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Your science should have an answer. A tangible duplicatable answer. Its science.
Dont start with a living thing. Thats starting after the fact.
In the beginning, how was it formed without destroying itself. And how did it progress and how did nature balance while the process continued and how did the first animals present themselves.
So far all I have is a story of living things after living things existed. No one explained anything other than we have a dna for eyes so some creatures got eyes.
That doesnt answer my question.
I think you cant answer. And, You dont actually know. Lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. 😅😂😅🙃😄😅😂
So far, not one evolution advocate on this site has proven evolution has validity at its foundation.
Are you willing to explain the steps of the beginning?
I was looking for something more concrete.
If evolution explain the beginning.
If you think something different then please explain your view or "facts" of the beginning of life.
I am looking for your facts of origin of life.
With all the biology i want to know the beginning of life from your view.I dont need an argument against God. I need a firm reason to think evolution has a valid logical possible beginning.
Please enrich us with profound beginning of the all powerful intelligent process of evolution. The foundation of life and the process from the beginning.Im not looking for could have. Im looking for someething sure.
Evolution seems sure. Yet they cant explain the basic beginning, the foundation.
Please be clear. Is evolution faith or fact. A logical and biologocally possible beginning will tell us that. I want to know the beginning process of life. So explain the foundation. In the beginning .... then life ...
How did it form? How did it sheild itself to continue. And how did the first formed animals begin? And also how nature was banced in the process.
Please no links. Give me the technical basics of the beginning of life and the delicate balancing of it as evolution continued.
Im speaking of life. Living things! So you can start with whatever you think happened, but I am looking for the process of llife from the beginning!
Why do we have to be able to explain the beginning of life? There is evidence for evolution despite the fact that we do not know how life started. I don't believe Darwin even attempted to answer the question of how life first started but that doesn't make his work wrong.
Correct, I don't have an answer for abiogenesis. But that doesn't invalidate evolution. At all. I don't have evidence of anything that invalidates evolution.
Evolution didnt happen as I have already proven that God exists. So therefore the "theory" you consider as fact is no more than self worship religion using science to spread their viral religion!
And I understand that observable adaptation is fact.
The part that is not fact is 10000, or 1000, or 100 adaptations occurred to form the animal or human we see.
So work it backwards. You should actually be able to work it backwards and see the slight adaptation descending in time.
So why does evilution work from where they can see less and then move forward from there.
And they should be able to do that with 100% of living things in existence today. So chop chop hurry up science needs to get busy!!
So whats the progress from human? What was the slight environmental physical change to us.
We got taller. Idk, anything else? What else?
And if this was a constant process, then was there a finished button or can you show me 100% of adaptations that are cosidered evolution adaptations for every 1000 years of the lion, the sheep, camel, donkey, dove, eagle, etc?
Each should have several adaptations each going backwards!
Adaptations are subtle. For the theory of evolution to be true, it would have to make adaptations in jumps.
The more complex the greater diversity is needed to overcome entropy. So the more things needing order like a cluttered room, compared to an uncluttered room.
Its easier to organize something when there os less clutter to draw from, the more disorderly, the more difficult to put in into order.
We have the anthropic principle, there are 50, 100, maybe more of things that have such a slim margin of error, it would be absolutely impossible for disorder to fall in each's very slim margin needed for function and sustaining any life at all!
Big things! So unless you can roll the dice today all day for 24 hours, every minute, and if you can't hit snake eyes 90% of the time even 80%, (with regular dice!) Then evolution is false science. And you may want to look for another answer to the origin of life.
Its easier to organize something when there os less clutter to draw from, the more disorderly, the more difficult to put in into order.
This only means that you need to keep things in order while you add diversity. If you keep a room orderly you can add new items without screwing everything up.
Feel free to answer anyone, and any scientists would be great.
Shouldn't we easily see many many adaptable changes following the process backwards in all these animals, they have only adapted slightly over 6000 years.
Humans have a variety of characteristics compared to each other. Is there any animal species that have such a variety?
Every lion I see at the zoo looks like the same lion. Every polar bear looks like the same polar bear. But humans are nothing but variety!
Other than some resemblances, like shape of face or color of eyes or hair, and the frequent long lost twin that happens to really look like someone we know, we all look as different from each other as our names and personalities.
Take our shape of face. How many different shaped faces do we have in humans. What other species in all the animal kingdom has such a variety in the shape of their faces?
So if evolution exists, where are the other species that have such unique characteristics from each other?
I don't mean like a dove compared to an eagle.
I mean like twenty doves, do they each look as different from each other as twenty random people look like each other?
Shouldn't we see like evidence every 1000 years or so in line upon line progress to more accumulative significant change we can idenrify each at similar rates from all those adaptations and mutations?
I understand that biology is fact.
And I understand that observable adaptation is fact.
The part that is not fact is 10000, or 1000, or 100 adaptations occurred to form the animal or human we see.
So work it backwards. You should actually be able to work it backwards and see the slight adaptation descending in time.
So why does evilution work from where they can see less and have to rely on guessing and imagination while moving forward from the least observable?
Scientists should be able to do that with 100% of living things in existence today.
So chop chop hurry up, science needs to get busy!! We need evidence of the nothing god of evolution.
So whats the progress then backward from todays human? What was the slight environmental physical changes can be observed?
I know many got taller, except me. But idk, is there anything else? If so what else?
And if this was a constant process, then was there a finished button or can you show me 100% of adaptations that are cosidered evolution adaptations for every 1000 years of the lion, the sheep, camel, donkey, dove, eagle, etc?
Each should have several adaptations each going backwards!
Adaptations are subtle. For the theory of evolution to be true, it would have to make adaptations in jumps.
When you first joined this site, you believed in evolution. Why did you decide to change your character? It was a feature that differentiated you from the other trolls.
I dont doubt that Satan manipulated living things. We also dont know how long Adam was in the garden.
We do know that Satan and the fallen angels did cross seed and caused beastly results.
I do think that adaptations occur but they are not what evolution is said to be. Adaptation is the convenient argument in defense of failed science.
I never believed creatures hatched different creatures. Except for mutations of Satan. He is a shapeshifting serpent. He transforms mutates and even can appear as an angel of light.
So I decided the argument was in the definition. And when you clearly define it, then everyone backs off the origin they insist is out of nothing. After all, no one wants to look that foolish.
Yes I do think the theology of evolution comes from Satan. And Satan does take forms and shapes.
The fossil record is likely more related to the Great Flood there is described earth breaking up and shifting. There was death and intense elements of nature. And there are also submerged cities under the ocean.
Feel free to answer anyone, and any scientists would be great.
Shouldn't we easily see many many adaptable changes following the process backwards in all these animals, they have only adapted slightly over 6000 years.
Humans have a variety of characteristics compared to each other. Is there any animal species that have such a variety?
Every lion I see at the zoo looks like the same lion. Every polar bear looks like the same polar bear. But humans are nothing but variety!
Other than some resemblances, like shape of face or color of eyes or hair, and the frequent long lost twin that happens to really look like someone we know, we all look as different from each other as our names and personalities.
Take our shape of face. How many different shaped faces do we have in humans. What other species in all the animal kingdom has such a variety in the shape of their faces?
So if evolution exists, where are the other species that have such unique characteristics from each other?
I don't mean like a dove compared to an eagle.
I mean like twenty doves, do they each look as different from each other as twenty random people look like each other?
Shouldn't we see like evidence every 1000 years or so in line upon line progress to more accumulative significant change we can idenrify each at similar rates from all those adaptations and mutations?
I understand that biology is fact.
And I understand that observable adaptation is fact.
The part that is not fact is 10000, or 1000, or 100 adaptations occurred to form the animal or human we see.
So work it backwards. You should actually be able to work it backwards and see the slight adaptation descending in time.
So why does evilution work from where they can see less and have to rely on guessing and imagination while moving forward from the least observable?
Scientists should be able to do that with 100% of living things in existence today.
So chop chop hurry up, science needs to get busy!! We need evidence of the nothing god of evolution.
So whats the progress then backward from todays human? What was the slight environmental physical changes can be observed?
I know many got taller, except me. But idk, is there anything else? If so what else?
And if this was a constant process, then was there a finished button or can you show me 100% of adaptations that are cosidered evolution adaptations for every 1000 years of the lion, the sheep, camel, donkey, dove, eagle, etc?
Each should have several adaptations each going backwards!
Adaptations are subtle. For the theory of evolution to be true, it would have to make adaptations in jumps.
Humans have a variety of characteristics compared to each other. Is there any animal species that have such a variety?
Dog.
So why does evilution work from where they can see less and have to rely on guessing and imagination while moving forward from the least observable?
