As law? yes, under free speech. As a practice? Not sure. It depends on why you're burning it.
78 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Think about this. If you are burning the American Flag as a protest, ALL that you can be doing is disrespecting the country you live in and all the people who died to protect this country. So as a practice, that is the only result of burning it. If it is not out of protest (which the topic doesn't claim) than it's for ceremonial purposes. Any flag that touches the ground must be burned in a ceremony, commemorating the importance of America and Independence. I'm fine with it as free speech. But I disapprove of the act.
78 days ago | Tagged As: No
It's representative of the country "going up in flames." Just like any act of protest it is done to bring attention to a particular action, or lack there of, that the protestor disapproves of. So just like any act of protest, you must shock people into seeing or understanding your point of view. If you think that the country is failing, burning the flag respresents that pretty well.
78 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Spin it how you want, burning the flag in protest means one thing. Disrespect of what the country stands for (the flag isn't the government, it's America) and those who fought and died for this country. If someone uses the Nazi flag to try and show their disapproval of Israel, everyone will call them a Nazi.
77 days ago | Tagged As: No
If someone uses the Nazi flag to try and show their disapproval of Israel, everyone will call them a Nazi. I don't see the relevance of this. If someone burns the American flag to try to show their disapproval of the country, you can bet they'll be called some nasty things.
77 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Writing off anything I have to say as "spin" is a sign of ignorance. Freedom of speech means you get to speak and feel however you want. If you take it as disrespect to the founders of the country and those who have fought for our freedoms since, then that's your problem. One of your many many problems.
77 days ago | Tagged As: yes
No, that's all it is. If you wish to desecrate the country just because you have a problem with your current leaders, all you're doing is disrespecting the founding fathers and the troops.
76 days ago | Tagged As: No
You seem to have a very strong opinion onnthe subject. And that's "all it is," your opinion.
76 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Welcome to debate. Where the fuck have you been? _ - -_ _ -_ _
76 days ago | Tagged As: No
In a world where facts and statistics matter more than the opinions of pissants like you.
75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Once again, the insults. You attack me for having an opinion on Flag burning (suggesting that an opinion doesn't count) yet you refer to the Ad-Hominem.
75 days ago | Tagged As: No
I'm asking you to understand that your opinion should be open to change based on facts, and that your opinion alone is not enough to change anyne elses mind.
75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Fact: The American Flag represents America and the principles it was based on. Fact: American Soldiers fight for that principle. Fact: Burn a flag in front of an American Soldier, he'll kick your ass. There are your facts.
75 days ago | Tagged As: No
Think of an act of protest as an art. Artist license gives an artist the right to paint a circle and call it a square. That is art, that art proves a point that the artist is making... Or maybe it doesn't. But the artist can do and say whatever. Protest is the same. Just because the American flag is a symbol of the founders of America to you, doesn't mean it is to me. Again, the burning of the flag, to a person who has thought it out, is a symbol of the country going up in flames and a protest to that. If anythig I would think the person who is burning the flag wants to protect the country from it's own administration, in honor of the people who have fought to create and protect it.
75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Anything can be considered art. Someone can shit on a Jewish flag and call it art. But Jews are still going to be offended. If I burn a rainbow flag, I can just use it as an example that the gay marriage debate is "going up in flames" but there's a 99.99% probability that I will be labeled a homophobe buy every gay in the gay community. Burning the American flag is the same. Anyone can create an excuse for it. Doesn't change what it truly is.
74 days ago | Tagged As: No
It was just an analogy. I didn't say labling something as an art gives an artist carte blanche to do whatever they want. There are repricussions for offensive actions, but it's sill art. Don't get your panties in a twist. And no, burning the rainbow flag would be more representative of the gay rights movement going up in flames, so yes, gays would be upset by that image. If an homophobe burns the rainbow flag and a gay person burns the rainbow flag, two completly different opinions are being expressed. Your opinion of what it means to burn the flag is valid, and so is mine.
74 days ago | Tagged As: yes
"you must shock people into seeing or understanding your point of view." Oh come on!. Do you really think that will work!? I don't. I think it will just piss people off.
77 days ago | Tagged As: No
attn ThePyg: have you read the Supreme Court's ruling on why flag burning is acceptable?
77 days ago | Tagged As: yes
I'm not for banning flag burning. But I don't accept the act. The question isn't whether it should be legal, it's asking if it's acceptable. To me, it's not.
77 days ago | Tagged As: No
That wasn't his question. He asked if you've researched the opinions of others, and their reasons for holding those opinions.
