I would say yes, but I don't want Garry to come by and accuse me of being a crazy animal murderer again.
I'm going to send him a link for this debate!
As should humans. (We are animals also.) Only animals specifically bred for that purpose, as there are animals bred for food. When it comes to humans then only those who qualify for it, for example criminals who may not be in general population till they die. And through cloning. Then there are the volunteers, for "harmless" experiments, whose effort will of course be compensated.
humans are not animal's and dont say that we evolved from monkeys because we did not Yah Fools
evolution is fake God made you retard learn it. Also Wikipedia is sooooooooo wrong random people put stuff in there and the creator does not even care Yah Fools
god is fake evolution made you retard learn it. do you have any proof that the artilce is wrong besides your mythology book.?
no because you got brain washed by the computer but certainly you don't realize that
because you got brain washed by the computer but certainly you don't realize that says a person brainwashed by Christianity. no of course you don't have proof
srom is my brother he explained it to you but you ignored like selfish fool OH i forget you are fools lol
srom is my brother so thats why your so brainwashed. he explained it to you but you ignored like selfish fool OH i forget you are fools lol he explains things just about as good as you which is quite bad.
my parents taught us about the truth and we choose to believe and srom did brainwash me I choose to follow Jesus unlike you
my parents taught us about the truth if they did then why do you follow a book of mythology and a make belive god? I choose to follow Jesus unlike you and that's your error.
do you even no what mythology is of couse you dont because you have not checked the dictionary
Take the bible to your hands. There you go, you've some mythology in your hands.
that is not proof that the bible is mythology the bible is true history get it in your head
the bible is true history get it in your head so the world is less than 10,00 years old? so someone can live to 800 years old? so the physically impossible great flood happened? that is not proof that the bible is mythology it's more proof then the bible will ever have proving it's not mythology.
God was saying in Genesis 6:3 that He is not going to let man live forever on this present earth in his present condition--yet he will be allowed to live at least 120 years. We know this verse is not talking about the maximum number of years a person is promised to live, because God says, “ yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.” Also, if the 120 years that God was talking about was the maximum number of years that a person could live, then no one would live beyond the age of 120. However, we have plenty of people in the Bible and elsewhere that have lived to beyond 120.
>so the world is less than 10,00 years old Yes >so the physically impossible great flood happened? NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE! and Yes. The bible is true... this just shows that you have no faith. Any religion has faith. Because we believe in a god without seeing them (Or in my case him). But I bet if you saw god or Jesus you would instantly believe and regret following lies. It wouldn't be true faith because true faith is believing without seeing not seeing is believing.
You said, "do you even no what mythology is of couse you dont because you have not checked the dictionary" Then I said, "Take the bible to your hands. There you go, you've some mythology in your hands." Then I checked a dictionary: my·thol·o·gy 1.a body of myths, as that of a particular people or that relating to a particular person 2.myths collectively. 3.the science or study of myths. 4.a set of stories, traditions, or beliefs associated with a particular group or the history of an event, arising naturally or deliberately fostered See, I, for one, knew the definition before I wrote my so very accurate comment.
If evolution were correct, and humans evolved from monkeys, then why are monkeys still around today? There is really no explanation for this, yet this heathen ideal is still taught in our schools. No doubt thanks to the agenda’s being pushed by gays and their liberal co-conspirators to destroy our youth and convert the nation to communism.
If evolution were correct, and humans evolved from monkeys, that their just shows how much you know about the subject. then why are monkeys still around today? because we evolved from a common ancestor. There is really no explanation for this see above. yet this heathen ideal is still taught in our schools. because it's backed by fact. No doubt thanks to the agenda’s being pushed by gays and their liberal co-conspirators to destroy our youth and convert the nation to communism. Is the rest of your family as crazy as you and srom? actually it's because people who actually think for them selves decided that the youth should be taught the truth in school instead of crap like the bible.
