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Yes here's some: No the Bible has no gaps
Debate Score:167
Arguments:147
Total Votes:175
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Too many unanswered questions in the Bible?

Are there things in the bible that dont make sense to you?

Things that havent been explained?

Post some of the unanswered questions you have, as well as an analysis of what this might mean in reguards to how trustworthy the bible is.

And if you vote NO, try to explain why the bible is absolutely foolproof and explains everything, and try to answer the YES's questions.

Yes here's some:

Side Score: 99
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No the Bible has no gaps

Side Score: 68
2 points

Why did god have to rest after creation if he is all powerful?

Side: Yes here's some:
Srom(12201) Disputed
2 points

Well the reason is because God knows what's going to happen in the future and He probably knows that man would sin and so the 6 days of the week are meant for working and Sunday we rest because that is when God didn't add anything to Creation because He was finished.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
Facadeon(510) Disputed
3 points

... If he knows man will sin in the future, why make them that way/ judge them for how he knew he created them...

Side: Yes here's some:
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

How can infinite being became tired? .

Side: Yes here's some:
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

So god made the universe in 6 days then rested? And rested? And rested? And rested?

Sounds like mythology. Grow up.

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

It does not necessarily mean rest like what we do when we are tired. The Hebrew word, shabath, translated "rest" does not really refer to a requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. It means that God stopped and ceased to let his plans into motion.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
Mahollinder(893) Clarified
1 point

Why did god have to rest after creation if he is all powerful?

Omnipotence does not make stamina a non-issue. But, "rest" is used in a particular way, which denotes a ceasing of action.

Side: Yes here's some:
HidekiTojo(149) Disputed
1 point

Rest is a word used in many ways. For example, a ceasing.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
2 points

Why did God create the tree/fruit of knowledge of good and evil if no one was suppose to eat from it?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

Why do we send guns to Mexico if the cartels aren't supposed to use them to kill people?

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

Why do you not actually answer any questions?

Side: Yes here's some:
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Are we all knowing and all powerful? God sure is. :)

Side: Yes here's some:
HidekiTojo(149) Disputed
1 point

He gave Adam and Eve a specific tasks, that was not to eat from the fruit. He gave them both a choice to obey or disobey him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:16-17, “And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.’” If God had not given Adam and Eve the choice, they would have essentially been robots, simply doing what they were programmed to do. God created Adam and Eve to be “free” beings, able to make decisions, able to choose between good and evil. In order for Adam and Eve to truly be free, they had to have a choice.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
2 points

But he KNEW they were going to pick what they did because he's all knowing. He knew about every horrible thing he would have to do from that point on to now at that exact moment. He knew they'd eat it. He knew he'd have to cause death and sorrow, flood the world, and send people to hell.

Did he stop it? No. Why even make a tree of knowledge? There's so many questions that cannot be answered because the whole scenario is all so stupid and poorly made up. key words: Made up.

It's a made up story get over it.

Side: Yes here's some:
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

How can you make choices when you have no conscience and knowledge of good or bad? Take a kid that you have never once taught them anything bad, they have no concept that bad things exists, this includes never being hurt, never having an adverse reaction, not even a knowledge of death or to anything related. Tell this kid that you have created a tree, which if you eat from will take away your innocence and make you die, but it's your choice.

Is this fair? This kid has nothing but “good” events to compare this situation to.

Then let's include that you are all knowing and all powerful, you're the creator of all. That just makes things worse, but you have all the knowledge of the past, present and future, and all the power in existence to do anything you want, and make any rules you want.

Side: Yes here's some:

Where Black and Asians came from ?

Side: Yes here's some:

Where Black and Asians came from?

Lol thats the funny thing. The bible, torah, and Quran all say that black people have their skin color becuase they are evil. This is often overlooked. So lets add racist to the list of immoral things about the bible.

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

Give me one verse or passage that calls these people evil because of their skin color! The missionary Phillip had no problem talking to an Ethiopian and Paul traveled all over Rome to the people Jews hated most... The Bible doesn't say anywhere that a certain people is evil because of skin color! We are evil because of sin and sin alone.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
Sitara(11088) Disputed
1 point

Au contraire, ma chère. The Bible actually teaches that we are all one human race.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
1 point

Why would god create humans with useless things such as a third eyelid, Appendix and a pink toe?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

Why not? If you paint a picture of say a house you could just paint the house and leave out the paint, the windows, and the light...but you missed the art. The part that is all up your imagination it may not be needed or useful but why not?