77 days ago | Tagged As: yes
I can only presume that the Supreme Court ruled that it was freedom of speech, which i'm fine with. He didn't understand what I was saying.
76 days ago | Tagged As: No
If you're going to refuse to research something, don't bother debating about it.
76 days ago | Tagged As: yes
And now you have no idea what I'm trying to say. Despite the SUPREME COURT RULING, that doesn't change the fact that the burning of the American Flag out of protest is a bad thing to do (if you care about the country). Yes, I agree with the ruling that it is freedom of speech and should not be banned (it was stupid to try and ban it in the first place), but that doesn't mean it's not a bad thing to do. Just like flicking off a soldier or putting up pictures of dead babies. It should be legal, but we can still find it as unacceptable behavior. What surprises me is how i have to tell you MORE THAN TREE TIMES before you can understand it (i can only hope that you understand, now...)
76 days ago | Tagged As: No
That is not what you said. You said you were unwilling to read the notes on the ruling. Also, you cab say anything you want, but it doesn't mean shit until you back it up.
75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Quote where I said "I'm unwilling to read the notes on the ruling". I know the ruling. I've known it since it happened. I was arguing that I don't want it banned, but I still find the act appalling.
75 days ago | Tagged As: No
Actions speak louder than words, and after repeatedly being asked to review the notes on the ruling, you still refuse and lable it unimportant. The ruling alone is one thing. The reasons the judges made that rulng are equally, if not more important.
75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
The only opinions that were open from the Supreme Court were that Flag Burning is part of free speech and can not be punished. I believe i've been saying this since the beginning of the debate. I would like to know what the hell you're actually talking about.
75 days ago | Tagged As: No
Probably one of the dumbest reasons to say it's okay "not the same as it was yesterday". He doesn't even bring up how it's FREE SPEECH. Good job though, irrelevant, but interesting.
74 days ago | Tagged As: No
I wasn't sure whether to click support or dispute, because I both agree and disagree with you here. Yes, it's wrong to disrespect all those who died to protect you and your country, BUT someone could burn the flag in protest of America becoming something they can't believe in. Right now is it appropriate? Probably not. But could it ever be? Maybe. I'm just hesitant to say that ALL flag-burning protests under any circumstances, at any time are or would be wrong--I'd have to know the specific circumstances and reasoning.
78 days ago | Tagged As: No
Absolutely. It's ironic that burning a flag is considered one of the only acceptable ways to destroy a tattered one yet burning for reasons of protest is perceived as near treason. The fact that it's offensive is not enough to deem it unacceptable and is in fact why it's an effective act of protest. Furthermore, for the dissenters, the flag does not represent the same things it does to the patriotic majority. The right to disagree is one of the most fundamental rights we hold in this country. And just as flag burners are welcome to disagree via their flag burning, you are welcome to disagree with their actions. That's the beauty of the USA.
78 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Detestable? Arguably, yes. But "acceptable"? Certainly. Free speech is free speech. It matters not if one disagrees with the idea(s) being expressed.
77 days ago | Tagged As: yes
amen !!! you said it and i 100% agree with yah too many people (not you) don't truly understand the concept of free speech. they think that any speech or expression of speech that they deem in unacceptable and unpatriotic must be banned
77 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Any act of protest that does not infringe on another's rights is perfectly acceptable. However, this kind of protest is not very persuasive.
76 days ago | Tagged As: yes
It's perfectly acceptable. Why not? I understand the symbolic meaning, but, really, when it comes down to it, it's just a piece of fabric in the hands of an angry person with a lighter. I'll never forget my years as a camper at Girl Scout camp. Every morning and evening, we had a flag ceremony, in which a group of girls--different age group each day--would unfold and raise/lower and fold the flag as we recited the Pledge of Allegiance and sang "Taps." A group of six-year-olds had this responsibility one day, and one of the girls accidentally let a corner of the flag touch the ground. I can still remember how horrified everybody was, while I was just like... come on. She's six. And it's a flag. Get over it.
75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
absolutely you should be able to burn a flag. you have the freedom of speech in this country. to protect your self while doing it always have a gun handy.
76 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Yes, it always has been so but never more so than in the Viet Nam era where there seemed to be a flag going up in flames every five minutes. People felt disenfranchised from their own country during this time and they showed it by marching burning the flag and dozens of other types of protests against the war. It was a tragic time.
76 days ago | Tagged As: yes
I think it is very scary when people say things like "burn these stripes and you'll see stars"- this is America. We were born rebels, and we fought for freedom of speech, among other things. What I find really sad is how un-familiar most people are with the proper handling of the flag- like how it should never touch the ground, or how the proper way to retire a flag is to burn it- usually while playing taps. No lie. I am am Eagle Scout, and I know these things. Also, I think it is as offensive to yell "you lie" to a sitting President during a speech to both houses of congress as it is to burn a flag in protest.
70 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Acceptable as law? Sure. This is America and we have the right to free speech. But acceptable as an action? No. I don't find it acceptable at all. You can do it, but I will look down on you for doing it.
78 days ago | Tagged As: No
I would say yes, but there is no real reason to it. It's like saying "fuck" only when you're angry... it means something because you don't usually say it, and it's a pretty bad word, especially to some people, but it's meaningless or useless to say. So as an acceptable means of protest, no. If you're protesting you should have something more meaningful to demonstrate than burning flags.
78 days ago | Tagged As: No
yes i agree with the person named thepryg. Yes we have the right of free speech and we can protest but burning the flag is unacceptable and by doing that just shows how much respect us American citizens have for our beloved country
77 days ago | Tagged As: No
Isn't it against the law? So it's like not acceptable by the norms of society. If you burn a symbol of your own freedom than isn't that asking to be enslaved or deported to a third world country? So no! It most certainly is NOT acceptable!
76 days ago | Tagged As: No
Some people may not see the flag as a symbol of their freedom. They may see it as a symbol of a country they feel has wronged them or other countries.
73 days ago | Tagged As: yes
"Hey thanks for this freedom of speech America. Now I will use it to disrespect you!" Go burn it somewhere els! D<
78 days ago | Tagged As: No
I completely see and sort of agree with your point...BUT at the same time, is it really necessary to insist that everyone who lives in America respects it? What if they don't have the means to move, or all the people they love are here? I just think it's a bit fascist to for a country to demand that its citizens like it...but on the other hand, it does seem kind of stupid to let people in your country burn your flag. I mean, assuming your flag-burning actually does symbolize disrespect for America and not something else(as Pineapple suggested), it is sort of dumb to do that IF you have the means to leave. If you don't, then yeah, that's actually okay with me, I think, because you don't have a choice about living in this country, and you have the right to express your distaste. Another thing is, consider the point of governments. What authority do they REALLY have? All that the people let them, because the people want a good society, and don't want anarchy. But does the government REALLY own this land, if you think about it? In world politics, possession actually IS 9/10ths of the law. Maybe this is a tangent, but what I'm saying is that governments really aren't around to get respect. They're around to help create a decent society. If they're doing a horrible job, but nowhere else is all that better, why can't people protest that on the land that the government "owns"? I'm just saying that governments should have only the amount of authority necessary for a decent society--rules to maintain respect are unnecessary and almost childish(You are on what is "my" land and so you have to be nice). Now...I'm REALLY not sure if that made sense...I was kind of forming my opinions and ideas throughout that, so don't judge me too hard, but go ahead and take it apart(anyone on here. x]).
76 days ago | Tagged As: yes
no how can the burning of flag represent the sign of protest............................it is utter foolishness......................according to me it will increase the pollution rather increase the protest............
77 days ago | Tagged As: No
It is absolutely Unacceptable. It is an illegal act under U.S. Code Title 18, Part1, ยง "Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both." It is irresponsible, and is grounds for imprisonment.
73 days ago | Tagged As: No
ummm.... I'm pretty sure that law was overturned in the 1980's. Look up "United States vs. Eichman". Eichman took this issue to the Supreme Court and won against the United States. His main point was that just because it is offensive to some people DOES NOT mean it should be illegal... I think... I might be wrong, probably not though :)
73 days ago | Tagged As: yes
That is not acceptable if you don't like our country get out!
72 days ago | Tagged As: absolutely disgusting
America is NOT "love it or leave it". Americans have freedom of speech & expression, and burning the American flag is (fortunately or unfortunately) a part of that important history.
21 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Well the constitution says it is acceptable, but it's just about the worst slap in the face for all the people who have made so many sacrifices to give you the best life possible. If saw someone burning the American Flag, I might just hit them back.
7 days ago | Tagged As: No
According to Nancy Pelosi your all just a bunch of ignorant crazy Nazi's out of control.
71 days ago | Tagged As: yes
You've offered absolutely ZERO support of your wild, baseless opinion.
21 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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