Exactly! Scientist's say that when dinosaurs evolved the weaker 'un-evolved' ones died out. So yes why have monkeys not died out? Especially as since scientists insist the worlds been around for millions of years then why wouldn't our ancestor humans kill off the monkeys?
So Mr Bee your saying that Evolution was invented by Commie Gays who are trying to corrupt our youth, wow I never realised, thank God we've got you to save us all. Have you ever heard of a fella lived a few years ago went by the name of Charles Darwin he was married and a Christian and guess what he was the guy that came up with the whole theory of evolution but he was a bit of a Liberal though so maybe he was one of the ones that was planning on teaming up with the Gays to poison the minds of the youth. Jeez in my day it was Sex, Drugs and Rock "N" Roll that was going to be the downfall of the youth now we're in a new Century and it's going to be Education that's going to poison their minds. I'm glad I grew up in a more enlightened age
I created this debate because I wanted to see people's opinion on it Yah fools
>See, I, for one, knew the definition before I wrote my so very accurate comment. Then why copy off of a on-line dictionary if you knew it forehand? When you could made you point better by putting it in you own words making it actually look like you knew it's meaning.
You are missing the point of dictionaries and giving evidence... I knew what it meant but perhaps there was something more to it? Apparently there was not. Before I press submit I tend to make sure I am right (most of the times anyway).
do you even no what mythology is a set of stories, traditions, or beliefs associated with a particular group or the history of an event, arising naturally or deliberately fostered. the bible fits perfectly under that definition.
You fucking retard need come out of your little box of lunacy. Something I also said there, "And there's a long list of references and further reading down there." Down there on the wikipedia page. Prove that God exists. You can't, there's no evidence (assuming we are talking about a very powerful being, not religion-specific Gods because they do not exist). There is only logic that inclines heavily toward God not existing.
give me proof that evolution exist you retard or are you scared cause evolution is not going to save you from going to hell
give me proof that evolution exist read the articles you might learn something. you scared cause evolution is not going to save you from going to hell you only go to hel if your a coward. the Christan hell doesn't exist.
give me proof that god exsist and that the bible tells the truth.
srom all ready told you so im not going to start because someone told you and you choose to ignore it
srom all ready told you no he did'nt so im not going to start because someone told you and you choose to ignore it ok got it you dont have any proof
I just told you ignorant fool that if I start you will say there is no proof
you claim i am ignorant but yet you dont accept anything that conflicts with the bible. if I start you will say there is no proof because their is no proof showing the bible as valid.
I will not check out the link because it is not a reliable source
I will not check out the link because it is not a reliable source got any proof of that?
It is as reliable as it can get; there are references down there as I said. You are sooo brainwashed.
no thats not proof, the reason why cause its fake and you said to srom that Christianity has no proof so im going to say that isn't proof
Christianity has no proof they dont all they have is a book of mythology called the bible.
If humans are not animals then why do they belong to the animal kingdom? If humans are not animals are we plants then? Bacteria?
I have met a few humans that definately were not part of the Animal Kingdom and I think were closer to Plants in fact i'm not sure they were even that evolved
I have met a few humans that definately were not part of the Animal Kingdom and I think were closer to Plants in fact i'm not sure they were even that evolved Then their not humans.
Humans are animals. If not animals then what? Are we also not mammals? Mammals are animals...
humans are humans for crying out loud can't you get it Yah Fools
As dogs are dogs, cats are cats, snails are snails. They are ALL animals, just as are humans animals.
As dogs are dogs, cats are cats, snails are snails that's the same as human are humans
Exactly. And humans are animals, as are dogs and cats and snails. The only difference is that they are of different species, and subcategories.
Snails aren't animals, they're invertebrates
Snails aren't animals, they're invertebrates Invertebrates are animals.
Ever heard of Animal Kingdom? You know, the thing to which ALL animals belong to, including humans. "Animal" is not a species, humans are a species, as are dogs, cats, and snails, and all other animals. And all those species belong to the Animal Kingdom, which means they are all animals.