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Art is not meant to be a productive product. Now if someone were to build an ice cream machine with parts that USED to be needed to make ice cream but are now useless in the new machine except to viciously kill the machine, that would be stupid. And that's God and vestigial organs.

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

How can god be all loving and good if he allows natural disasters and evil to happen when he has the knowledge and power to stop them?

Side: Yes here's some:
Srom(12201) Disputed
1 point

The reason why there is natural disasters and evil is because of us we put evil and sin into this world and caused all of this to happen.

Also if God got rid of evil would you and I be here today? Because if God took away everything that was evil we would be eliminated because we think evil thoughts and we have a potienal to do evil thus God would have to restart from the beginning again.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
RamyaD(20) Disputed
2 points

I think that even before humans lived there were natural disasters and who would have probabaly put evil and sin into this world and caused it to happen. The natural disasters are a result of the movement of earth and the processes taking place under the crust. Of some are totally due to global warming and consequences of our exploitation.

Side: Yes here's some:
Elvira(3447) Disputed
2 points

Wouldn't it make more sense to say that evil is there to balance good? Suffering to balance happiness? Instead of blaming ourselves...?

Side: Yes here's some:
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

Why would an all powerful have to destroy the person instead of the thoughts?

Side: Yes here's some:
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

How does evil and sin cause natural disasters?

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

How are bats birds?

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

Why did God permit Slavery?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

Well...look at Joseph. Without slavery he never would've been sent to Egypt, would never have been betrayed by his master's wife, never would of told the meaning of dreams, would've never become a man of power, and never prepared the land for famine. Thus thousands would've died!

Then its complete symbolism!!! Since the fall of man we really can't understand spiritual matters (thus all the questions) so God shows us in a way we can understand. Until you accept God's payment for you...you are a slave to sin. He allows slavery to show us just how bad that is and what that really means.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
riahlize(1573) Disputed
3 points

Should a parent allow their children to be raped in order to show how bad rape really is?

Side: Yes here's some:
HidekiTojo(149) Disputed
1 point

He did nothing, he gave them a choice to enslave or not to enslave. If he gave you nothing, you wouldnt be free.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
1 point

Why would god rape a teenager to create Jesus instead of just creating Jesus like he did Adam?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus they can prove that with science therefore God didn't rape anyone!!!

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
Gokumohan(335) Disputed
1 point

Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus they can prove that with science

Im sorry did i miss the discovery of a massive scientific feat?

Side: Yes here's some:
Sitara(11088) Disputed
1 point

Mary consented to that. :(

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
1 point

Why didn't Jesus resurrect right after he died? Why did it take him multiple days?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

He didn't resurrect right away because He had to prove to our thick heads that He was indeed dead before just appearing alive!

and because it had been prophesied that, that was the way it was going to be hundreds of years before it happened...

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Why not one day? Or a week? Or a month?Or two days? Or a year? Why was three the appropriate number of days that demonstrated he was actually dead? Why couldn't those numbers have been prophesied?

I would have been more impressed the longer he was dead, making it even more impossible to terminate his body.

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

If the animals were made for humans, why do many animals insist on not recognizing they're here for us? Why put up a fight?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

They fight back because of sin...its part of the curse. We have to work now to live not just reach out and its there like before the curse.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Then why do some animals not put up a fight? Why do some submit?And why are we and to find methods which enable us to kill an animal without having to fight it?

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

If plants survived without the sun before it was created, why did God then make plants reliable on the sun for survival after the fact?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

First God created the sun, moon and stars so you are mistaken when say plants were created before that...

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Obviously you don't know your Genesis, it's okay, it's full of contradictions anyway. I assume you're referring to God saying “Let there be light".

I'm referring to Genesis 1:11-18.

Side: Yes here's some:

Why was he bound by human ideas of time lengths (ie. Days)?