We have found millions upon millions of fossils. So you can understand what they are, these are like someone taking photos throughout time. We can see, for example, one animal 1 million years ago that looks like another animal 1 million years before that that looks like an animal 1 million years before that. This is the case with hundreds of species now. The most rational explanation is that one animal evolved to the other. The only other explanation would be tha tone animal died out and the animal 1 million years later, that looks very similar to it, POP! somehow came into existence. What there is absolutely 0 indication for is that all animals popped into existence at the same time.
Parrots, without human intervention are an obvious example of wide variation within a species. If a species varies so much then we classify various subspecies.
Also, the fact that humans can do it by merely selected the puppies with desirable qualities to breed would lead to the hypothesis that animals that are more adapted would also reproduce more than those that aren't thus changing the characteristics of the species to form differentiated breed. It is then not such a leap to see how this could happen to differentiate species. Of course with the overwhelming evidence we have for evolution it is much more than a mere hypothesis from the fact that humans have breed domestics dog breeds.
This is all aside from the fact that just because you can appreciate the difference between humans but not animals doesn't mean that there is any less variation. It is quite common for westerners to say that all Chinese people look alike. This is because they havent spent much time with Chinese people and haven't got the experience to differentiate them. Similarly, I imagine if you spent a lot of time with Chimpanzees you'd be in a much better position to comment on variations between individuals.
I think the bittom line to this exercise is, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then its a duck.
God almost painstakengly distinguished "after its kind" This is a word specifically spoken to this generation. Commanding for all to know, He created each after its OWN kind!
Do not be decieved! He wants us to be alert and to weigh the evidence. Cup the water you drink in your own hand, and bring it to your own lips to drink. Dont just open your mouth and drink in the flood!
And its not a natural act, its an act of interference from an outside source, humans, little gods!
The fact that the variety exists only in humans in the balance of undisturbed nature, actually disproves an evolving creation by way of creation theory evolution, and proves immediate Creation in a day by God.
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Q. Does bird mating ever cross the species line?
"A. “Many birds occasionally mate with members of other bird species, producing hybrid offspring,” said Irby J. Lovette, director of the Fuller Evolutionary Biology Program at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.
In fact, Dr. Lovette said, about 10 percent of the world’s 10,000 bird species are known to have bred with another species at least once, either in the wild or in captivity. For example, in the eastern United States, native black ducks have hybridized so often with the more abundant mallard ducks that pure black ducks have become rare."
So what you are saying is that your hypothesis that only humans have variation is in fact unfalsifiable? If I find variation to the extent you are satisfied with then you will just saying that they should be labelled different species. This is pointless then isnt it. Anyway, it was all pointless from the start because, as I said, it is just your perception that there is a bigger variation in humans than there is in other animals.
Sure. To the degree of the variety of us, who mate naturally with each other, any formed creature living today as we can observe "with breath in it." In oxygen out carbon monoxide.
Its an extreme example to go from no wings to a human having wings and flying. But the concept remains.
But even so how many licks of a lollipop till you get to the middle. Well a few then you give up and bite it.
Nature doesnt jump. And each structure would have a similar pattern of continual growth. And it would be balanced growth in order to prodece a balance in nature.
One species jumping and another crawling isnt balance.
Yet because of this purposed design of inbalance creature to creature, we have balance where there really isnt balance.
He chooses 3 and 1 also. And applies measurements.
And many numbers.
God spoke everthing into existence, including our time days years and everything in it. Appointed even to be born and fie. He didnt program my lunch today. Thats kind of like a word document we write in ourselves.
His word is actually digitally designed. Like a computer program. Example, Like He painstakenly gave feasts and calanders and connected them by creating a present to explain a future event in our timeline.
God is outside of our space and time. He sees all at once.
So then He programmed all of our time in every letter story and word. And evertthing is triggered in the program by every letter and dot.
When its reprodced in part to go to another part, it works exactly like our DNA.
The Word is Jesus. The written copy is a letter dictated for us to find Him in everything through understanding His Word.
The Word was spoken and then He rested. He watches over it to perfom it and to keep guard for His own.
If one is dead and God knows that one will not choose life, He lets the sun rise on the wicked, their lives he watches too. He watches over the evil and the good.
But the bread is the childrens bread. If you are His you will hear Him. Because you will open yor eyes to look.
God speaks of countenace. To cain He said, why has your countenance fallen. To the disciples He say to look up.
Countenance falling is looking were you are headed. He even made it a natural thing. If we focus on the rock our way follows our eyes.
If your eye is light, your body is filled wilth light. If your eye is dark, your body is filled with darkness.
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Where your heart is, there is were your treasure will be.
Yo cant take your lifes riches and loves with you.
But you can if your treasure is kingdom's treasure.
Like family friends good deeds. Things that dont rust or decay.
Inaccurate by how much? Even if the exact dates are slightly wrong we still have the sequence that shows that animal a and b were before animal c, d, and e and if each animals looks like it has evolved from the previous animals then it strongly suggests thats what in fact happened.
Well when they used meauring ice from the small iceage, dating went from 100,000s years diference meauring a portion dating timeline of formation to only 5 years.
When measuring temperture change, they assumed no temperture change.
The new method of dating found time periods with significant temperture change. Like something cataclismic heated the earth intensely.
Also in Genesis, how the 1st verse is written says He created Heaven and earth. And the earth became void, and unformed.
So there may have been something. I dont know yet.
At the rate He is showing things He might show me today. My mind would be blown, but I wouldnt be surprised, Id actually expect it.
I noticed He unfolds things. Like in layers.
Revelation of Jesus and being born again was almost immediate understanding. Somethinhs He reveals is like a river, other things He reveals by the cup of water in our hands, sometimes in streams or even in drops.
I actually dont know what their religious status is.
The go over measurements of findings.
Glaciers show intense heat from study of ice cores
The layers are measured like in trees.
I look at everthing and say the answer is there.
Everything is explained. So I look at the Bible and look for it in nature. And mind blown often these days.
Properties of light is woe! Down to the particle splitting in particle accelerator.
Jesus says He is like a grain of weat falls to the ground and dies it bears much fruit.
That was His example, because they understood it.
But the prophets John the deciples and Jews and Christians understood. What science has defined in the natural is actually how the Bible says it is!
But Him coming to earth and dieing wss like light splitting apart everything about light is a natural showing of the spiritual.
Even the waves and frequencies
And He natural is accurate showing the spiritual. All of nature tells of Him from our DNA to the properties of light etc ...
If a single photon can demonstrate double-slit interference, then which slit did it pass through? The unavoidable answer must be that it passes through both! This might not seem so strange if we think of the photon as a wave, but it is highly counterintuitive if we try to visualize it as a particle. The moral is that we should not think in terms of the path of a photon. Like the fully human and fully divine Jesus of Christian theology, a photon is supposed to be 100% wave and 100% particle. If a photon had a well defined path, then it would not demonstrate wave superposition and interference effects, contradicting its wave nature. (In the next chapter we will discuss the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which gives a numerical way of approaching this issue.)
Deception is from Satan. And evolution is deception.
Jesus said if the last days were not cut short, the deception is so thick, even the elect could be decieved. So He is cutting it short for the sake of the elect.
Jesus says of His return, truth will be so covered by deceptions, He comments, will He find faith on the earth?
Jesus prophesied atheism and the spirit of this last age.
all of this cross-seed and shape shifting stuff is much more likely to be an orchestrated deception from Hell rather than what you report as factual and known personally by yourself and those who think they know the same thing. You do not know the things you claim to know here, and those who say they know the things you say you know do not know.
People give way too much attention to this needless stuff. When people are obsessing over this stuff and giving it a large percentage of their time and efforts in contrast to the Bible which gives only a few sentences upon which are built these obsessive doctrines of demons, something is wrong and I don't believe the fault lies in God's word. This stuff is not worth the attention you are trying to bring to it. It's all compromising with occult teachings, the same as believing in any form of evolution contradicting the six literal days of creation is a compromise with ungodly scientists. In doing these things, you are adding all kinds of stuff to God's word and are neglecting the gospel which is the entire focus of God's word from Genesis to Revelation.
There is virtually nothing in the Bible on this subject IF the few words commonly cited are even related to spiritual beings cross breeding with animals or people. Because the Bible gives the subject such little if any attention, we should give it virtually no attention. There is no need to believe in any of that stuff, and when people run with it they make all kinds of adaptations for the story all contradicting the historical account of Genesis.
There is much more reason to believe this "contaminated seed" stuff and all the teachings (which go along with, paralleling occult encyclopedias much more than keeping in line with Biblical Christianity) commonly included is an orchestrated deception inspired by evil. You do not need any of this stuff to explain all of history, everything in the world and all of the problems of man, the character of God, His prophecies........it's like evolution, you don't need it to explain things. All we need is the Bible and when the Bible says so little that can be used to support this stuff which people write all kinds of books about trying to explain things like lost civilizations and "aliens". I fear God and it is much better to hold with the word of God which gives no more then two or three sentences which are used for this stuff and those sentences would contradict other things in the Bible when applied to this crossbred teaching......I'll answer to God much easier knowing I stuck to His word. No harm done if I am wrong. If you are wrong, you have encouraged people who believe basically the same things you are teaching but hold them as occult teachings and base their ungodliness on them. You really don't know what you are talking about, and people who claim to know do not know.
Again, I studied this stuff extensively and for a while I believed it all pretty much the same as you do now.....but it does not fit with the plain simple narrative of the Bible. You have to assume everything is coded and hidden in the Bible to fit this stuff in. The Bible is not coded and hidden, it's God's revealed word and does not contain secrets about the past and does not code things so we can get new revelations. Everything God wants is to see is there in plain view, and it's mostly prophetic material which can be difficult to understand and that is because the prophets wrote of what they were shown for the future unlike what they had actually seen in the present or had in records passed down through generations.
Our focus is to be on Jesus only, losing our lives for His sake and for the gospel. The stuff you are pushing is not the gospel, it's a distraction. Why do you think Jesus never mentioned any of this stuff? Who are you trying to imitate? Jesus of teachers of ancient occult ideas?
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.
32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
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Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
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Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
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Deuteronomy 2:11
Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.
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Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
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Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
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Deuteronomy 3:13
And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
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Joshua 12:4
And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
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Joshua 13:12
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.
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Joshua 15:8
And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
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Joshua 17:15
And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
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Joshua 18:16
And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.*
The Bible self defines itself. And confirms itself by confirming facts by 2 or 3 witnesses.
So, an interpretation should be interpreted by itself. And the Bible is the truth of the reality so to speak.
So, the Bible is self defining. And all the events around us are interpreted by it! By it, the Word of God.
So you need to be more like Gideons 300 when drinking the water. Be alert with the Word in your hand and be ready to interpret all things by it!
He literally made the worlds by it. He litterally appointed our times by it. Our names are even in it somewhere. Because without it, NOTHING came into being.
He spoke His Word and then it was finished!
We have a copy of that Word in our hands, and the Spirit of truth drops the scales from our eyes, and we see men like trees walking about!
Even if a word or two was messed with in our manuscript. The Spirit leads us, these things are unclear to those who cant hear or see!
But the Spirit seals the elect from the flood of darkness and deception that has been poured out on this generation. This is TODAY'S "Spirit of the Age!"
Will He find faith on the earth? Jesus made this statement referencing particularly this final generation. Dense, like an unreasoning mind has been given to them.
We have to bind the strongman, which is the Spirit of this Age. The time is short!
Our warfare over darkened minds is with the Spirit of the Age ... deluded their minds.
Truth has been lieing dead in the streets.
God is breathing life into it and now its standing as a witness against them, and will begin to lead many to righteousness.
Then the witnesses will lie dead for 1260 days....
We have to lift up truth in the streets right now against the flood of deceptions. We need to expose the lies. Which God is doing by opening the Book like a scroll, and revealing mysteries from the beginning!
Every jot and tittle is everything ever ibserved from the beginning to the end. And eternal life is beyond this heaven and earth. This one will be done away with, as His Kingdom comes, and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven!!!!
And He recently showed me how, in a dim light way.
We walk following Him, and God illumates our path as we follow.
A false prophet isnt really in the interpreting of scripture of prophesy. We study in hunger, and God fills us.
The foundation is Him, if you build on Him the foundation, He builds His church on that rock. He is the rock of our salvation.
Know Him, and He will show you great things.
Its in knowing when light is shining and following after understanding, not chasing knowledge.
God answers the unknown questions, in His time.
He said the Spirit will LEAD us into all truth.
He came into darkness to lead us from out of darkness out to light. Revelation is both line upon line, but it also connects like a ball of yarn. When you unroll it its all one very long string.
Leading us into Truth is progressive brightening light to light. Not at our pace, but at His pace as He leads. Thats why you have to drink the water out of your own hand.
The simplicity of the Gospel is the seed of new life He plants in us, and that is Jesus through the cross. As new born babes we drink milk thats a given, or we die from starvation. But there is meat also, and thats when He shows us even more.
We prophesy in part but then we will fully know.
The first step is break up the hard ground and take in His seed. Then He waters it to grow.
If we follow to slow we can get lost, and if we run ahead we can get lost. His rod and His staff lead us like a shepherd with his sheep.
Prophesy us not a crystal ball, it is prewritten and spoken intobexistence, and God raised up men to dictate what had been already spoken, and His Spirit reveals all things atvthe appointed time to be revealed.
Somethings, actually many things He is revealing today are todays manna. And He is pouring it out in double portions.
Each day has its own manna, on the 6th day its double portions.
What about fossil evidence? Also, why do you believe in god when there is no evidence for him. You can believe in something that there is no evidence for but you can't believe in something that there is heaps of evidence for. Makes no sense. And by your logic you shouldn't be believing in God because there is no explanation as to how he started. Stop turning a blind eye to everything.
Fossil dating is speculative. And because of the flood their archeological layers noted by time periods that are likely the result of the Great Flood not a time period. There are also cities found under water. So maybe everything is just as the Bible said.
Yeah! I particularly like the part in the Bible where Noah gets off the ark and delivers all the animals to different places in the Earth.. kangaroos to Australia.. A shit load of strange creatures to Madagascar and other islands with unique species.
Sorry! Wasn't thinking when I said there was no evidence for religion! What you say about the flood is an interesting argument but I don't think I'll buy it. But I do believe everything the Bible says is right. I just think that the 6 days of creation are symbolic for long periods of time.
Why do you believe in god when there is no evidence for him. You can believe in something that there is no evidence for but you can't believe in something that there is heaps of evidence for. Makes no sense. And by your logic you shouldn't be believing in God because there is no explanation as to how he started. Stop turning a blind eye to everything.
ossil evidence is evidence that an animal died. There is no evidence that animal even produced offspring let alone proving evolution., apart from the rare fossils found with their eggs or offspring......but that only proves the eggs and offspring died. Fossils do not prove evolution, to say they are evidence of evolution you have to believe in evolution...it's circular reasoning, begging the question, a logical fallacy.
to say they are evidence of evolution you have to believe in evolution
You are making the claim that nothing can be evidence for anything because you would have to believe in the thing first in order to claim there is evidence for it. That is clearly wrong. When you are doing a murder investigation you look for evidence. Once you figure out what the evidence says they figure out the story. You are coming in after the story was figured out and claiming that they had the story first. You are wrong.
That's dumb, fartman. The sun shining gives evidence that it is hot. You can believe it or not. Evolution does not give evidence of anything, it's a belief that resides in the minds of metaphysical believers in a religious myth.
You can't ignore all the evidence and say it isn't there. According to you you would have to believe the sun is shining before you can gather evidence that it is hot. That's dumb.
It's only evidence of evolution if you believe in evolution to start with......then you are believing in things which you have no evidence for in gaps of millions of years.
The reason you believe this is because you do not want to believe God rules over you and that your immoralities are inexcusable. You are led by the lusts of your twisted mind in evil against God and you love darkness because you want to be excused of your evils in death, you love death because you think it exonerates you while you feel it shows God is uncaring.....it's your twisted heart going against your own life when God is offering you mercy based on the fact that He paid your price in death so you can be relieved of the penalty attached to your sins which is the fire of Hell forever as there is no other place for sinners to be kept......and you are being kept, Cartman, in eternal life through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, or eternal dying in damnation of Hell fire. Go ahead and try to prove me wrong.....it seems you think you are doing it already, God loves you and lets you do it so who am I to tell you to stop? How long will you do it?
The reason you believe this is because you do not want to believe God rules over you and that your immoralities are inexcusable.
False. Untrue. Completely wrong. It is the religious community that says God has nothing to do with evolution, not the scientific crowd.
You are led by the lusts of your twisted mind in evil against God and you love darkness because you want to be excused of your evils in death, you love death because you think it exonerates you while you feel it shows God is uncaring.....it's your twisted heart going against your own life when God is offering you mercy based on the fact that He paid your price in death so you can be relieved of the penalty attached to your sins which is the fire of Hell forever as there is no other place for sinners to be kept......and you are being kept, Cartman, in eternal life through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, or eternal dying in damnation of Hell fire
You are describing Christianity, not evolution.
Go ahead and try to prove me wrong
Again. You forgot the word "again".
it seems you think you are doing it already
You do too.
God loves you and lets you do it so who am I to tell you to stop?
I don't know who you are, but you think you are God.
How long will you do it?
How long do you plan on ignoring the words you speak?
A murder crime scene may contain evidence of an event which happened recently. If you find the bones of a dinosaur with teeth of another dinosaur buried in it's skull, it was probably killed by the dino which is missing some teeth. That's as far as your murder crime scene analogy goes. If you believe a dinosaur morphed into birds, you don't have evidence to support that belief. You start by believing it and insist everything proves it. That is not comparable to criminal investigation which requires hard evidence for proof. There are gaps of millions and billions of years in your story with NOTHING to fill those gaps except your beliefs.
Nothing about evolution is factual. Natural selection, variations, and observable facts are not evolution. You have been lied to and bought into it by selling your soul to a false god believing it will keep you out of Hell's eternal condemnation. Wake up, Cartman, before it's too late. Anybody who tells you that evolution is real is not your friend.
You believe everything about evolution is true. How can you claim none if it is factual? You believe in natural selection being factual, right? You believe in variation being factual, right?
Natural selection can be observed and studied. The strongest monkey rules the group, and the strongest group rules the forest. You cannot observe monkeys morphing into cows or people or bats or anything your god, evolution, telepathically puts in your mind that it says happens, making you say "it happens over millions of years where we really don't know what happened because we were not there and nobody else was there during those millions of years in between what we believe are skeletons of "transitional" animals, and all animals really are transitional because evolution makes them transform in those billions of years we only imagine but cannot show in repeatable tests...... and thousands of generations, and even though we have these huge gaps of millions of years, we know it's true and it happened and it's like a crime scene, we can prove it in a court of law because the judge will believe us when we say the millions of year gaps where there is no evidence prove that no fossils were formed in that time so we have to believe evolution caused it all to be make believe and you better believe it of your're fired in Hell.
Cant you see it's a lie? It's designed to make you think your immoralities are excused in death so your teachers think they can keep their evils in the closet hidden away from God and then get off the hook in death and get away with their immoralities.....it's evil, conditioning people to think they are nothing but animals of no real value so whoever rules the world is the evolving one. Nobody gets off the hook, I'm still in this body of death even though I know my sins are forgiven. I still have to suffer in this world. You ask if I'm happy? Not always to be honest, but I do become overwhelmed with joy and literally jump up and down shouting thank you and glory to God in the highest for creating me and dying for me to save me, paying for my immoralities to buy me back from their penalty so I can be pardoned by the judge as my debt is paid and I am set free from Hell. Most every day in my prayer times I"m overwhelmed with joy, so full of happiness and excitement knowing the promises of God and what's ahead for me.....the sufferings of this present world are nothing compared to the glory ahead as God glorifies Himself by giving life and life is eternal and He gave it to me by making Himself the sacrifice in my place so I can be forgiven based on His finished work. I know He is God, I know he stands at the door knocking and will come in to all who hear His voice and open the door and invite Him in to give them life, a banquet unending and well spring of living waters springing up to eternal life. God wants you to live forever, Carman, with no more pain, no more sickness, no more dying, no tears, no regrets, no more losing, no lies, no crimes......nothing but good things for life far beyond what we can imagine paradise to be......I"m thankful, very thankful to God and I'll shout his praise as I leap for joy.
What did you observe in the millions of years between your "transitional" species? Tell me what you observed in those periods, and I'll tell you what observed means. To you, it probably means the same thing as "believe", but I'll let you explain.
There is no such thing as "evolution" in the Darwinian "tree of life" fashion. It's nothing but fairy tales for fairies to pretend that sex with other fairies is justifiable.
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God is a person, He is not a religion, He is reality and you can know Him personally. You cannot reach Him through religion, you can't get to Heaven by religion, you can't keep yourself out of Hell by religion.
Religion is self-justification based on what you do or say, believing you have or can earn the right to not be dying in the fire of Hell forever.
Reality is what God does for you. He gives you reality, He made you real. If you believe in evolution, you are being religious.
If one of the monk's that transcribed the Bible put in a line saying "no rocks are hard" or, in your version of the Bible "thouest minerals art neigh so substantial", then you would be sat there arguing that to be a fact.
Wheres that monkey of yours? Where don't you go over to the corner and give it a tug eh? Thats about the only thing you're good :)
I wanted to follow up w some statements about ou discussion yesterday.
Fyi saintnow may argue some points.
Im not sure of his beyond fundamental experience I dont cut him off as a heretic, but occassionally I feel like he is asking me "why i deserve to exist outside of hell." Lol, kidding, but he does get on my case.
Some of the things are contoversial. Milk and foundation is the Gospel. Without that you are dead and die. I agree w him on that. I just wanted to warn you before my statements.
And fyi I dont judge hm for it, but he doesnt share my enthusiasm on revelation. Milk is primary important. Its our foundation. But he gives me a hard time about everything else.
Especially gap theory.
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Glaciers show intense heat from study of ice coresThe layers are measured like they measure ages of trees.
I think its interesting there was a cataclysmic event of intense heat.
And a possible earlier civilization.
Which we had lying around strange things we couldn't explain by any means.
The verse in Gen 1: 1 the word "was"
actually means "became"
"became formless and void"
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
Another scripture says He made the worlds (plural)
And another talks about the king of tyre falling from the garden and describes a cataclysmic event.
As if Satan was in rule of creation, and destroyed it.
Also when Noah speaks of Nephilim,
He calls them men of old renown.
I dont think He would have called them men of old from Adam. Because his grandfather was still alive until before the flood.
So I think there is something we did not see before, or ignored before.
There is becoming more indication of it.
So 15000 years ago we had a 5 year period that was an intense heat.
And we see signs of an advanced society within these stone structures.
Even intricate gold art, smaaler than we can do in modern day. So intricate would require our most advanced tools, even then, we would have a hard time with it.
There are mysteries spoken of that wont be revealed until the last times.
He seems to be revealing a lot in these times. And these are things I started seeing also.
And it seems like many Christians also began discussing similar passages and questioning things we hadn't before.
There is an appointed time for all things. Even an appointed time for revealing some things.
The above I discussed is called "gap theory."
Daniel says knowledge will increase and so will understanding.
So as science particularly physics has defined properties of light and microcosm and dimensions of reality, we also have more tools to study the Bible and search it out with technology and also not only spiritually understand the properties of light, but also apply them to mind blowing proportions!
All I got to say is wow!
The Bible is so strange in that we have wrapped our spiritual mind around physics without knowing physics. Now that we know physics we are defining what we have already said as if spiritual metaphors. That turn out to not be just metaphors.Here is one on a small scale. But if I heard it 20 years ago my mind would have been blown with just that. (But we didnt have google those days, and I wasnt one to study a science book. But at a click I can.
So then when you take light further into the properties of light, its hard to contain.
The concept of a photon's path is undefined.
We have known spiritual precept is found in the natural as like as like it happened spiritually then manifests in the natural.
But it add new meaning to the scripture that says "ALL of creation tells of Him."
Taken from a science textbook:
If a single photon can demonstrate double-slit interference, then which slit did it pass through? The unavoidable answer must be that it passes through both! This might not seem so strange if we think of the photon as a wave, but it is highly counterintuitive if we try to visualize it as a particle. The moral is that we should not think in terms of the path of a photon. Like the fully human and fully divine Jesus of Christian theology, a photon is supposed to be 100% wave and 100% particle. If a photon had a well defined path, then it would not demonstrate wave superposition and interference effects, contradicting its wave nature. (In the next chapter we will discuss the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which gives a numerical way of approaching this issue.)
When yo take that farther into slitting the particle of light. That is what Jesus did on the cross.
And combine that with some throne room type scriptures. Its like string theory coming out and returning to his throne room.
Everthing connected to Him
Made by Him held together by Him
And ultimately ended by Him.I had wonderful revelation of the cross and His work on it. And the work of it. Not just the cleansing of it and a nice metaphor.
As soon as I became born again I understood this like a burst of light connecting like all these things and understanding in an instant like the light just went on, out "of know where."
Whenever Jesus asked His disciples questions like who do they say He is, and they answered w understanding, His response was blessed are your eyes because they see ... Father "revealed it ...
Its only by revelation of Him in understanding that brings us to be turn from darkness to be born again, and He does that part too.
So even if our mind wraps around it all, understanding is within, and thats a work He does.
He reveals, cleanses, renews, and makes is a " new creation" In His image.