You are wrong. Humans are mammals and mammals are animals. Do you not know your science? If you don't then you better start before you become an even bigger idiot.
NO YOU ARE WRONG humans are humans, humans are called humans not mammals.Not All creatures are not just mammals
Their is no animal called just mammal Yah Fool
i did not say that i said not all creatures are mammals some are invertebrates and,animals oh and its Yah Fools :p
So you believe humans aren't animals. What are you considered, then? Bacteria? Fungi? Plants? Please explain that to me...
we are considered human. humans are humans; humans are not called animals right
Humans are animals. We are also primates. Seriously, what in the hell are they teaching you in school? Not much, obviously.
if we were primates we would be a monkey but we are not. what are you talking about.
Not all primates are monkeys... good grief, why am I even talking to you?
you were the one that who started it so I thank you for speaking the truth out
speaking the truth out What in the hell does that even mean? Please, there are people from all over the world on this site and you are just embarrassing... I'm ashamed of your education as an American.
it means speak the truth it says it right there you cant see that
What constitutes an animal (taken from Wikipedia): Animals have several characteristics that set them apart from other living things. Animals are eukaryote and mostly multicellular,[4] which separates them from bacteria and most protists. They are heterotrophic,[5] generally digesting food in an internal chamber, which separates them from plants and algae.[6] They are also distinguished from plants, algae, and fungi by lacking rigid cell walls.[7] All animals are motile,[8] if only at certain life stages. In most animals, embryos pass through a blastula stage,[9] which is a characteristic exclusive to animals. - -Human cells have a nucleus, therefore their cells are eukaryotic -Humans are heterotrophs, because we cannot reduce the amount of carbon in our bodies. -We, quite obviously, don't have cell walls, since we don't have the ability to store water within out bodies. -Humans are also motile, since we DO move, and this DOES consume energy. Thusly, humans ARE animals.
you copied and paste that from wiki i dont care i did not read that so its fine. humans are only humans because they are named humans just like animals are animals. Animals are not humans. you are basically saying that animal and human is opposite but their not. Because they are named corectly
Actually, the only thing I copypasted was what exactly constutied an animal. You are mistakenly assuming 'animal' is the name of a specific species. However, human IS the name of a specific species within the animal kingdom. You're using the square-rectangle scenario... Really? -__- Squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares. Humans are animals, but not all animals are human. Get it, moron?
Humans are not their own special class of species separate from all branches within the animal kingdom. Humans are animals.
if they were animals then we humans would be called animals right so humans are humans pay attention
Animal is a classification, not a species, dumbass.
it did not say it was a species you need an eye seriously your eyes must me like a chinese man because you can see that i did not post that duh LOL :P
Humans are animals. Humans are also humans. Please try to use common sense, and perhaps take a class on biology.
Whether you believe in evolution or not, humans are animals. We are apes that fit into the category of mammals and then vertebrates. You don't have to believe in evolution to know that.
First, there is a massive difference between cruel experiments and simple animal psychological experiments. Not all experiments mean dissecting something while it's living or feeding it poison. Most modern experiments are expected to be humane, and have a written purpose. Non-humane experiments, where the animals are kept in filthy living quarters or are treated badly are not experiments I endorse, however, it might still be important to conduct more controversial experiments as well. It is a tough issue, but if you have a hypothesis regarding something, and can prove that you will conduct a test humanely, then I feel that it may be something that one should be allowed to test, provided it will actually prove something. Testing animals for fun is cruelty and nothing more.
Sure! Thats what god put them here for------------------------
No, that's what they evolved for.
Animals evolved to be free not tested on. Every living cell in this universe has the right to be free without being in a cage or container or a restricted area just for them.
On must treat all animals humanely as God commands in the Bible and by Judeo-Christian tradition.
But that would mean I would have to be a vegetarian! Are you joking? You cannot deprive me from what belongs in my mouth. It isn't ethical.