If its gods will whenever someone dies, why does he rely on natural processes to do his work (ie. cancer, bullets, ect).

Why after genesis is god suddenly incapable of poofing things into existence?

Why did he need to rest?

Why does he punish humans for doing what he knew they would do?

Where is god today, in a world where there are so many heathens?

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

Why was he bound by human ideas of time lengths (ie. Days)?

The Bible was written by humans therefore their time frame would most likely be days.

If its gods will whenever someone dies, why does he rely on natural processes to do his work (ie. cancer, bullets, ect).

God does things according to its nature. An example would be that a man cannot die of giving birth since it is impossible for him to defy the nature of the things he has created and the man has no ovaries. Another would be that God cannot create a triangle with four sides since that would already change the object into something different and would defy its existence.

Why after genesis is god suddenly incapable of poofing things into existence?

It does not necessarily say that God is not capable of doing so. The world was already complete and he acts through indirectly into things.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
1 point

The Bible was written by humans therefore their time frame would most likely be days.

Exactly. What human couldve possibly known of the creation of the universe and world as we know it as described in the bible? None. Clearly made up.

God does things according to its nature.

Says where? Where was "nature" when he poofed the whole damn universe into sudden existence? And light? And life?

An example would be that a man cannot die of giving birth since it is impossible for him to defy the nature of the things he has created and the man has no ovaries. Another would be that God cannot create a triangle with four sides since that would already change the object into something different and would defy its existence.

What i mean is, everyone always says when someone dies that it is god's will. Well if it is his will, why cant he just poof the person dead on a whim? Why does he depend on diseases and other accidents to do it for him? Why did he need a shooter and bullets to take those 26 kid's lives? Why is he so dependent on the natural processes that he created spontaneously?

It does not necessarily say that God is not capable of doing so. The world was already complete

Until we somehow fucked up and he intervened to flood the earth. Then send his son to be sacrificed. and if you ask me, id say were worse now than back then. So why isnt he interveing anymore? Where is he?

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

Why did he need to rest?

It does not necessarily mean rest like what we do when we are tired. The Hebrew word, shabath, translated "rest" does not really refer to a requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. It means that God stopped and ceased to let his plans into motion.

Why does he punish humans for doing what he knew they would do?

He has given man free will. In anyway whatsoever, depending on our choosing, he would know the results and he would then render judgement depending on the choice. Imagine you are a teacher, you know what to do and what will happen to him if a student passes the tests and fails it.

Where is god today, in a world where there are so many heathens?

The heaven meant by the Bible is a place out of reach and would only be travelled at in death. It does not necessarily pinpoint any location.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
1 point

It does not necessarily mean rest like what we do when we are tired. The Hebrew word, shabath, translated "rest" does not really refer to a requirement to sleep or take a break due to weariness. It means that God stopped and ceased to let his plans into motion.

When he knew how everything was going to pan out since the beginning? He is all knowing after all.

He has given man free will. In anyway whatsoever, depending on our choosing, he would know the results and he would then render judgement depending on the choice. Imagine you are a teacher, you know what to do and what will happen to him if a student passes the tests and fails it.

He gives us free will supposedly, but somehow can manipulate other humans when someone prays for something that gets "answered". Ans free will to get punished for eternity. Great.

The heaven meant by the Bible is a place out of reach and would only be travelled at in death. It does not necessarily pinpoint any location.

HEATHens. Not heavens. This means sinners. Non believers. Evil doers. Murderers. Theifs. ect. ALL OVER the planet. Way more than there was in 2000 bumfuck BC when he flooded the planet. What, so he doesnt care anymore?

Side: Yes here's some:
ontherange(12) Disputed
1 point

God is not bound by our time...Why do you think He could tell you what was going thousands of years afterwards + He created time.

Since when is a bullet natural? and He certainly doesn't rely on such means just remember the prophet who ascended into Heaven on a chariot of fire!

Who said He was suddenly incapable? Stars are still created, so are people, animals, plants, and other amazing things. Just because you are not looking for His creation doesn't mean it isn't there! You more examples? Jesus feeding the 5000 and turning water into wine!

I think the above items provided sufficient argument for "Why did He need to rest?"

Just because you know your little kid is going to raid the cookie jar doesn't mean they don't get in trouble when it happens.

