the world giving people IQ tests for the sake of this study. If they went by scores of people who took tests in clinics, they need to keep in mind that each test has different meanings in its score ranges, as one test's 145 is a 124 on another test. They also need to make sure that what they are testing is actual intelligence and not knowledge, so they can't ask field-specific questions.
No not at all, I just found it interesting that a Harvard Study came to this conclusion, I have been doing some research on cognitive dissonance and I happen to come across many articles from many different studies done around the world on the subject, needless to say they all came to the same conclusion.
I don't think any less of a anyone that believes just wanted to point this out and hear the response from my fellow debaters on this subject.
Oops. I am sorry, hun. I think it depends on the person. My atheist grandpa is a freaking genious. He knew that greek has capilat letters, and DAMN he is smart.
Yeah it's the person for sure, but according to many studies it seems that the majority of non believers tend to have a higher overall IQ, that's not to say that a believer can't have a high IQ, I know quite a few as a matter of fact, just as a whole they tend to have a lower IQ, my guess it's the extremist ,fundamentalist types that are bring the overall IQ scores down.
I 100% agree that this survey is EXTREMELY bias. In fact I have disputed every argument posted on the other side other than the video. But just saying 'I'm sad' isn't a valid argument.
Actually, the chart shows that religion is important, not God. It is slightly different. You don't fall under the religion category, right? You are a God believer and the conclusion on IQ can't be connected.