I do love animals but the animals they probably have no where else to go because they are orphans or grew up in a cage and doesn't know how to survive in the wild. Most of the time scientists use animals that aren't endangered. But if you are against this then think of it this way. If any of your family members died from a harmful disease these animals are helping find a cure once the cure is found they do not have to test on the animal any more.
Isn't that why the chicken crossed the road? To help us determine which came first, the chicken or the egg. Also, isn't that how they got the wood chuck to chuck wood so that we could figure out how much wood he could chuck? I think this side is winning ;)
Why yes, and the US government does it all the time. How else can you explain all of the crazy people running around here?
yes, provided that it is conducted under humane conditions
Barely any of you would be alive right now if it were not for scientific experimentation, and that includes working with animals. One can not make drugs or prove new measures designed to aid the biological system without working on a biological system. I'd like to see those that disagree with this form of research, turn down the medicines that will keep them or their loved ones alive, because they feel sorry for the bunnies.
I do not use medicine or drugs. I let my immune system do the work. I just eat the right foods to help. That's how I get better twice as quick if taking medicines or drugs.
I'd like to see you eat your way out of a brain tumor.
I like to see you get hit by a bus before I drown myself in Lake Michigan then.
Not really the same thing now, is it?
You are the dumbest person I have ever met! I thought Rylee Lonske was the dumbest person in the universe but apparently you are!
Don't you tell me what to do! You are not my boss! I don't take orders from anybody and don't you ever call me miss ever again. I'm the rudest craziest chick you will ever meet!
Well, Actually I think you're kind of a wannabe. I mean, you try to be tough.. but I think everyone just laughs at you, because you're a tiny little miss trying to be a tough rockstar. I must say I think hello kitty is more rude than you are.
Ok I think you are correct about hello kitty being more rude than me. I remember I use to be so nice to everybody but of course I got picked on for that so yeah I am embarrassed that I have to admit that you are correct about that but please don't call me a little miss trying to be a tough rockstar. Because I am not a rockstar or a little miss. I am a Tom boy get over that fact that I trying to be tough so then I won't be picked on.
What the fuck is that suppose to mean bitch? I do not troll! You need to get your facts straight! Just because I say something doesn't mean it defines who I am!
Sorry I don't go on wikepedia. I don't trust it because anybody can change things on there and make it not true so I'll find somewhere else on the Internet besides Wikipedia.
Lets see at New Buffalo Middle School Wikipedia is blocked off.
Then your school's administration is a bunch of tards...
The tech department only wants to protect us from sites like face book and twitter and you tube so then we actually do what we are suppose to do and one question. If you are middle shook right now or high school or whatever does your school have MacBooks because right now in my middle school we do and that's probably why it's blocked and not on the older computers that are now gone.
What does preventing accessing to social networking sites have to do with the reliability of Wikipedia? And yes, I am in high school (currently a sophomore). However, my school's administration is intelligent enough not to claim Wikipedia is inaccurate when they know nothing of the statistics.
Because in my middle school we do a LOT of reports and projects that involve computers and research so they restricted it because many people in my school know it is very inaccurate. If you got some scientific evidence that proves this statement wrong please let me know so then I can apologize to you. (you got about less than 1% of me apologizing to you even if you prove me wrong. Just saying)
Fine then you explain why many people in my grade get A's. Explain why then. I like to also see the scientific evidence too!
Grades =/= Intelligence Again, I am not required to give you sort of scientific evidence. I HAVE given you evidence, however, and you refuse to acknowledge it.
How about we just drop it and don't chat or whatever we are doing right now ever again unless something really stupid happens and we must hat or whatever to each other?
Meh. If you want to, feel free to stop responding. I quite enjoy lengthy DEBATES such at this one.
Do you even know what a brain tumor is? I mean what's the chance of me getting a brain tumor? Don't even answer that! I already know the chances so dont even say anything.
Do you even know what a brain tumor is? Yes I mean what's the chance of me getting a brain tumor? Dunno I already know the chances so dont even say anything. What are they?
Less than 1% but as people get older the risk increases. I have less than 1% at my ate but when I get a lot older my risk increases
Cool, so if it happens I'd like to get you into my labs and we can run some studies to see if you can eat your way out of it.
I don't trust oh and if you haven't notice you are my enemy on here so the answer shall and always be no
Dagnabbit, you're too clever.
Oh my god! That's the very first time I have been called clever. I know you were going to do something disturbing to me of I said yes and went over to your lab. I know guys are school who are like that. Very disturbing guys at my school. I'm not even pretty!!!! So why would you want to use me in your "lab"? I got stupid freckles and part of my hair is dyed ultra VOILET. I'm like the second fattest kid in school. There is a 7th grader who's fatter than I am by like maybe 50-70 lbs. (I'm in 8th grade just saying)
You sound far too overly self-conscious...
One more thing. I really really really really really don't care what I look like as long I get very good grades.
All the better for you, then. Although, I'd suggest you strive for something more than just good grades. Intelligence is a marvelous thing. Everybody can acquire adequate grades.
But that is all I have to keep me sane. Really! My good grades keeps me sane. That's all I have. I've got no friends, everybody hates me, all my family members hate me and I always get bullied because I'm fat and too smart for some people.
Can you tell that to Rylee Lonske that everybody can aquire adequate grades because everybody knows his grades and they are all F's and also tell that to Robby Aldrich who is currently repeating 7th grade.
If you can bring them on Createdebate, I'll personally tell them they're idiots. XP
Oh my god! That's the very first time I have been called clever. Relish it. I know you were going to do something disturbing to me of I said yes and went over to your lab. That was a joke as was everything else. I know guys are school who are like that. That perform scientific studies on people? Very disturbing guys at my school. Probably should change school. I'm not even pretty!!!! So why would you want to use me in your "lab"? What has how you look got to do with it. I was saying that seeing as you can eat your way to health you'd make an interesting case study. I got stupid freckles and part of my hair is dyed ultra VOILET. I'm like the second fattest kid in school. There is a 7th grader who's fatter than I am by like maybe 50-70 lbs. (I'm in 8th grade just saying) Although I don't know what age 8th graders are (I'm guessing 15) I can say this: If you feel this way about yourself then the only one that can change it is you, I was sixteen stone two years ago (225lb) so I know your plight. Freckles are cute, so don't worry about them and as for your hair, if you like it stick with it, you're young and trust me when I say this, you'll value your uniqueness more the older you get. If people insult you, you can do one of three things: 1 You can get all butt-hurt about it and become more self involved. 2 You can brush it off and remain unchanged 3 You can use it to motivate you to becoming the person you think you are.
Sorry that's the first time somebody has ever given a compliment. I'm a serious person so I don't take jokes well no offense of course. The guys I meant they are stupid and like to make sexual jokes around people like me. I like my school because well I think there is this one guy who might actually be my first friend but I'm not really sure. He's not like the other guys though. Ummm... Ok I guess but I'm still being cautious! I'm Actaully 14 but I'm used to being called 15 or 16 and once 17. Of course I was called 17 when I was 12. My tue hair color is a dirty blonde and I Actaully almost stabbed one of the stupid guys at school for that with a pencil. I'm used to the insult so I just say ok in a positive way and make people confused and then when somebody asks why I'm not feeling bad or something like that I usually say I've been through this many times so it's not a big deal for me and I do know how to handle things. How is having a million freckles cute? I'm the only anti-social freckled freak at my school!
I really hope by what you mean isn't what I'm thinking right now.....
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Wait do you mean I run or you running away because I'm fat and ugly? Really which one is it or is it both?
Well. We can't use people, can't we? Animals work just fine, it's a bit cruel but that's the only way.
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No way when we have prisons full of people we can use. The prisoners choose to be there, animals don't have that capacity.
Prisoners do not choose to be in prison. Unless all the Christians in the USSR chose to be in the Gulags.
Yes they do, they know the law, and while i am not fond of the law, a criminal knows it is breaking the law on purpose and thus choosing to risk imprisonment
Yeah, like worshiping Christ in the USSR was illegal. If you got caught with Christian memorabilia, you were imprisoned. And the Gulags forced harsh labor that caused many to die... much like the Holocaust, and much more casualties. I don't know of science experiments, though. But the Holocaust was a case of that, and ideologues went there too.
lol ok i didnt know we were talking about war prisoners, the law is inadequate
First of all, the USSR doesn't even exist anymore .
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Imprisonment is a choice when you end up there by committing a crime, such as murder, theft, drugs, etc. There is always going to be political type prisoners, but even they have a choice. Just because some one refuses to conform, doesn't mean they don't have a choice. One always has a choice.
So to you it's justified to experiment on involuntary prisoners, even if they're put their for the simplest of reasons such as being a Christian?
First off, talk about an oxymoron; involuntary prisoner. I'm betting that involuntary prisoner is also a model prisoner as well. Who pays for prisoners room and board? How they earn their keep is of no concern of mine, as long as they earn their keep.
so you DO think it would be justified to put Christians and Jews through experimentation on the basis that they're prisoners and it's their choice. gotcha.
Of course it is fair. But is it right ?
I didn't ask if it was fair, even though you have no argument to say otherwise. I pointed out how you believe it to be justified. Do you not?
Does even matter the USSR even exist anymore? Remember that mistake may happen again in the future. That's why people study history to learn from the mistakes and make sure it never happens again unless someone thinks it's a great idea and does again.
NO way! Animals are not ours to do with what we like. If there was some superior being (aliens?) among us, would it be okay for them to experiment on us? Of course not! Horrific experiments have been performed and animals and continue to be. If you knew what abounds in private labs, you would be horrified. Did you know that experimentation labs routinely get dogs from "pounds" and use them? I know of one true story about a beautiful Collie that was experimented upon. His spleen was twisted, on purpose, to see what the outcome would be. He was sewn back up (twisted spleen and all) and awakened alone and in pain. The next morning, the dog was found on the floor, in a puddle of his own blood; his sutures had torn open. He was given too much IV fluid, hence, the bursting open of his wound. Although the dog was near death, he wagged his tail in greeting to his abusers. Without emotion from the humans, the dog was promptly euthanized. This is just ONE story. There are many, many disturbing stories of animal experimentation. All are wrong. All are horrific.
Men have no natural domain over animals. We have given it to ourselves through arrogance and religion. How is it ethical to raise and hurt animals in unnatural environments? Yes, it helps human beings, but why is helping humans more important than helping animals that are endangered? They are most likely endangered because of humans destruction of the earth..It is unethical, but it is counterintuitive for the human obsessions: Convenience and Longevity. This argument is invalid to people who think that critical thinking entitles us to do whatever we want.
Yes, it is a bit frightening, but not all animal experiments are for the benefits of humans. Many times it's actually to help other animals.
help other animals? ahhahaha, yeah only help them from human's destructive influence animals have been fine for all of earth's history
All of earths history, appart from the bit we came in. ( I meant to cli8ck clarify...)
There are animal dieseases that scientists are trying to find cures. Do not be mean to others opinions if you do not like them. If you got nothing nice to say then don't say anything for you may have hurt somebody's feelings.
When dolphins or whatever species will take over for us, we wouldn't be so pro-scientific experimentation. Never forget this world is a present, which we are nothing but a part of. Respecting it, would turn ourselves into humans. We would never be called homo consumens again, as we, unfortunately, are nowadays.
Give me $150 bucks an hour and I'll try out your drugs and cuddle with your then rescued puppies and kittens, drug companies.
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