God is everywhere...He said so Himself. Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it isn't true. Just ask Columbus who claimed the world was round in a time where everyone thought it was flat!

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

Since when is a bullet natural?

It's natural when it can be made from natural materials.

Side: Yes here's some:
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
1 point

In the bible It said god created the universe in DAYS. A time unit created by MAN. So why was he bound by it?

Who did he tell to write genesis into the bible? Who was told that information? Nobody. It was made up.

A bullet is natural because it is not supernatural. A guy pulling the trigger to fire a bullet into a person occurs naturally in our world. So do diseases and famine and everything else. So if it is gods will, doing, and plan to take any life at any time, who does he rely solely on these natural processes to do so? Why can't he just supernaturally defy physics like he did with the universe?

Ad that thing about the chariot is a story in a fairytale book. Nobody observed that. It's fake. I'm talking in the last 2000 years there are zero supernatural deaths/occurrences like those in the bible. Why did god all of a sudden stop doing things after the bible was published?

Stars are created naturally. Through natural processes we can EXPLAIN. Not by god. Same with everything else you said.

And anything you state from the bible is false. That is impossible and untrue and circular reasoning. The bible is a story book, not scientific proof.

No that doesn't satisfy why did he need to rest. He's all powerful. And he needed a nap? Bullshit.

That cookie jar thing made no sense to me.

And as far as Christopher Columbus 1) he wasn't the first to come up with the idea and 2) HE WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT. As in, the earth is ACTUALLY round and we can now actually physically SEE that to prove it. The people who were skeptics were right to be so because they had no proof! But we should automatically believe I god? No! We should be like the people who disbelieved Columbus and disbelieve I god until we have proof to change our minds. That's how logic and reason work.

Side: Yes here's some:
Sitara(11088) Disputed
1 point

Actually, that theory originated with Pythagoras, but did not gain hold until Galileo.

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

How can God be perfectly good when evil exists? Everything exists because of God, right?

Side: Yes here's some:
1 point

Evil is the absence of good. Therefore God did not create evil, man created evil since man refused to accept the goodness of God.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
1 point

God created everything (hypothetically). Evil exists. Therefore god created evil.

OR

God is omnipotent so he KNEW far before he created man that man would create evil and did nothing to prevent it.

Side: Yes here's some:

Oh my this is perfect. Okay.

1) What about the other planets? I never remember reading about Saturn or Mars or even Neptune. Just the Sun and Earth. Like who created those?

2) Why are humans evil if he wanted perfection? Never understood that.

3) Why don't you stop cruel things like rape, murder, etc.

4) If you knew Adam and Even would screw us over why didn't you just make more humans or start time back over? Do something then just let us "sin" or whatever.

5) If we are of his image then why am I not perfect or at least like close to absolute good?

6) Why do nice people who never do wrong and just never had the opportunity to know god go straight to hell?

7) Why don't you split the sea or cause a plague upon America to show us that you exist?

8) If you exist then why does the big bang theory just make more sense? It is a theory. That's sad. Gravity makes more sense.

9) Why does the bible refer to earth as being 6000......well I guess 6013 years old? Like every bit of science proves other wise.

10) I am gonna stop before I get struck by lightning or something.

Side: Yes here's some:
2 points

This debate is very weighted. Even believers of the Bible have questions. To say that Bible tells us everything we need to know is absolutely silly. Many people will spends month pondering a phrase the appeals to them.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
1 point

Those who are unsatisfied with the information provided by the Bible are generally looking to it for the wrong sort of answers. It's not intended to be a scientific text; it's a book of mythology. And that isn't to say everything in it is explicitly false, but that it's meant to have more symbolic resonance than chemistry class utility. Christians who subscribe to the extreme Biblical literalism espoused by absolutely everybody on the opposing side of this debate so far are few and far between, and the r/atheism denizens as well as the born-agains are disregarding the corpus of Christian theology and clerical understanding of scripture when they treat God like a genie or Santa Claus.

Side: No the Bible has no gaps
Sitara(11088) Disputed
0 points

I treat God more like a child abuser. After the things He has done to me, He deserves it.

Side: Yes here's some: